Any males who don't want ANY muscle definition on your body

I don't really care about it. I'm not going for very defined muscles like with that low body fat look, I know I'll never get there without years of work and I'm just not willing to put the effort in. I'd rather just be healthy. I'm not saying I actively DON'T want any definition, I'm just apathetic.

My fitness goals are non-estetic, save for two: I don't really want to be jiggly anymore. I mean some loose skin is fine but I'm still pudgy all over and I don't want that anymore. I also don't want my stomach to stick out further than the rest of my body. This one will be hard as my father was a pirate, you see, and he left me with a sunken chest :P so this will take much longer to change, if it ever does.

My main fitness goal is to be able to do a pull up, which is why I'm trying to lose another 10-15 pounds before I start trying to slowly gain muscle back.

Also, please state the reason why you don't want any muscle definition.

What about you? Do you want or not want this? Why or why not? Seems strange to post about a topic and ask for reasons without offering any of your own.

I prefer the "toned" look, but i suppose thats still some muscle definition. Cant stand that "jacked" or "ripped" look. I also cant stand that "heroin sheik" look.

picture please. I need exampled because I can't understand how ANYONE could have something bad to say about...

This ought to be interesting. And I really mean that. I believe that this is something atypical for a male, so I'm wondering who doesn't and why.

I agree...this ought to be interesting.

Also, please state the reason why you don't want any muscle definition.

What about you? Do you want or not want this? Why or why not? Seems strange to post about a topic and ask for reasons without offering any of your own.

Because Johnythan (in another thread) was arguing with the OP and one of the items was that not all men were looking to be ripped or "defined". The OP said, "not true" but as you saw in one of his posts here - he's eating his words and realizing he was wrong....maybe someone needs to start a thread to challenge that he doesn't understand all women too.

I prefer the "toned" look, but i suppose thats still some muscle definition. Cant stand that "jacked" or "ripped" look. I also cant stand that "heroin sheik" look.

heroin sheik...lmao. I need to steal this one.

and yeah, muscle definition is nasty. No thanks

I would say most korean and Japanese men would fall under this category.

Actually, It's not racist....it's a cultural thing.

I can't speak for Korea -- a lot of their male celebs are pretty bulky -- but as for Japan, there are simply different aesthetic standards for men. Over there, men are more focused on their appearance through fashion/style, hair, and grooming. The average Japanese man doesn't care about being muscular, he rather focuses on these other aspects.

Obviously there are exceptions, just like anywhere else -- look at all the MMA fighters coming out of Japan. But aside from professional athletes, being extremely "ripped" and "jacked" in Japan is considered a part of gay subculture.

Different culture -- different tastes and different preferences. That's just the way it is.

Coincidentally, I actually had a conversation about this phenomenon a few weeks ago -- with my husband, who is Japanese :flowerforyou:

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I think this is accurate. Here in the U.S. I think most people would attribute such an aspiration(the desire to have no visible muscle mass) to homosexuals. Of course, there are homosexuals who do want muscle mass but if a man didn't want muscle mass he would be presumed to be gay.

Now there's an inaccurate stereotype. Most of the gay men I've known were really into lifting for the sole purpose of aesthetics.

I think this is accurate. Here in the U.S. I think most people would attribute such an aspiration(the desire to have no visible muscle mass) to homosexuals. Of course, there are homosexuals who do want muscle mass but if a man didn't want muscle mass he would be presumed to be gay.

Now there's an inaccurate stereotype. Most of the gay men I've known were really into lifting for the sole purpose of aesthetics.

I have seen both sides of this.

The waif look ... (along with heroin chic hehehehe ) seems to indicate there are plenty who don't seem bothered to have definition.

If people want to look a certain way ...good for them. Once people start mocking and ridiculing others for not wanting to be in great shape .. or for looking in bad shape , then I guess they have issues.

Actually, It's not racist....it's a cultural thing.

I can't speak for Korea -- a lot of their male celebs are pretty bulky -- but as for Japan, there are simply different aesthetic standards for men. Over there, men are more focused on their appearance through fashion/style, hair, and grooming. The average Japanese man doesn't care about being muscular, he rather focuses on these other aspects.

Obviously there are exceptions, just like anywhere else -- look at all the MMA fighters coming out of Japan. But aside from professional athletes, being extremely "ripped" and "jacked" in Japan is considered a part of gay subculture.

Different culture -- different tastes and different preferences. That's just the way it is.

Coincidentally, I actually had a conversation about this phenomenon a few weeks ago -- with my husband, who is Japanese :flowerforyou:

I think this is accurate. Here in the U.S. I think most people would attribute such an aspiration(the desire to have no visible muscle mass) to homosexuals. Of course, there are homosexuals who do want muscle mass but if a man didn't want muscle mass he would be presumed to be gay.

So much generalization and stereotype. I just can't....

ETA- When Koreans and Japanese are put in the same category in the first place... yeah.

Actually, It's not racist....it's a cultural thing.

I can't speak for Korea -- a lot of their male celebs are pretty bulky -- but as for Japan, there are simply different aesthetic standards for men. Over there, men are more focused on their appearance through fashion/style, hair, and grooming. The average Japanese man doesn't care about being muscular, he rather focuses on these other aspects.

Obviously there are exceptions, just like anywhere else -- look at all the MMA fighters coming out of Japan. But aside from professional athletes, being extremely "ripped" and "jacked" in Japan is considered a part of gay subculture.

Different culture -- different tastes and different preferences. That's just the way it is.

Coincidentally, I actually had a conversation about this phenomenon a few weeks ago -- with my husband, who is Japanese :flowerforyou:

I think this is accurate. Here in the U.S. I think most people would attribute such an aspiration(the desire to have no visible muscle mass) to homosexuals. Of course, there are homosexuals who do want muscle mass but if a man didn't want muscle mass he would be presumed to be gay.

So much generalization and stereotype. I just can't....

ETA- When Koreans and Japanese are put in the same category in the first place... yeah.

Of course, but that's how society operates. Just like Hispanic people in the U.S., they are routinely lumped into one category without appreciation or acknowledgement of their cultural difference. I mean, women with short haircuts and tomboy-esque style are presumed to be lesbians. To act like the stereotypes don't exist would be naive at best and downright foolish at worst.

Look at a program called "Visual Impact for Men." It's for men who don't want to bulk up. Or did you mean no muscle definition at all?