CANT FIGURE OUT WHAT IM DOING WRONG
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I don't see the point in laughing at people who are pointing out a very real, dangerous, and obvious situation. How does that help you?
Obviously, OP, you're looking for an answer that you're not getting. If you think what you're doing right now is right, then it should be working too. However, you're bloating 2 pants sizes??? Really?? I have the inclination to think you are either exaggerating, or you're just a plain idiot when it comes to your body.
Starvation rehabilitation starts at 1200 calories a day for ANYONE. It doesn't matter if you're skinny or fat, the medical community has generally concluded that if you are eating under 1200 calories, you're not at a sustainable level. Even gastric bypass patients are rarely recommended to eat under this amount, and they take loads of supplements to avoid malnutrition. The reason is, is that once you undercut this amount, you're risking a plethora of problems, and will ultimately guarantee that when you do eventually breakdown and start eating "normally" you will gain a ridiculous amount of weight. This is supported by facts, studies, as well as my own personal anecdotal experience.
If you want to know what it's like to gain over 150 pounds in a year, keep doing what you're doing. When you start trying to refeed, if you don't do it right, you will balloon because you'll have shut down your body's energy centers.
Oh, and FYI, you're supposed to have fat around your hips and belly when you're a woman.
Stop complaining and arguing. If you really want help, take the advice and work with it. If, on the other hand, you don't actually want help, which seems to be the case... Here are some ridiculous diet tips:
Drink water instead of eating whenever you feel hungry. If you still feel hungry, eat ice.
Cardio doesn't really count unless you hurt after you're done, and you should be as close to 0 net calories as possible
If you don't feel like you're losing fast enough, take water pills and laxatives to counteract what diet isn't doing alone
FYI... Those tips are established bulimia behaviors.
Get some help already.
Yeah, calling someone a plain idiot who might have a potential eating disorder is a REALLY GREAT WAY to help with their negative views on their body. Oh, but nice job telling her to seek help though.
Seriously, people who have no tact should keep their comments to themselves. There's no need to unload your personal problems onto someone who needs help.0 -
I'm not disagreeing and i am very appreciative of the advice given but some people were making it seem like im purposely trying to starve myself....which im NOT that is ridiculous. If I was trying to starve myself i wouldnt be on here asking for help.
Oh snap there's some light under the door! Okay, well then, would you consider gradually increasing your calories, by 100 or so daily, and inching your way into a healthier range for you?
Edit to clarify: I mean increase by 100ish daily for a week, then in a week or two, increase again, not increase by 100 every day.0 -
I'm not disagreeing and i am very appreciative of the advice given but some people were making it seem like im purposely trying to starve myself....which im NOT that is ridiculous. If I was trying to starve myself i wouldnt be on here asking for help.
So your dietary habits are by accident?
The reason why people think it's purposeful is because A) we as adults get to choose what goes into our bodies and
in all of your posts you haven't acknowledged that your calorie consumption is dangerously low. 0 -
I'm not disagreeing and i am very appreciative of the advice given but some people were making it seem like im purposely trying to starve myself....which im NOT that is ridiculous. If I was trying to starve myself i wouldnt be on here asking for help.
So your dietary habits are by accident?
The reason why people think it's purposeful is because A) we as adults get to choose what goes into our bodies and in all of your posts you haven't acknowledged that your calorie consumption is dangerously low.
She may not think her caloric consumption is dangerously low because:
She claims she's not tired or fatigued, which generally comes with not eating enough and exercising like she does.
She's not losing weight. She may think that since she's not losing weight she might be eating too much, because calories burned/not consumed should equal a loss. Well, we know that is not always the case.
Maybe we should direct her to some more places where she can read up on WHY she needs to eat more instead of just telling her she needs to eat more.0 -
I didnt know it was low as I feel fine and im not educated hense why im here asking....AGAIN, as I said a lot of foods make me feel bloated.0
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Thank you marilynx,
Yes im here asking for advice im not asking to be diagnosed with an eating disorder. I thought i ate a lot and i exercise because i want to not to get frail and sickly looking.0 -
yeah im not going to argue it LOL because like i said my cals are closer to 1100 a day. I dont eat a lot of CARBS because of how they make my stomach feel. I sit at a desk all day and the cardio i do is majority fast paced walking so everybody needs to calm down. I dont feel hungry or low on energy so i really dont think im starving myself.
All I see in your responses are craploads of excuses and crap. I'll repeat what everyone else keeps saying: 1100 CALORIES ARE NOT ENOUGH TO FUEL YOUR BODY AND CAUSE YOU TO LOSE WEIGHT... ESPECIALLY if you're exercising and gaining back 600+ calories.
Whether you FEEL like it or not, you are starving your body (yes, STARVING).
Say you eat 1100 calories a day... then you exercise and earn 600 calories back. Now let's do the math:
1100 calories
-600 calories
= 500 calories
So basically you're fueling your body with 500 calories a day (on a "good" day for you if you eat 1100 calories).
Interpretation (again): you're STARVING your body.
And to clarify, yes I'm yelling... :flowerforyou:0 -
I'm not disagreeing and i am very appreciative of the advice given but some people were making it seem like im purposely trying to starve myself....which im NOT that is ridiculous. If I was trying to starve myself i wouldnt be on here asking for help.
So your dietary habits are by accident?
The reason why people think it's purposeful is because A) we as adults get to choose what goes into our bodies and in all of your posts you haven't acknowledged that your calorie consumption is dangerously low.
She may not think her caloric consumption is dangerously low because:
She claims she's not tired or fatigued, which generally comes with not eating enough and exercising like she does.
She's not losing weight. She may think that since she's not losing weight she might be eating too much, because calories burned/not consumed should equal a loss. Well, we know that is not always the case.
Maybe we should direct her to some more places where she can read up on WHY she needs to eat more instead of just telling her she needs to eat more.
We've all told her it's dangerously low and she continues to LOL and make excuses.
Someone calculated her TDEE-20% for her, to no avail.
Pretty much everyone here has directed her to talk to a doctor.
Other than that, there's not much else anyone can say.0 -
Feeling fine is not a good enough reason to eat so little. I did the same thing for a while, and then I stopped losing weight, got really bad dark circles under my eyes, and my nails looked like ****. I felt fine, but I definitely wasn't. You aren't stupid. You know you need to eat more and eat balanced. Most of your calories come from carbohydrates, which require water to be processed by the body. This could be contributing to your bloated feeling. You may also have food sensitivities, and a good way to figure out what they are is to get an allergy test. You could also try just cutting out things that commonly cause reactions (wheat, dairy) one at a time and seeing what works. But you still need to eat more if you do this.
I know it's a little scary and seems impossible to eat more right now, I went through it. It's worth it though. I thought I felt fine, but I feel great now. Yes, you might experience a small gain for a couple of weeks after increasing your intake, but it WILL go away. Don't take that gain as a sign that you have to eat so little to lose weight. You aren't losing weight as it is. You need to try something new, and eating a reasonable amount is the best and most obvious change you could make.0 -
Print out your food Diary pages, go to a Doctor, admit that you do not have a healthy relationship with food and need assistance in eating in ways which are compatible with life.
Your body is telling you what you are doing it wrong.. listen to it and seek the professional help you need.
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Making excuses shouldn't surprise you or anybody else. Anybody who has a weight issue has made excuses as to why they can't/won't change. She's been given advice, if she takes it, great. If not, well, that's for her to decide. I honestly don't think she's trying to make excuses though. I think she may be genuinely confused. We've all been told eat less+exercise more=weight loss. So she is doing what is the trend. How is eating more supposed to equal weight loss? That contradicts everything that most people have heard. Who here has answered this question adequately for this woman? Nobody? Oh ok. That's what I thought.0
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Whoaaaaa some of you need to seriously...CHILL OUT. I said im thankful for the information your giving me. I'm not educated and I honestly thought I was over eating because of the bloating feeling I get when I eat. I asked for help and once again thank you all for your input. All i'm saying is dont assume im purposely trying to eat that minimal or be anorexic. I exercise because I enjoy it and eat the foods I enjoy.....I didnt realize i was doing anything wrong so for the 3RD TIME THANK YOU! If you want to effectively help someone my advice to you is not to make them feel like an idiot and make accusations about eating disorders.0
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Making excuses shouldn't surprise you or anybody else. Anybody who has a weight issue has made excuses as to why they can't/won't change. She's been given advice, if she takes it, great. If not, well, that's for her to decide. I honestly don't think she's trying to make excuses though. I think she may be genuinely confused. We've all been told eat less+exercise more=weight loss. So she is doing what is the trend. How is eating more supposed to equal weight loss? That contradicts everything that most people have heard. Who here has answered this question adequately for this woman? Nobody? Oh ok. That's what I thought.
It's going to be ok. Take a deeeep breathe. Then go online and find her an article, since that is very important to you.
In the meantime, I'm going to stick by my advice that she should go talk to a doctor.0 -
I don't see the point in laughing at people who are pointing out a very real, dangerous, and obvious situation. How does that help you?
Obviously, OP, you're looking for an answer that you're not getting. If you think what you're doing right now is right, then it should be working too. However, you're bloating 2 pants sizes??? Really?? I have the inclination to think you are either exaggerating, or you're just a plain idiot when it comes to your body.
Starvation rehabilitation starts at 1200 calories a day for ANYONE. It doesn't matter if you're skinny or fat, the medical community has generally concluded that if you are eating under 1200 calories, you're not at a sustainable level. Even gastric bypass patients are rarely recommended to eat under this amount, and they take loads of supplements to avoid malnutrition. The reason is, is that once you undercut this amount, you're risking a plethora of problems, and will ultimately guarantee that when you do eventually breakdown and start eating "normally" you will gain a ridiculous amount of weight. This is supported by facts, studies, as well as my own personal anecdotal experience.
If you want to know what it's like to gain over 150 pounds in a year, keep doing what you're doing. When you start trying to refeed, if you don't do it right, you will balloon because you'll have shut down your body's energy centers.
Oh, and FYI, you're supposed to have fat around your hips and belly when you're a woman.
Stop complaining and arguing. If you really want help, take the advice and work with it. If, on the other hand, you don't actually want help, which seems to be the case... Here are some ridiculous diet tips:
Drink water instead of eating whenever you feel hungry. If you still feel hungry, eat ice.
Cardio doesn't really count unless you hurt after you're done, and you should be as close to 0 net calories as possible
If you don't feel like you're losing fast enough, take water pills and laxatives to counteract what diet isn't doing alone
FYI... Those tips are established bulimia behaviors.
Get some help already.
Yeah, calling someone a plain idiot who might have a potential eating disorder is a REALLY GREAT WAY to help with their negative views on their body. Oh, but nice job telling her to seek help though.
Seriously, people who have no tact should keep their comments to themselves. There's no need to unload your personal problems onto someone who needs help.
It's not unloading personal problems. Speaking from my own experiences, someone needs to give some tough love here. I just summed up what everyone is saying nice ways. Tact doesn't win the game all the time.
Maybe people should consider these facts:
1. Anger and shock motivate people to fight
2. Listing behaviors that are established eating disorder behaviors is one of the best ways to tell a person that they have a problem, because they recognize themselves in these statements.
3. Some people choose to approach the serious problems with a serious response, not something coddling.
I'm not saying I'm perfect, but how many people on this thread have actually been diagnosed? How many are speaking about something they know nothing about? At least I have some idea and some information I can share.0 -
I repeat - I am not a doctor but I do work in the medical field - for the bloating you will need to see a gastroenterologist to find out what foods may be causing this. See your GP first for a referral. You may be intolerant to some foods especially gluten.0
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yeah im not going to argue it LOL because like i said my cals are closer to 1100 a day. I dont eat a lot of CARBS because of how they make my stomach feel. I sit at a desk all day and the cardio i do is majority fast paced walking so everybody needs to calm down. I dont feel hungry or low on energy so i really dont think im starving myself.
You do realize your diet is like 75% carbs right?0 -
DO YOU LIFT WIEGHT? OR JUST DO CARDIO??
I would say to incorporate wieght training in your routine. Muscle burns fat. So try to build muscle. Also try your cardio in the morning on an empty stomach, like right when you wake up. When you are doing fasted cardio you are already starting the day with a caloric defecit and then burning a portion of what you eat after word.0 -
DO YOU LIFT WIEGHT? OR JUST DO CARDIO??
I would say to incorporate wieght training in your routine. Muscle burns fat. So try to build muscle. Also try your cardio in the morning on an empty stomach, like right when you wake up. When you are doing fasted cardio you are already starting the day with a caloric defecit and then burning a portion of what you eat after word.
I don't disagree with adding a strength routine, and I think it's a great idea if someone isn't happy with their weight loss results, but I want to point out that's it's going to be very difficult if not impossible to build any muscle on 1100 calories. Creating any appreciable amount of muscle generally requires a calorie surplus (other than newbie gains, etc).0 -
You need to track EVERY SINGLE THING you put in your mouth, as accurately as humanly possible. You also need to not rely on estimates of calories burned in exercise. Maintaining a proper calorie deficit will be the way to lose weight intelligently. Also, don't obsess over day-to-day weight fluctuations, simply track them. Also, you should measure yourself on a weekly basis, to help track your progress in other ways. If you aren't losing weight over the timescale of a month, your calorie deficit isn't a deficit, whether you realize it or not. You're getting calories from somewhere and not thinking of them as significant enough to make a difference. Maybe it's a peppermint candy after dinner, or a dollop of milk in your coffee, or some other beverage. Beverages are quite good at hiding calories from you. And realize too, that a difference of only a couple hundred calories can mean the difference between seeing results and simply maintaining your weight. You have to do the math properly, and if your data input isn't accurate, you're not going to see the results you want.0
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Eat More, Lift More!
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Yes I have started to eat more whole foods because everyone has been telling me im not doing my body any good eating the way i was. I just started back on MFP so you will notice my diary will change.0
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DO YOU LIFT WIEGHT? OR JUST DO CARDIO??
I would say to incorporate wieght training in your routine. Muscle burns fat. So try to build muscle. Also try your cardio in the morning on an empty stomach, like right when you wake up. When you are doing fasted cardio you are already starting the day with a caloric defecit and then burning a portion of what you eat after word.
I don't disagree with adding a strength routine, and I think it's a great idea if someone isn't happy with their weight loss results, but I want to point out that's it's going to be very difficult if not impossible to build any muscle on 1100 calories. Creating any appreciable amount of muscle generally requires a calorie surplus (other than newbie gains, etc).
Agreed. And the protein counts need to come up considerably. I reset my macro goals to 40-30-30 (protein-carbs-fat) when I started lifting.0 -
DO YOU LIFT WIEGHT? OR JUST DO CARDIO??
I would say to incorporate wieght training in your routine. Muscle burns fat. So try to build muscle. Also try your cardio in the morning on an empty stomach, like right when you wake up. When you are doing fasted cardio you are already starting the day with a caloric defecit and then burning a portion of what you eat after word.
I was always scared to use weights, i thought i would gain too much muscle and just be a fat muscly girl LOL i understand the concept now though thank you.0 -
I suggest you start a walking, jogging routine. Walk until you legs feel good, then jog slowly, when you are tired then walk. Keep repeating this for 30 to 45 mins. In a few days you will notice that you are joggong more than you are walking and then you are on your way. I don't know how old the pic in your bikini is but if it is resent then you are eating too much. Get at least 80 gs of protein each day. Protein burns fat. You should be at least of 1200 to 1500 calories, depending on how much you work out
Basil0 -
yeah im not going to argue it LOL because like i said my cals are closer to 1100 a day. I dont eat a lot of CARBS because of how they make my stomach feel. I sit at a desk all day and the cardio i do is majority fast paced walking so everybody needs to calm down. I dont feel hungry or low on energy so i really dont think im starving myself.
Leptin and Ghrelin are the hormones that regulate hunger and feeling full. When you eat low calories for awhile (which you are), this signals your body to say "I'm not hungry". It is a survival mechanism. In times of famine, bodies slow down and don't feel as hungry. When you eat more, your body says "eat all the food", because in times of plenty, bodies had to store everything it could to get through the inevitable times of famine again.
Not eating at a consistent and healthy level knocks these hormones out of balance so just because you are not hungry does not mean you are eating enough or getting enough nutrition.
In addition, when you also put the demands of exercise on a body that it is not getting enough fuel, your body produces excess cortisol. This is the stress hormone and this prevents weight loss, as well as other negative effects, contributing to many health issues.
1100 calories is NOT enough for a person your size and age and activity level.0 -
DO YOU LIFT WIEGHT? OR JUST DO CARDIO??
I would say to incorporate wieght training in your routine. Muscle burns fat. So try to build muscle. Also try your cardio in the morning on an empty stomach, like right when you wake up. When you are doing fasted cardio you are already starting the day with a caloric defecit and then burning a portion of what you eat after word.
I was always scared to use weights, i thought i would gain too much muscle and just be a fat muscly girl LOL i understand the concept now though thank you.
That's a big fear, but it doesn't happen that way. I haven't lost many pounds, but I've dropped inches and sizes and everything looks tighter and better. If you eat at a healthy calorie level, which is a minimum of 1200, then you won't bulk. My base calorie level is 1300. When I work out, I wear an HRM to track the calories. I always eat back some, if not all, of my calories burned. If I didn't, I wouldn't have the energy to fuel my exercise routine in any kind of sustainable way. When you start lifting, that's when you really start to feel when you aren't eating enough.0 -
Whoaaaaa some of you need to seriously...CHILL OUT. I said im thankful for the information your giving me. I'm not educated and I honestly thought I was over eating because of the bloating feeling I get when I eat. I asked for help and once again thank you all for your input. All i'm saying is dont assume im purposely trying to eat that minimal or be anorexic. I exercise because I enjoy it and eat the foods I enjoy.....I didnt realize i was doing anything wrong so for the 3RD TIME THANK YOU! If you want to effectively help someone my advice to you is not to make them feel like an idiot and make accusations about eating disorders.
Since you are not educated on the effects of your current diet (Very Low Calorie Diet, AKA VLCD), here is a crash course for you, backed by medical research...
HDL (high-density lipoprotein) levels usually decrease during active weight loss using a VLCD, but these either return to pre-VLCD levels or improve overall during the weight-maintenance phase.
HDL removes harmful bad cholesterol from where it doesn't belong. High HDL levels reduce the risk for heart disease -- but low levels increase the risk.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21490771
Baseline malnutrition from 6 weeks of VLCD.
We found baseline malnutrition in 7.4% of men and in 14.7% of women, and after the treatment in 22.2% of men and in 34.4% of women.
Within a period of follow-up of 6 weeks we have detected the presence of protein malnutrition, especially in women, being in these patients affected the visceral compartment while in men the muscular compartment is affected.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15274764
VLCD leads to Nitrogen loss (Your body needs the nitrogen in amino acids from protein foods to make other amino acids it uses to synthesize human proteins. Not only are your various tissues made up of protein, your metabolic processes depend upon enzymes and hormones, all of which consist of various kinds of proteins. The nucleic acid DNA, which make up your genes, and RNA, which is involved in protein synthesis, also contain nitrogen.) People of a normal weight going on VLCD predominantly lose Lean Body Mass (protein & water) rather than fat. The closer to normal weight a person gets, the less ability they have to preserve protein and LBM. Anyone <40% overweight or at a BMI -/= 30 should not be on VLCD. VLCD's are suggeste to be sustained no longer than 12-16 weeks. VLCD programs should be monitored by a physician. VLCD enhances diuresis, electrolyte loss, may disturb acid-based balance, and affect concurrent medical conditions. Non-physician attended VLCD are not adequate, and medical supervision is mandatory.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/56/1/240S.full.pdf
RMR (Resting Metabolic Rate)-LBM (Lean Body Mass) ratio appears to decrease fast in the first week of a VLCD; the decrease persists and tapers off in the following weeks. A 15% decrease in the RMR-LBM ratio suggests there is a metabolic adaptation, which leads to an increase in LBM energy efficiency. This result is close to the RMR-LBM ratio found in men after a 24 week Low calorie diet (not VLCD) and in chronic human malnutrition.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/53/4/826.full.pdf
TL;DR - Anyone <40% overweight or at a BMI -/= 30 should not be on VLCD, which you're not and should not be. In other words, work on upping your calorie intake TODAY. Slowly up it every week (by 100-200 calories), using foods that a caloric dense (peanut butter, cheese, yogurt, and more). Get your intake to the recommended MINIMUM of 1200 calories, at the very least. And, for the 3rd time, I'm going to say it, because I cannot stress how important this is... GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR. Seriously. Call and make an appointment today. If anything, at least go in for an updated blood panel.0 -
DO YOU LIFT WIEGHT? OR JUST DO CARDIO??
I would say to incorporate wieght training in your routine. Muscle burns fat. So try to build muscle. Also try your cardio in the morning on an empty stomach, like right when you wake up. When you are doing fasted cardio you are already starting the day with a caloric defecit and then burning a portion of what you eat after word.
I was always scared to use weights, i thought i would gain too much muscle and just be a fat muscly girl LOL i understand the concept now though thank you.
That's a big fear, but it doesn't happen that way. I haven't lost many pounds, but I've dropped inches and sizes and everything looks tighter and better. If you eat at a healthy calorie level, which is a minimum of 1200, then you won't bulk. My base calorie level is 1300. When I work out, I wear an HRM to track the calories. I always eat back some, if not all, of my calories burned. If I didn't, I wouldn't have the energy to fuel my exercise routine in any kind of sustainable way. When you start lifting, that's when you really start to feel when you aren't eating enough.
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I suggest you start a walking, jogging routine. Walk until you legs feel good, then jog slowly, when you are tired then walk. Keep repeating this for 30 to 45 mins. In a few days you will notice that you are joggong more than you are walking and then you are on your way. I don't know how old the pic in your bikini is but if it is resent then you are eating too much. Get at least 80 gs of protein each day. Protein burns fat. You should be at least of 1200 to 1500 calories, depending on how much you work out
Basil
I eat too much? everyone is telling me to eat more? the picture is from last summer and i was barely eating (because of some personal problems) for 3-4 months and I was walking, playing tennis and swimming every night.0 -
I suggest you start a walking, jogging routine. Walk until you legs feel good, then jog slowly, when you are tired then walk. Keep repeating this for 30 to 45 mins. In a few days you will notice that you are joggong more than you are walking and then you are on your way. I don't know how old the pic in your bikini is but if it is resent then you are eating too much. Get at least 80 gs of protein each day. Protein burns fat. You should be at least of 1200 to 1500 calories, depending on how much you work out
Basil
I eat too much? everyone is telling me to eat more? the picture is from last summer and i was barely eating (because of some personal problems) for 3-4 months and I was walking, playing tennis and swimming every night.
Please ignore that entire post....it is full of fail.0
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