No Red Meat or Chicken for Weight Loss

I only buy cage free eggs, because I think it's cruel to keep them caged their whole lives. they are living creatures.

You realize that, left to their own "natural" outcome, humans die!

No, they don't. Left to their own natural outcome, humans invent farming and become the planet's dominant species.

Logic of your statement is well ridiculous, comparing animal behavior in nature to factory farming is flawed.

I didn't make a single comment regarding, about or related to "factory farming". Which "logic" are you referring to, specifically?

Can't believe I need to dignify this with a response but oh well.

You realize that, left to their own "natural" outcome, humans die!

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No, they don't. Left to their own natural outcome, humans invent farming and become the planet's dominant species

Um yes humans die, if you are aware of a method to stop this eventual "natural" outcome you sir will be very rich and please PM me the secret you possess for immortality.

I didn't make a single comment regarding, about or related to "factory farming". Which "logic" are you referring to, specifically?

OP's thread besides talking about weight loss (which is obviously caused by a calorie deficit no matter what her dietary preference) had made several references to cruel conditions within the "meat" industry so pardon me if I observed you comparing animals in the wild to factory farming as your reply was directly in response to her talking about humans raising livestock and cattle.

I love eggs too. I eat eggs like they're going out of style. I also eat beef, pork, and fish. My bf is a tuna fisherman, so I love me some sashimi, literally straight out of the ocean.

Yes, this is absolutely correct. Except when living animals are mass-produced in a small, confining area, horrible things tend to happen. Like pigs eating other pigs, chicken feet actually growing into the cages and they simply cut the toes off, and some cattle being skinned and slaughtered while still alive. There were also other descriptions that turned me off to these particular mass-producing industries. I have looked into free-range meat and chicken, but they are very expensive.

Free-range or mass produced, all end up slaughtered, so there are no "happy cows" even on the free range farms.
I know that is not what this discussion is about, just pointing it out. Free range still means a life is being taken so you can fill your plate.

I love eggs too. I eat eggs like they're going out of style. I also eat beef, pork, and fish. My bf is a tuna fisherman, so I love me some sashimi, literally straight out of the ocean.

So over-fishing a species to near extinction is okay, but caging chickens is just mean. Got it.

I love eggs too. I eat eggs like they're going out of style. I also eat beef, pork, and fish. My bf is a tuna fisherman, so I love me some sashimi, literally straight out of the ocean.

So over-fishing a species to near extinction is okay, but caging chickens is just mean. Got it.

In case you were unaware, there is a place off the coast of San Diego called the Tuna Farms, where they breed tuna (much like cattle) in extremely large floating cages.. think like a mile in diameter. This way, they can produce farmed tuna that is tasty and fresh without depleting the ocean of wild tuna. There, now you know. learning is fun!

...so pardon me if I observed you comparing animals in the wild to factory farming...

No, I will not, as you cannot have made any such observation as I never made any such comparison.

But if you like me to pardon you for jumping to an unwarranted assumption or conclusion - that I could do!

Maybe you should read your reply in context to what you quoted, was not an unwarranted assumption, just an observation...

I am reading a book that (among other topics) describes how cattle, pigs, and chickens are mass produced for big food companies in big warehouses instead of free-range style. The descriptions made me want to give up meat and chicken, something I never thought I would do.

You realize that, left to their own "natural" outcome, chickens and cows would pretty much always be eaten alive, right? Literally.

Have you ever seen a cat catch, and then eat a rabbit? While the rabbit is still twitching? It's ugly out there...

ETA: My apologies, should not have asked you for a pardon, as I never get overly concerned about strangers opinions of me.

In case you were unaware, there is a place off the coast of San Diego called the Tuna Farms, where they breed tuna (much like cattle) in extremely large floating cages.. think like a mile in diameter. This way, they can produce farmed tuna that is tasty and fresh without depleting the ocean of wild tuna. There, now you know. learning is fun!

So caging fish is ok, but caging chickens isn't?

One of my neighbours was a pioneer in aquaculture - those fish-pens are *packed*.

I love eggs too. I eat eggs like they're going out of style. I also eat beef, pork, and fish. My bf is a tuna fisherman, so I love me some sashimi, literally straight out of the ocean.

So over-fishing a species to near extinction is okay, but caging chickens is just mean. Got it.

In case you were unaware, there is a place off the coast of San Diego called the Tuna Farms, where they breed tuna (much like cattle) in extremely large floating cages.. think like a mile in diameter. This way, they can produce farmed tuna that is tasty and fresh without depleting the ocean of wild tuna. There, now you know. learning is fun!

You mean like this? Oh well. Doesn't look so promising.

"However, Clean Seas announced right before Christmas that it was suspending its breeding program for southern bluefin tuna (SBT). “The volume and quantity of fertilised eggs produced to date has been disappointing compared to other seasons,” the company said in a statement to the Australian stock exchange. “Whilst the Company continues to believe in the commercialisation potential of the successful closure of the SBT lifecycle, investment beyond the Company’s current financial resources will be required for this goal to be achieved.” Clean Seas stock traded at 2 Australian dollars in 2008 and now trades at 2 Australian cents."

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-01-08/farm-raised-tuna-may-not-be-the-answer-to-overfishing

get organic, grass fed poultry. red meat is good, but i'd cut it to 1-2 times a week (that's what i do). same goes for the beef. throw some vegetarian meals in there every once in a while (or meatless meals, for things like broth). it helps cut costs or balance them because the organic meat is more expensive. i would also suggest range free eggs!

This! Go Paleo!

Eh ... Legumes, fruit, and (antibiotic and hormone free, preferably organic, better yet, grass-fed, but not a necessity, just hormone and antibiotic free will do) dairy, are demons to be avoided (unless you have an intolerance or allergy) ... Just eating a diet that consist of mainly unprocessed (or minimally processed) whole foods will work just the same ...