Addicted to food, really?
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This is not the definition of an addiction, it never was, and it never will be. Addictions can be physiological, psychological, or simply compulsive beyond the sufferer's control. Addicts will oftentimes feel incredibly despondent and negative about their conditions and make great efforts to change it, but will relapse.
That is why part of recovering from addiction is relapsing, you will, in all likelihood, in all cases of addiction, relapse. These can be from simple nervous tics that relieve tension in anxiety suffers, like biting your fingernails, or pulling hair, to full on drug addiction where the user feels physically and psychologically compelled to use. Not using is not the same as not being an addict. People who have eating disorders do not always engage in those eating disorders, but will still feel the same negative emotions from them. This could be an over-eater who doesn't over-eat but feels the negative connotations that come with it, the thought of wasting, the strong urge to do it, and the resultant anxiety from not engaging in the addiction, if you over-eat and have those feelings at the same time, then you are a using addict. That is being an addict, and it is a marked difference from people who just stuff their faces out of sheer boredom or no control on their diet, that is what every single person in this thread who asserts that they had over ate and could "easily" solve that problem. The issue isn't that people who suffer from eating addiction have low self-control, it's that you never had self-control in the first place. People with an eating addiction will become fat because of their addiction, you will become fat because you are a slob.
This is the difference, you are projecting your own stupidity onto others, just because you got fat because of poor self control, doesn't mean that there aren't skinny/average/fat people who don't have a legitimate addiction to eating food.
Wanting to and needing to are two incredibly different things. You want to eat food, addicts feel like they NEED to eat food.
Please understand the basics of the subjects before you deign to fill this topic with stupidity.
You are ignorant, you have nothing but anecdotal evidence and refuse to do the actual research as to why various forms of addiction exists. There are people who chronically over eat, they are not hungry, they do not even want to eat, but they feel a grave compulsion to do so. This is no more controllable that someone who suffers from borderline personality disorder or other thought disturbances. The of self control is not the moment when you see a food item and keep yourself from eating it, self control in a sufferer's of addiction perspective is attempting to dispel the obsessive thoughts that create the addiction. These are thoughts like "I am a bad person if I do not do that thing." or "If I don't do that thing I will have a panic attack." or "I have to do that thing because it's the most important thing."
THAT is the root of the addiction, not eating the food, but the thinking behind it.
Once again, you saying that these addictions aren't real and are a symptom of loose self-control and excuse making goes against decades of psychological and physiological research. Also keep in mind that your body's hormones and metabolism matches your diet, so you can very, very, very easily have your body be incredibly stubborn and refuse to adapt to a newer diet with less food in it. This is something even body builders suffer from when they switch from their bulking phase to their cutting phase. Rapidly changing diet, or even slowly changing diet, especially if that diet has been a fixture for an extended period of time, is something your body does not enjoy doing, and your body very slowly adapts to those changes in diet by adjusting your metabolism and hormones.
There are hormones that are directly link to the feeling of hunger or the satisfaction of eating, and those become more prevalent the more and more someone eats. This is why it's significantly more difficult for people to lose weight the larger they become.
I haven't been overweight since I was in elementary school, and I've never suffered from compulsive eating or any real addictions beyond a brief period of smoking for the course of a year, but it's very, very easy to understand that these things are real, they do exist, and there's an enormous difference between an addict and someone lacking in self control.
Do some research instead of making yourself look like a fool.
Fantastic post. Thanks!
how the heck did i miss this?
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But food is not addictive. Those chemicals are just there to make it more nutritious, right?!
I don't think there are many, if any, foods that have chemicals in them that cause physiological addictions.
However, there is absolutely no doubt that manufactured food is an engineered product, with very specific design criteria in mind when it is created.
Manufactured foods are designed to be cheap to manufacture, cheap to transport, have long shelf lives, and be very compelling/tasty to eat.
And it's not just a shot in the dark when they do this - there is a boatload of R&D money that goes into taste tests and psychology right down to the color of the box and what shelf on the grocery store it sits on all designed to maximize consumption and thus sales.
So the food most definitely is addictive, but probably not chemically addictive. I
Do a little reading before you conjecture on scientific evidence ***that already exists*** ... MSGTruth.org ... READ it! Actual information makes sorting out fact from emotions so much easier!!!
EDIT TO ADD from MSGTruth.org:
Why do food companies add MSG to foods?
There are several reasons:
MSG tricks your tongue into making you think a certain food is high in protein and thus nutritious. It is not a "meat tenderizer". It is not a "preservative". The food industry is trying to confuse the issue by focusing on the "fifth" taste sense they call umami. Free glutamic acid is detected by the taste buds as a simple way to signal the presence of protein in a food, just as there are fat receptors to detect fats and receptors that sense carbohydrate or sweet flavors. The purpose is to help us discern real food from inedible matter. It changes your perception of not simply taste but the nutritious qualities of what you put into your mouth. However, and here is the main problem with free glutamic acid - It is the very same neurotransmitter that your brain and many organs including your ears, eyes, nervous system and pancreas in your body use to initiate certain processes in your body.
MSG stimulates the pancreas to produce insulin. So many diets these days are concerned about the Glycemic Index of foods and yet none of them address the fact that MSG and free glutamic acid stimulate the pancreas to release insulin when there doesn't even have to be carbohydrates in the food for that insulin to act on. The food industry has found their own "anti-appetite suppressant". It's a convenient way to keep consumers coming back for more. The blood sugar drops because of the insulin flood. And you are hungry an hour later. Sound familiar?
The body changes excess glutamate to GABA. GABA may be addictive. It is calming and affects the same receptors in the brain as valium.
Cost. The illusion created by adding MSG to a food product enables the food processor to add LESS real food. The illusion of more protein in a food allows the food producer to put LESS protein in it. The consumer perceives the product - say chicken soup - to have more chicken in it than is actually there. Example: A well-known brand of dehydrated chicken noodle soup. Is that chicken in there, or a piece of confetti?0 -
Well, there is such a thing as compulsive overeating; it's a behavioral issue, however, it really shouldn't be an excuse for staying overweight since it's treatable. A huge majority of cases can be completely cured, or at greatly lessened with therapy and nutritional counseling (something like 80% last I read). Most people that I have heard claiming food addiction don't reference any other symptom besides "I like to eat" though (and yes, there are other symtoms aside from eating a lot). If people think they have a real problem, they need to seek the proper methods of fixing/ controlling them rather than using it as a crutch.
I agree with you, but for some people they just don't even know where to begin or even realize that they are a food addict. It took me seeing a photo of myself to find the issue. It is mental, all addictions are mental.
Actually, from what I understand, not all addictions are mental. Some are actually physical. Those are the ones, like alcohol or heroin, that would cause a bad physical reaction if you were to quit cold turkey and, sometimes, require you to be under the care of a health professional when you quit.0 -
I don't have time to read 12 pages of pop-faux-internet psychology. Saying that it's a "mental problem" is absolutely correct. Addictions are mental problems. DUH! Saying that it's "just an excuse for overeating" is bull****. There's a difference between an excuse and a reason. If this were an excuse, those people wouldn't be taking responsibility for their recovery and coming to MFP to talk to you people about their problems—if they were using it as an excuse. It's a reason. A perspective. A position original and unique to them whether you can relate to it or not.
I can drink beer once a year without ever craving it. Does that mean alcoholism is bull****? NO. I put down cigarettes without a second look after 20 years of smoking. Does that mean you cannot be addicted to them? NO.
Just because something doesn't happen to YOU doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You can sit in judgement of people all you want but the fact of the matter is that we ALL have something we struggle with, some to greater or lesser extents than others. Sometimes you don't understand someone's behavior, but it's not your place to understand it unless it has some bearing on you personally. Maybe your problem isn't obvious. Maybe it's just a tiny little **** or something else you can hide. But we all have our 'thing,' don't we? Tossing around these psychological theories as form of recreation to make yourself feel superior to those struggling beside you is ... well, bent.
An addiction is defined not be the regularity of indulgence alone, but by the effect it has on you, your life, your loved ones. Once something goes from being purely pleasurable and harmless to having negative consequences and the person responsible cannot manage it alone, it's an addiction. You have no right to judge the validity of something you claim to have never experienced and that you know absolutely nothing about. We are ALL special snowflakes, believe it or not. We ALL deserve the benefit of the doubt and owe a hand up of support to ANYONE who has the courage to come to this site and especially throw their personal thoughts and feelings out in front of a crowd they know are going to tear them to shreds like a pack of coyotes.
And it's NOT just your mind. Junk food is pumped full of all kinds of chemicals DESIGNED to make you eat more, like MSG. It comes under dozens of different names and is in probably everything you eat that's packaged if not organic. Check out MSGTruth.org for well-cited documentation (click on "Disease states" and then "obesity" and "Diabetes"). Just like cigarettes, which are soaked in 100+ chemicals to ensure your addiction and make them burn faster, junk food is engineered to keep you eating. Can some people fight becoming addicted to MSG? OF course they can, just like some can never be bothered by alcohol, nicotine or other drugs. But that doesn't mean it's not happening, or that some of our compadres are not suffering.
Yet another MFP over reaction .
I never judged anyone. I posed a question and asked for thoughts on the subject. If I was judging, I would of just said that all "Obese people use food addiction as an excuse to over eat or something like that..."
As far as your last statement of course "blame the evil corporations" because they had the common sense to make food taste good...would you buy food if it tasted like crap?
oh but you ARE judging. you basically said that anyone that says that they have a food addiction is full of schit.
don't try to act all innocent now. it was very clear from the get-go what your position on this is. you didn't simply "pose a question and ask for thoughts".
i understand that you might come back and say something like "well that's my personal belief, how is that judging?"
well, it is a very judgemental, very ignorant point of view. i am typically forgiving toward the naive, but you haven't at all demonstrated an appreciation for the information given by those who do not share your "point of view", and so that is why you are being called judgemental. you knowingly stirred the pot on this, and you're acting like a bigoted *kitten*.0 -
Well lets see...there are addictions to alcohol, drugs, video games, porn, sex, and probably a whole slew of other things. I don't see why food couldn't fall into that category. Anything that is considered a pleasure has the potential to become an addiction, especially to those who are predisposed to having addictive personalities.
Quite true.
Saying one's "addicted to food" is certainly no more ridiculous than being a "sex addict."0 -
Do a little reading before you conjecture on scientific evidence ***that already exists*** ... MSGTruth.org ... READ it! Actual information makes sorting out fact from emotions so much easier!!!
I have to say, my first impressions by both the appearance of the web page and the domain name itself make me very skeptical of any claims they may make.
I would like to see some links to some scientific studies concerning a physiological response to MSG.0 -
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oh but you ARE judging. you basically said that anyone that says that they have a food addiction is full of schit.
don't try to act all innocent now. it was very clear from the get-go what your position on this is. you didn't simply "pose a question and ask for thoughts".
i understand that you might come back and say something like "well that's my personal belief, how is that judging?"
well, it is a very judgemental, very ignorant point of view. i am typically forgiving toward the naive, but you haven't at all demonstrated an appreciation for the information given by those who do not share your "point of view", and so that is why you are being called judgemental. you knowingly stirred the pot on this, and you're acting like a bigoted *kitten*.
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I don't have time to read 12 pages of pop-faux-internet psychology. Saying that it's a "mental problem" is absolutely correct. Addictions are mental problems. DUH! Saying that it's "just an excuse for overeating" is bull****. There's a difference between an excuse and a reason. If this were an excuse, those people wouldn't be taking responsibility for their recovery and coming to MFP to talk to you people about their problems—if they were using it as an excuse. It's a reason. A perspective. A position original and unique to them whether you can relate to it or not.
I can drink beer once a year without ever craving it. Does that mean alcoholism is bull****? NO. I put down cigarettes without a second look after 20 years of smoking. Does that mean you cannot be addicted to them? NO.
Just because something doesn't happen to YOU doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You can sit in judgement of people all you want but the fact of the matter is that we ALL have something we struggle with, some to greater or lesser extents than others. Sometimes you don't understand someone's behavior, but it's not your place to understand it unless it has some bearing on you personally. Maybe your problem isn't obvious. Maybe it's just a tiny little **** or something else you can hide. But we all have our 'thing,' don't we? Tossing around these psychological theories as form of recreation to make yourself feel superior to those struggling beside you is ... well, bent.
An addiction is defined not be the regularity of indulgence alone, but by the effect it has on you, your life, your loved ones. Once something goes from being purely pleasurable and harmless to having negative consequences and the person responsible cannot manage it alone, it's an addiction. You have no right to judge the validity of something you claim to have never experienced and that you know absolutely nothing about. We are ALL special snowflakes, believe it or not. We ALL deserve the benefit of the doubt and owe a hand up of support to ANYONE who has the courage to come to this site and especially throw their personal thoughts and feelings out in front of a crowd they know are going to tear them to shreds like a pack of coyotes.
And it's NOT just your mind. Junk food is pumped full of all kinds of chemicals DESIGNED to make you eat more, like MSG. It comes under dozens of different names and is in probably everything you eat that's packaged if not organic. Check out MSGTruth.org for well-cited documentation (click on "Disease states" and then "obesity" and "Diabetes"). Just like cigarettes, which are soaked in 100+ chemicals to ensure your addiction and make them burn faster, junk food is engineered to keep you eating. Can some people fight becoming addicted to MSG? OF course they can, just like some can never be bothered by alcohol, nicotine or other drugs. But that doesn't mean it's not happening, or that some of our compadres are not suffering.
Yet another MFP over reaction .
I never judged anyone. I posed a question and asked for thoughts on the subject. If I was judging, I would of just said that all "Obese people use food addiction as an excuse to over eat or something like that..."
As far as your last statement of course "blame the evil corporations" because they had the common sense to make food taste good...would you buy food if it tasted like crap?
oh but you ARE judging. you basically said that anyone that says that they have a food addiction is full of schit.
don't try to act all innocent now. it was very clear from the get-go what your position on this is. you didn't simply "pose a question and ask for thoughts".
i understand that you might come back and say something like "well that's my personal belief, how is that judging?"
well, it is a very judgemental, very ignorant point of view. i am typically forgiving toward the naive, but you haven't at all demonstrated an appreciation for the information given by those who do not share your "point of view", and so that is why you are being called judgemental. you knowingly stirred the pot on this, and you're acting like a bigoted *kitten*.
Ummm no, I did not judge anyone. I made a comment from personal experience and asked posed a question for people to respond to. That is called discussion and debate.
So in your world that is bigoted? You might need to get out a little more.0 -
But food is not addictive. Those chemicals are just there to make it more nutritious, right?!
I don't think there are many, if any, foods that have chemicals in them that cause physiological addictions.
However, there is absolutely no doubt that manufactured food is an engineered product, with very specific design criteria in mind when it is created.
Manufactured foods are designed to be cheap to manufacture, cheap to transport, have long shelf lives, and be very compelling/tasty to eat.
And it's not just a shot in the dark when they do this - there is a boatload of R&D money that goes into taste tests and psychology right down to the color of the box and what shelf on the grocery store it sits on all designed to maximize consumption and thus sales.
So the food most definitely is addictive, but probably not chemically addictive. I
Do a little reading before you conjecture on scientific evidence ***that already exists*** ... MSGTruth.org ... READ it! Actual information makes sorting out fact from emotions so much easier!!!
EDIT TO ADD from MSGTruth.org:
Why do food companies add MSG to foods?
There are several reasons:
MSG tricks your tongue into making you think a certain food is high in protein and thus nutritious. It is not a "meat tenderizer". It is not a "preservative". The food industry is trying to confuse the issue by focusing on the "fifth" taste sense they call umami. Free glutamic acid is detected by the taste buds as a simple way to signal the presence of protein in a food, just as there are fat receptors to detect fats and receptors that sense carbohydrate or sweet flavors. The purpose is to help us discern real food from inedible matter. It changes your perception of not simply taste but the nutritious qualities of what you put into your mouth. However, and here is the main problem with free glutamic acid - It is the very same neurotransmitter that your brain and many organs including your ears, eyes, nervous system and pancreas in your body use to initiate certain processes in your body.
MSG stimulates the pancreas to produce insulin. So many diets these days are concerned about the Glycemic Index of foods and yet none of them address the fact that MSG and free glutamic acid stimulate the pancreas to release insulin when there doesn't even have to be carbohydrates in the food for that insulin to act on. The food industry has found their own "anti-appetite suppressant". It's a convenient way to keep consumers coming back for more. The blood sugar drops because of the insulin flood. And you are hungry an hour later. Sound familiar?
The body changes excess glutamate to GABA. GABA may be addictive. It is calming and affects the same receptors in the brain as valium.
Cost. The illusion created by adding MSG to a food product enables the food processor to add LESS real food. The illusion of more protein in a food allows the food producer to put LESS protein in it. The consumer perceives the product - say chicken soup - to have more chicken in it than is actually there. Example: A well-known brand of dehydrated chicken noodle soup. Is that chicken in there, or a piece of confetti?
I dont think she likes MSG....0 -
All i understand about MSG is when I go into a chinese restaurant to try to get my food without it, something about it being akin to what sodium does. if thats true, then i have just given you an easy two-line explanation.0
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Personally, I often struggle with whether, I have had a food addiction or just bad food habits. Growing up, I was always taught to finish my plates and we didn't always have food. Therefore, when we did have food I would eat as much as I could because I didn't know where my next meal would come from. Also, I just love the taste of different foods. I am a cook and I love the many different textures and things you can do on a plate. Food also covered up my many insecurities and depression caused by my overweight problems. Not all my weight problems are from my eating/exercise. I was a fit soldier and been broken down from my time in the military. Getting back in shape after my son is hard when you got different ailments in the way.
This all being said, I don't want to kill myself early. My family has diabetes, heart disease and other obesity related illnesses running like blood through our family tree. My grandfather, who I heard was a great man, I never met because he died at 50 for his love of food.
I cannot say what is or is not an addiction to some people. But for me its not just loving food or not being able to stop. It is about breaking old habits, retraining the mind, and doing this even if no one supports you. But, for me, I cannot comment on why people do what they do or their own motivations for it. All I can do is my best to be healthy for me, my family, and friends.0 -
I think you bring up a valid argument, but I feel like we(as in everyone to a point) may build up some chemical dependency to certain types of foods or beverages. As someone stated earlier things like chocolate or highly caffeinated beverages actually have an affect on our brain and could quite possibly trigger addictive behavior. And as for it being a mental health issue, of course it is, as is any other addiction. People become addicted to things because of their brain make up, not everyone has an addictive personality, but a lot of people do, and people with outstanding mental health generally don't develop addictions. Btw congratulations on your fantastic weight loss, keep living healthy!!!0
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Its like I make a serving of pasta and immediately want to make five more servings to eat. I have ice cream in the freezer right now, if I have a servicing I do not woof down the whole pint...
^^ This is what goes through my head when I eat. I do eat everything that's not nailed down.
It's not crap. Food addiction is serious. I don't restrict carbs, but I certainly do eat more than I should, more often than I should. If there are leftovers, I obsess about eating them until I do, regardless of my level of hunger. In fact, I don't think I've actually BEEN hungry for a long time. It's not just carbs, though, it's everything. If it tastes good, I eat it all. And sometimes even if it doesn't taste good, I'll eat it anyway.
It's a combination of my upbringing and our culture of food-based events. I don't know what the answer is, but I know that it is only I who can change my habits and try to control my addiction. I love food, and I can't give it up like smoking or alcohol. Small changes every day, little slips here and there, they're all a part of my life.
I don't have 'withdrawals' per se, but I do have strong cravings if I give something up - so I don't. My mind instantly wants what I tell it we're not having. It's how my mind works. I know it sounds like bull****, because to someone who has never experienced it, it's CRAZY!
I find it strange that people are addicted to smoking or drugs, given all the knowledge that we have around how bad it is for you. But they are. I have so much knowledge about proper nutrition, proper serving sizes, and good exercise habits, yet I continue to behave in a manner that goes against all that knowledge. It's the same thing.
ETA: Just providing the other side of the coin.
I'm exactly the same way!!
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Food can be addictive, end of story.0
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I'm guessing the people who have always been relatively fit or have only been "a few pounds" overweight don't believe in food addiction.
Also, is it possible some people are addicted to exercise?
It also possible to medicalise any aspect of human behaviour. If something falls outside a spectrum of behaviour we deem rational, we immediately jump all over it and feel that it needs to be "cured". Colour me suspicious. To quote Foucault:
"...modern man no longer communicates with the madman [...] There is no common language: or rather, it no longer exists; the constitution of madness as mental illness, at the end of the eighteenth century, bears witness to a rupture in a dialogue, gives the separation as already enacted, and expels from the memory all those imperfect words, of no fixed syntax, spoken falteringly, in which the exchange between madness and reason was carried out. The language of psychiatry, which is a monologue by reason about madness, could only have come into existence in such a silence."
It's the ultimate end of bringing scientific discourse to all aspects of our lives. Some aspects about human behaviour are not (nor should they be) reducible. Kierkegaard had the notion between mediation and higher immediacy in human action. It seems that acting as a rational, mature being (as enlightenment thinkers would have you believe we first-and-foremost are) can only expose you to a single side of the human experience. See, we are not really fundamentally rational beings, we are beings who are capable of rationality. There is a massive difference. Especially if you are trying to build a science of human behaviour.
tl;dr: Psychiatry as a effort to scientifically understand human behaviour is an error.0 -
Yes, I believe food addiction is real. Im not as addicted to it as others but there have been times in my life that I JUST. CANNOT. DO. ANYTHING. ELSE until I eat a....whatever, fill in the blank.... Cant think about anything else, cant go to sleep, unless eat or drink this ONE THING.. which usually would lead to overindulgence. Then I can go about my day. Its so weird, I know, but it does happen!
Not to mention that there are many food additives that are addicting, like MSG and high fructose corn syrup.
Though I do believe that cigarettes and drugs have a bit of a different way of being addicting. Nicotine is a drug that is highly addictive so your body literally craves the chemical, not the cigarettes, per se. Same with drugs, heroin is highly addictive physiologically and someone could literally die without getting a fix unless going through a serious detox rehab program. So in that way, food addiction is NOT the same.0 -
You know, there's a reason that medical and mental health professionals refer to "addiction" in the case of heroin and not in the case of food.
This is incorrect. There most certainly are medical and mental health professionals that refer to food addiction.
Binge eating is now a disorder listed in the DSM-V.
This. Thank you. This is my field.
And it's also "appeal to authority."
Fallacy mining isn't an argument.0 -
I don't have time to read 12 pages of pop-faux-internet psychology. Saying that it's a "mental problem" is absolutely correct. Addictions are mental problems. DUH! Saying that it's "just an excuse for overeating" is bull****. There's a difference between an excuse and a reason. If this were an excuse, those people wouldn't be taking responsibility for their recovery and coming to MFP to talk to you people about their problems—if they were using it as an excuse. It's a reason. A perspective. A position original and unique to them whether you can relate to it or not.
I can drink beer once a year without ever craving it. Does that mean alcoholism is bull****? NO. I put down cigarettes without a second look after 20 years of smoking. Does that mean you cannot be addicted to them? NO.
Just because something doesn't happen to YOU doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You can sit in judgement of people all you want but the fact of the matter is that we ALL have something we struggle with, some to greater or lesser extents than others. Sometimes you don't understand someone's behavior, but it's not your place to understand it unless it has some bearing on you personally. Maybe your problem isn't obvious. Maybe it's just a tiny little **** or something else you can hide. But we all have our 'thing,' don't we? Tossing around these psychological theories as form of recreation to make yourself feel superior to those struggling beside you is ... well, bent.
An addiction is defined not be the regularity of indulgence alone, but by the effect it has on you, your life, your loved ones. Once something goes from being purely pleasurable and harmless to having negative consequences and the person responsible cannot manage it alone, it's an addiction. You have no right to judge the validity of something you claim to have never experienced and that you know absolutely nothing about. We are ALL special snowflakes, believe it or not. We ALL deserve the benefit of the doubt and owe a hand up of support to ANYONE who has the courage to come to this site and especially throw their personal thoughts and a out in front of a crowd they know are going to tear them to shreds like a pack of coyotes.
And it's NOT just your mind. Junk food is pumped full of all kinds of chemicals DESIGNED to make you eat more, like MSG. It comes under dozens of different names and is in probably everything you eat that's packaged if not organic. Check out MSGTruth.org for well-cited documentation (click on "Disease states" and then "obesity" and "Diabetes"). Just like cigarettes, which are soaked in 100+ chemicals to ensure your addiction and make them burn faster, junk food is engineered to keep you eating. Can some people fight becoming addicted to MSG? OF course they can, just like some can never be bothered by alcohol, nicotine or other drugs. But that doesn't mean it's not happening, or that some of our compadres are not suffering.
Yet another MFP over reaction .
I never judged anyone. I posed a question and asked for thoughts on the subject. If I was judging, I would of just said that all "Obese people use food addiction as an excuse to over eat or something like that..."
As far as your last statement of course "blame the evil corporations" because they had the common sense to make food taste good...would you buy food if it tasted like crap?
oh but you ARE judging. you basically said that anyone that says that they have a food addiction is full of schit.
don't try to act all innocent now. it was very clear from the get-go what your position on this is. you didn't simply "pose a question and ask for thoughts".
i understand that you might come back and say something like "well that's my personal belief, how is that judging?"
well, it is a very judgemental, very ignorant point of view. i am typically forgiving toward the naive, but you haven't at all demonstrated an appreciation for the information given by those who do not share your "point of view", and so that is why you are being called judgemental. you knowingly stirred the pot on this, and you're acting like a bigoted *kitten*.
I didn't find the original post judgemental... I think some are a little sensitive here. He gave his experience and what he thought because of his experience and then asked for opinions. Good googly... there was no attack and no judgement.0 -
you said it your self... compulsion.People use the word "addiction" to justify a lack of willpower
How is having an addiction not a lack of willpower? An alcoholic picks up a drink due to lack of willpower, does s/he not? There is a compulsion to drink. That compulsion is only overcome by will or force.
no
Then how?
Sorry, I thought you were saying "no" to willpower being the method to break the compulsion. The one word answer was pretty nondescriptive, especially since you agree it's compulsion.
It's pretty hard to deny that there are those that feel compulsion to overeat.
to be fair you only asked one question. and it was "An alcoholic picks up a drink due to lack of willpower, does s/he not?" this is what i answered. being compelled to do something isnt entirely down to a lack of will power, does a junkie not have the will power to steal from friends and family to buy gear? no they are compelled to do it, as part of the viciousness of their addiction. its not about not having any will power, its an addiction, and the definition of addiction alludes to a feeling of compulsion to do things without consideration for consequence, because there is no barrier between logic and addiction. its all about the feeling you get after consumption.0 -
I'm addicted to cheese. I'd die without it. The Mayo Clinic proved it with Science.
This is a joke. Right? Just checking...0 -
Overeating/Food CAN be an addiction. Not for everyone, but for some. I look at it from a common sense AND psychological standpoint. Some use it as an excuse..for others it's something real that needs to be worked through. Either way, MANY people (from what I've seen personally) have SOME sort of mental health battle..whether it be clinical depression, bipolar, ptsd, childhood sexual abuse/physical abuse, etc... morbidly obese people like myself did not get fat by chance. Unfortunately when you start out young and your body and brain gets used to having something, couple that with depression or something else, plus traumatic experiences, and food WILL become a trigger for dopamine in the brain. Sugar triggers the same parts of the brain that crack cocaine does. So saying that food is an addiction isn't true for all, but it's real. If food isn't an addiction, then alcohol isn't an addiction for alcoholics. Is the persons choice to start eating/drinking and continue, but after a while it's not just about stopping, it's about healing. If you can get headaches from not getting your regular caffeine intake then why is it so hard to believe that other foods can trigger your brain and cause an "addiction" of some sorts? It shouldn't be used as an excuse, but it's just the truth.
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Oh and just to back up what I said (aside from the fact that I've been morbidly obese for years, am a psychology major, have common sense, and also work with those addicted to various substances, AND have a mother who was overweight and has lost and maintained through OA) .... here is just one article. I could produce more, but I have homework to do..
"The Obesity Epidemic and Food Addiction: Clinical Similarities to Drug Dependence" by Jeffrey L. Fortuna Dr.Ph from the Journal of Psychoactive Drugs0 -
just another excuse, no one is really addicted to food, we just love the taste i love food, but I'm learing to eat in moderation now, i never really been a lazy person, i'm actually on the move always when working i have to get out of my chair atleast 30 times a day, when i get home i cook and clean and tend to my family, I guess i just eat more then my body was burning, now i eat smarter, i have sweets but just not as many as i love to thoug lol...moderation people that's all and keep moving
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I think we are hung up on the term "addicted". Personally, I'm an emotional eater and would eat until I wanted to explode. Not because I was addicted to the food but because of the "satisfying" feeling of being "full". I was filling a void with something that comforted me and made me "feel better".
This is a disorder for sure! But I agree that it was no "addiction".
Just my opinion
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I generally stay away from minefields like this, but when it comes to addiction, I have to throw in my two cents.
Years ago, after some very bad stuff happened in my life, I jumped down the rabbit hole and became addicted to cocaine, and then crack. I lost everything, had to declare bankruptcy...everything.
I got clean by...stopping. It was the hardest thing I ever did. In my case I didn't go to 12-step programs (but I recognize their value for some people). I stopped because I bottomed out and the people who love me didn't deserve any more pain.
I was an addict. But I was able to stop, by choice and will. I've been clean for five years.
I now have a cancerous tumor. Unfortunately I can't make that go away by willpower.
There are some of us who have a pleasure-seeking gene in our brain, something that tells us that when something feels good, we must continue to do it, over and over. When I got rid of drugs, I turned to food.
But I can change this, as I changed my addiction to my drug.0 -
I generally stay away from minefields like this, but when it comes to addiction, I have to throw in my two cents.
Years ago, after some very bad stuff happened in my life, I jumped down the rabbit hole and became addicted to cocaine, and then crack. I lost everything, had to declare bankruptcy...everything.
I got clean by...stopping. It was the hardest thing I ever did. In my case I didn't go to 12-step programs (but I recognize their value for some people). I stopped because I bottomed out and the people who love me didn't deserve any more pain.
I was an addict. But I was able to stop, by choice and will. I've been clean for five years.
I now have a cancerous tumor. Unfortunately I can't make that go away by willpower.
There are some of us who have a pleasure-seeking gene in our brain, something that tells us that when something feels good, we must continue to do it, over and over. When I got rid of drugs, I turned to food.
But I can change this, as I changed my addiction to my drug.
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I shouldn't have mentioned the C word. Makes people feel they shouldn't tear a strip off me.
Tear away! I'm tough as nails...0 -
(btw i can see this post is old at this point). Addiction is defined as anything from a compulsive need to a strong desire. Lots of addictions and mental diseases are debatable: anorexia nervosa is often questioned as to its legitimacy of being a real disease.
True, heroine addicts have physical reactions to lack of heroin use, but I have witnessed people claiming to be food addicts suffer other symptoms: nausea and even the shakes. Will they die or do they need morphine because they couldn't have "one more oreo" as someone said- probably not- we all have our habits, some stronger than others. Your own experience at being your heaviest weight clearly means you can't relate- there are people out there who do desire multiple servings of foods for no other reason than that they are there. I can tell you can't relate when you say at your heaviest you "i liked pasta, doesn't mean I need 4 bowls," if you were a food addict that would be exactly your logic- you would want as much as humanly possible because you wouldn't just "like" pasta you would "love it" beyond all comprehension. Is it illogical? silly? sure, but what addictions are logical?0
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