Anyone else not believe in "starvation mode?"
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Me! I loathe that term.
Starvation occurs when your body has exhausted its reserves and must now break down vital tissue (such as heart muscle) in order to keep you alive. It would be a very painful mode, indeed. It would take a LONG time to get to that point.0 -
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”
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ha ha.. yes there is such a thing called "starvation mode" - i am sure it kicks in sometime after months and months of being starved - like in a prison or something..0
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I agree with this, what I don't agree with is the often touted view that weight loss will reverse - just bonkers!People using the term incorrectly doesn't mean that the biological process doesn't exist. The body strives to keep you alive no matter what, and in prolonged nutrition deficiency your body will automatically slow metabolic processes.0 -
The evidence does not show that the majority of overweight dieters will enter 'starvation mode' as the term defined scientifically.
Belief have nothing to do with it, though you wouldn't know that on these bbs the way the term is tossed around and folks cling to it like any other urban myth.0 -
Does zero calories exist in real whole foods? Maybe only in processed food where calories are "isolated"
Even vegetables and fruits do have some calories.
Boils down to the quality of food. Better to chow on white rice for calories than on refined sugar!0 -
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”
Haha! Great minds and all that...0 -
Does zero calories exist in real whole foods? Maybe only in processed food where calories are "isolated"
Even vegetables and fruits do have some calories.
Boils down to the quality of food. Better to chow on white rice for calories than on refined sugar!
Boy, you really have trouble staying on topic, don't you?0 -
yes, it's not really a real thing. There was a great article about it somewhere, talked about the Holocaust and a Minnesota experiment among other sources. Basically said, if there was a "starvation" mode wouldn't you have seen photos of normal looking chubby people in concentration camps? You've got the gist of the argument, there is indeed some slowing of metabolism but to a much smaller degree than most people think, AND you have to be approaching level of base-body fat % to really get an effect from it.
Yep. Starvation mode exists but it is not what people in most health forums THINK it is. Most people that talk about starvation mode on here have never read the original studies and have no idea what they are talking about.
Exactly. Starvation Mode is a real thing. However, it's a misapplied concept to anyone is a western society. When I think starvation mode, I think concentration camp, walking across Siberia type stuff. Slowing motabolism because you've cut a few calories? In general terms, No.
What does walking across Siberia type stuff have to do with starvation mode?
I get what you are trying to say but you should mention the concentration camps in Siberia and other countries
Did the people in the Siberian camps eat protein and fiber or merely simple carbs?
I dont know but what Im saying the way I read that persons post didnt come across as to making sense...yes Siberians were in concentration camps therefore suffered from starvation mode0 -
I for one do not believe hat starvation mode is the way to loose weight. It does more harm than god when you deprive yourself of the needed nutrients to be healthy--I have always felt that portion control is the way to go!!!! I am walking proof that it works!!!
ummm, not sure I understand this...
I like the idea of 'hat starvation' (always hated hats) and that it causes more harm than God!0 -
I was commenting on this:
'Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES "
if it is all about calories, would you be willing to take your 1200 calories from refined sugars? (white cane, HFCS, etc)0 -
It's been proven to be a myth. That's why it's unbelievable.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Starvation_Experiment
but the report shows that it has a real effect though so I don't understand why you say this. Your statement is opposite to the evidence you have provided ????
The full report of results from the Minnesota Starvation Experiment was published in 1950 in a two-volume, 1,385 page text entitled The Biology of Human Starvation (University of Minnesota Press). The 50-chapter work contains an extensive analysis of the physiological and psychological data collected during the study, and a comprehensive literature review.
Among the conclusions from the study was the confirmation that prolonged semi-starvation produces significant increases in depression, hysteria and hypochondriasis as measured using the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. Indeed, most of the subjects experienced periods of severe emotional distress and depression.[1]:161 There were extreme reactions to the psychological effects during the experiment including self-mutilation (one subject amputated three fingers of his hand with an axe, though the subject was unsure if he had done so intentionally or accidentally).[5] Participants exhibited a preoccupation with food, both during the starvation period and the rehabilitation phase. Sexual interest was drastically reduced, and the volunteers showed signs of social withdrawal and isolation.[1]:123-124 The participants reported a decline in concentration, comprehension and judgment capabilities, although the standardized tests administered showed no actual signs of diminished capacity. There were marked declines in physiological processes indicative of decreases in each subject’s basal metabolic rate (the energy required by the body in a state of rest), reflected in reduced body temperature, respiration and heart rate. Some of the subjects exhibited edema in their extremities, presumably due to decreased levels of plasma proteins given that the body's ability to construct key proteins like albumin is based on available energy sources.0 -
Does zero calories exist in real whole foods? Maybe only in processed food where calories are "isolated"
Even vegetables and fruits do have some calories.
Boils down to the quality of food. Better to chow on white rice for calories than on refined sugar!
did you even read the topic????0 -
Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..
starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO
Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES
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Does zero calories exist in real whole foods? Maybe only in processed food where calories are "isolated"
Even vegetables and fruits do have some calories.
Boils down to the quality of food. Better to chow on white rice for calories than on refined sugar!
Yes.0 -
Does zero calories exist in real whole foods? Maybe only in processed food where calories are "isolated"
Even vegetables and fruits do have some calories.
Boils down to the quality of food. Better to chow on white rice for calories than on refined sugar!
did you even read the topic????
Would you prefer to take your calorie from white can refine sugar white rice, quinoa, whole wheat?0 -
I think many of these articles are too obsessed with calories rather than the ratio of carbs, protein and fiber.
if you eat more fiber than protein and even more less carbs, you will feel less hungry, thus allowing your body to use stored fat. And the starvation theory does not even make more sense especially given that eating fiber makes you feel more full in the longer period. You can make an experiment for one day. For a meal, eat only veggies and meat/fish and time how long it takes for you to feel hungry. Then take carb rich meal and time it too. You'll feel less hungry when you eat veggies and meat/fish over carb laden food.
I think the weight issue has more to do with "digestion". If your stomach is empty, the brain thinks you will need to eat regardless of the fat in your body and slows down metabolism. If you have something in your stomach that is digested slower, your brain won't think your body is starving.
It is related.
Your body does not necessarily burn fat when you are hungry. Your body burns more fat if you are less hungry and your stomach is filled with fiber.
Carbs are converted to stored fat.
Fat comes in many form. Carbs are converted to fat. Meat and fish contain their own fat. There are good and bad fats.
no. all wrong. sorry.
again, please read up on these concepts and come back when you are able to contribute to the actual subject at hand.
@ hayleyd516 NICELY PUT0 -
"Starvation Mode" is real, but many people that use the term don't really understand what it really is.
The body is always in a state of flux, but if your deficit is too large that your body cannot break down fat stores fast enough, then your body will begin to use muscle as fuel, as well as reducing non-life sustaining functions. This will effect hair, nails, skin, alertness, energy, etc. The result is a slightly lower BMR, meaning the deficit that you thought was 1000 cals/day, may really only be 800 or so, due to your body reacting to the large deficit to "preserve" itself. So the downside is a slower than expected weight loss.
There is also the issue of malnutrition, Many on VLCD do not get the required micro nutrients and over time can have negative health side effects.
^^^ Thanks for knowing what you talk about, very refreshing :-)0 -
i don't think it happens as soon as they try to say. but technically they are saying 'starvation mode' not 'starvation'. what they mean, at least from what I can understand, is that the body mocks what it will do when starving. your body will do what it needs to do to survive. and reserving fat is one of those things. you are by no means going to starve any time soon, but you will lose the weight slower. that's all they are trying to say. they don't mean you are going to die. hope that helps. :flowerforyou:0
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\Does zero calories exist in real whole foods? Maybe only in processed food where calories are "isolated"
Even vegetables and fruits do have some calories.
Boils down to the quality of food. Better to chow on white rice for calories than on refined sugar!
Yes.
Yes, Coke Zero! Zero Calories. Processed. Calories isolated.0 -
Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..
starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO
Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES
/end thread
I think you said what I said...0 -
Does zero calories exist in real whole foods? Maybe only in processed food where calories are "isolated"
Even vegetables and fruits do have some calories.
Boils down to the quality of food. Better to chow on white rice for calories than on refined sugar!
did you even read the topic????
Would you prefer to take your calorie from white can refine sugar white rice, quinoa, whole wheat?
Actually, I would prefer if your posts made sense.0 -
\Does zero calories exist in real whole foods? Maybe only in processed food where calories are "isolated"
Even vegetables and fruits do have some calories.
Boils down to the quality of food. Better to chow on white rice for calories than on refined sugar!
Yes.
Yes, Coke Zero! Zero Calories. Processed. Calories isolated.
I'm sorry you missed the sarcasm. I really have no idea what you're saying has to do with this topic. You aren't even using complete thoughts.0 -
"Starvation Mode" is real, but many people that use the term don't really understand what it really is.
The body is always in a state of flux, but if your deficit is too large that your body cannot break down fat stores fast enough, then your body will begin to use muscle as fuel, as well as reducing non-life sustaining functions. This will effect hair, nails, skin, alertness, energy, etc. The result is a slightly lower BMR, meaning the deficit that you thought was 1000 cals/day, may really only be 800 or so, due to your body reacting to the large deficit to "preserve" itself. So the downside is a slower than expected weight loss.
There is also the issue of malnutrition, Many on VLCD do not get the required micro nutrients and over time can have negative health side effects.
yeah, he put it better. I am not scientifical. i try to dumb things down for me to understand... LMAO.
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In, because I like where this is headed.
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Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..
starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO
Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES
/end thread
I think you said what I said...
Water is "whole" food? Who on earth EATS on water?
And "fasting" on water negates the importance of calories.
Substituting fiberous food is better. Has water, still has calories, keeps you full (hence, not slowing down metabolism)0 -
\Does zero calories exist in real whole foods? Maybe only in processed food where calories are "isolated"
Even vegetables and fruits do have some calories.
Boils down to the quality of food. Better to chow on white rice for calories than on refined sugar!
Yes.
Yes, Coke Zero! Zero Calories. Processed. Calories isolated.
I'm sorry you missed the sarcasm. I really have no idea what you're saying has to do with this topic. You aren't even using complete thoughts.
Not my problem if you did not even get the sarcastic tone in that said post and in my reply.0 -
In, because I like where this is headed.
me too. The lack of sleep last night I was gonna try to nap and perhaps maybe go into "starvation mode" lmfao jk but this is better then napping0 -
Dr Jason Fung on "calories in, calories out"
Very interesting perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0
6 parts all in all0 -
Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..
starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO
Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES
/end thread
I think you said what I said...
Water is "whole" food? Who on earth EATS on water?
And "fasting" on water negates the importance of calories.
Substituting fiberous food is better. Has water, still has calories, keeps you full (hence, not slowing down metabolism)
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