Guide to calorie deficits

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  • pitapocket
    pitapocket Posts: 287 Member
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    bump
  • stroutman81
    stroutman81 Posts: 2,474 Member
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    I'm a PT, but I wrote this before certified, I've just been on here a long time, and have done a heck of a lot of research is all.

    thanks!

    Gotcha. Nice to see a PT who actually goes out of his way to research. Far too few of them in this field, nowadays.
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,031 Member
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    this keeps coming up. hmmmmm. BUMP
  • eepidee
    eepidee Posts: 6 Member
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    Hello Folks,

    So often people personal message me asking me if I think their calories are correct. It seems that people think there is some magical formula that only a very few can figure out. I see so many people on here just popping in numbers and following them heedless of what the numbers mean. I feel it's ULTRA important to know why MFP (and me, and a few others) gives you certain numbers. To that end I will try to empower YOU to be able to understand the basics about calories, calorie deficits, and why we recommend eating exercise calories. With this knowledge you should be able to easily figure out what your calories should be at for reasonable, healthy weight loss. So without further ado, lets get started.

    1st things first, a few givens must be stated:

    -Everyone's body is slightly different. ALWAYS keep in mind your numbers may not be exactly what MFP thinks simply because everyone's bodies all burn energy at a different rate. Tweaking may be needed.

    - MFP's goals wizard is a "dumb" tool. That means it doesn't care whether a specific goal is healthy and/or right for you, it just subtracts the goal deficit from projected maintenance calories. This means that even if you shouldn't be trying for a 2 lb a week loss, MFP won't care, it will still try to help you get there.

    -1200 calories is a generic number. It's not right for everyone. It's a baseline minimum given out as a floor by MFP based on prior research by the medical community. NOT everyone will need a minimum of 1200, very small people can go under, and bigger people need more.


    OK with those facts firmly set in your mind (please go back and re-read the givens until you have them firmly planted in your skull!), we can continue. Figuring out your perfect deficit isn't magic, it's a few simple formula's base on some basic, worldwide standards, and generally with slight modefication, will work for just about anyone who (besides weight) is generally healthy.

    Here's what you need:
    Height, weight, age, activity level, sex

    NOTE: activity level isn't as mysterious as it sounds. If you have a desk job, and do very little walking throughout the day and don't really perform any sports or physical activities, then you are sedentary, if you do some walking every day (or at least 4 days a week) or other light activity for at least 30 minutes cumulative at least 4 times a week, you are lightly active. If you do 60 minutes of light activity 5 days a week or do some kind of sport that requires walking or light jogging (say swimming or mailman or warehouse employee) then you are active, If you do a physically demanding activity (one that makes you sweat) for 4 days a week or more and for more than 1 hour a day, you are very active (like a coach that runs drills or you play volleyball). When in doubt, go down 1 level, you'd rather burn more than you think than less.

    With all these numbers you can generate your BMI. Now I realize BMI is flawed, but for what we're doing it's good enough. After years on here, and doing lots and lots of research, I've been able to associate general BMI ranges with approximate goal levels. This works for about 80 to 85% of people out there (there's always a few that are outside the curve).

    So now we can figure out where your goal should be.
    Go to the tools section and figure out your BMI:

    Generally someone with a BMI over 32 can do a 1000 calorie a day (2 lbs a week) deficit
    With a BMI of 30 to 32 a deficit of 750 calories is generally correct (about 1.5 lbs a week)
    With a BMI of 28 to 30 a deficit of 500 calories is about right (about 1 lb a week)
    With a BMI of 26 to 28 a deficit of about 300 calories is perfect (about 1/2 lb a week)
    and below 26... well this is where we get fuzzy. See now you're no longer talking about being overweight, so while it's still ok to have a small deficit, you really should shift your focus more towards muscle tone, and reducing fat. This means is EXTRA important to eat your exercise calories as your body needs to KNOW it's ok to burn fat stores, and the only way it will know is if you keep giving it the calories it needs to not enter the famine response (starvation mode)

    With this quick guide you can figure out your goal rather easily. I know many people will say "I can't eat my exercise calories, I gain weight when I do". Well I have news for you, that's not correct. I submit this, if you eat your exercise calories and gain weight 1 of 3 things happened:
    1 you were previously in starvation mode, and you upped your calories, and had an immediate weight gain, that's normal, to be expected, and necessary to get your body on track. Give it a month, that will stop, and you, once again, will begin to lose, but this time, in a healthy manner.
    2 you incorrectly calculated something, either your exercise calories, your calorie intake, or you put in to large of a goal. Go back and check all your numbers.
    3 you haven't given it enough time to work. This site promotes HEALTHY weight loss people. Healthy weight loss doesn't happen in days or weeks, it takes months and years. Each change you make in how you eat needs a month or more to work, be patient, give it time. It will happen.

    And to everyone who has a trainer that doesn't agree with eating your exercise calories. I also submit this: In 90% of the cases (and I have talked to a LOT of trainers about this exact topic) they actually DO agree with this method, you just explained it wrong.
    Just saying to a trainer "should I eat my exercise calories?" isn't enough, you have to explain to them that MFP already generates a deficit prior to any exercise, therefore the deficit will remain whether you exercise or not. Once you give them that idea, and you are relatively sure they understand the concept then I'll bet they change their tune.

    I hope this helps, it's pretty straight forward if you've been here a while, and to you new guys, I recommend going to the message boards link, clicking on the "general diet and weight loss" area, and clicking on those first few posts that have the little mouse trap next to them, they are sticky and will always be there, and are a wealth of knowledge about this site, exercise calories, starvation mode...etc.

    regards,

    -Banks
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
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    I'm bumping for someone who wanted to figure out their activity levels.
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
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    I'm performing a self-bump here, cuz I think this is a useful tool, hopefully others do as well.
  • Kamila02
    Kamila02 Posts: 54 Member
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    Love reading your stuff man! AND I especially love that you share it with the masses. It helps keep us on track and keep us better informed...

    You're such a blessing!
  • lotusfromthemud
    lotusfromthemud Posts: 5,335 Member
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    You know what, I frickin love this post.
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
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    why thank you viv!
  • lotusfromthemud
    lotusfromthemud Posts: 5,335 Member
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    bump...
  • thelgeson
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    bump and save
  • cardbucfan
    cardbucfan Posts: 10,396 Member
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    Thanks for bumping this. Hadn't seen it and it's very helpful. I've got a question for you about activity level. I consider myself lightly active and that is how my activity level is set. I'm a stay home mom so spend a lot of time running (driving!) errands, picking up the house, and doing all that mom stuff. But I work out really hard 6 days a week. So should I change my level? I'm losing right now and feel just fine with the number of calories I have to eat each day and generally don't eat back all my exercise calories. (Reason being, I don't back out my existence calories from my HRM calories, I taste when I cook and like having a little cushion in case I don't figure food calories correctly). Thanks!
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
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    Thanks for bumping this. Hadn't seen it and it's very helpful. I've got a question for you about activity level. I consider myself lightly active and that is how my activity level is set. I'm a stay home mom so spend a lot of time running (driving!) errands, picking up the house, and doing all that mom stuff. But I work out really hard 6 days a week. So should I change my level? I'm losing right now and feel just fine with the number of calories I have to eat each day and generally don't eat back all my exercise calories. (Reason being, I don't back out my existence calories from my HRM calories, I taste when I cook and like having a little cushion in case I don't figure food calories correctly). Thanks!

    it's really up to you. if you consider the exercise as part of your daily life, then you could (I stress could as opposed to should) set your activity level higher, but the problem with that is that it's less accurate than putting in your exercise calories manually. I.E. if you used your daily exercise as a way to boost your daily activity level, you can't still take those calories (or all of them at least) as extra, and since activity level is pretty generic, you're either going to be overestimating a bit or underestimating a bit. So I'd say leave it where it is, and just record the exercise calories.
  • cardbucfan
    cardbucfan Posts: 10,396 Member
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    Thanks, I agree with that idea.
  • NMay50
    NMay50 Posts: 40 Member
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    Bump... Thanks for sharing!
  • Yarnpiggie
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    Thanks for this, and I think I have my head wrapped around it, but I just need to clarify one in thing in my brainzzzz) If I am eating my "goal" calories every day (let's say 1750) and i work out and burn calories (let's say 250 calories)... if i eat 2000 calories, in theory I am good right?

    I understand that everybody's body is different and the tool is only as good as everybody being exactly the same. I am just trying to figure make sure that I am not supposed to be leaving a deficit on the tool of 1200 calories each day. (and I think I just answered my own question here. I think that if i were doing that, in theory I would only be getting 550 calories worth of food each day, right?)

    Sometimes you have to get the crayons out and draw the picture for me...lol
  • lotusfromthemud
    lotusfromthemud Posts: 5,335 Member
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    Thanks for this, and I think I have my head wrapped around it, but I just need to clarify one in thing in my brainzzzz) If I am eating my "goal" calories every day (let's say 1750) and i work out and burn calories (let's say 250 calories)... if i eat 2000 calories, in theory I am good right?



    Sometimes you have to get the crayons out and draw the picture for me...lol

    yes. The easiest thing is to let MFP do the math for you, and aim to "zero out" your goal every day. :flowerforyou:
  • Yarnpiggie
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    sweet! Thank you. That is what I have been doing (sort of... never quite to zero but that is what has been in my head) and suddenly panicked that I was doing it wrong.
  • ChellieIrish
    ChellieIrish Posts: 592 Member
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    :heart: This deserves another bump thanks for sharing :drinker:
  • jrobertson37
    jrobertson37 Posts: 90 Member
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    LUV YA BOSS!!! For explaining the different activity levels. I do have a desk job but i take the stairs, im constantly going back in forth to my boss' office, etc. On top of that i work out atleast 45-60 mins 4 times per week. Im doing kettlebells so i only work out 4 times. That thing wears my body out!!! By the way before i lost the weight i noticed that the more i exercised, the more i ate, the more weight i lost.