Anyone else not believe in "starvation mode?"

oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..

starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO

Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES

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Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.

I think you said what I said...

Water is "whole" food? Who on earth EATS on water?

And "fasting" on water negates the importance of calories.

Substituting fiberous food is better. Has water, still has calories, keeps you full (hence, not slowing down metabolism)

So in for this.

oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..

starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO

Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES

/end thread

Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.

I think you said what I said...

Water is "whole" food? Who on earth EATS on water?

And "fasting" on water negates the importance of calories.

Substituting fiberous food is better. Has water, still has calories, keeps you full (hence, not slowing down metabolism)

enough internetz for you today...

You "EAT" water?

Meanwhile, enjoy your calories from HFCS, white refined sugar and say hello diabetes

I eat water. Get at me, bro.

I Believe!! Seriously, I do. I just don't think it's as big a deal as some people seem to think it is.

I've done a medically monitored, VERY controlled, 600 calorie per day diet. I was given 3 shakes a day to consume, no more, no less. Even following that to absolute perfection, there would still be an occasional week where I just didn't lose. WTF. However, I still lost TONS of weight super fast and for many months (about 6 months). So, while I may have seen a week or two of no loss, the net effect of "starvation mode" was negligible.

That being said, when I went back to regular food, my metabolism was slower, my muscle mass was depleted and my body/mind craved SUGAR. That paired with the program not really preparing me for the "real" world, and the fast weight loss giving me a skewed idea of how easy it is to gain/lose weight (i.e., 6lbs is nothing, I can lose that in 2 weeks without even trying), I gained the weight back, and then some.. So while "starvation mode" wont keep you from losing weight, I still wouldn't recommend going for a huge deficit. Physiologically, and for the long term, a huge deficit may be fast weight loss, but probably not long-term weight loss. Slow and steady wins the race.

But I'm not a doctor, and obviously not an expert or I wouldn't be here...fat and struggling. Lulz. So don't listen to me. I'll just putter off elsewhere.

Makes me wonder, do Koreans and Japanese "count" their calories and fat intake obsessively or do they just have better portioned diet? They also walk more than most North Americans, which eliminates the "need" to go to the gym weekly.

Both countries have less than 5% obesity rates.

No, I suspect this is not the case. I think I'm going with your own answer - that greed is less socially acceptable, they are more physically active and the most commonly eaten foods are lower in fat and/or calories.
OR they have discovered fat-melting magic fairy dust and are refusing to share with the rest of the world!!

oh hello again starvation mode myth thread..

starvation mode from eating 1200 cals a day or skipping snack 23 out of 24 = NO

Starvation mode from eating zero calories for a prolonged period greater than 72 hours = YES

/end thread

Zero calories (only water) for any period of time = fasting, NOT starvation. Greater than 72 hours =/= starvation.

I think you said what I said...

Not quite...I'm clarifying that starvation does not occur after 72 hours.

I believe I said a "pro longed period greater than 72 hours" will lead to starvation mode....but you should be able to read that for yourself...I think...

So you've eaten only water in 24 hours? Wow, 0 calories in one day. You're prolly "a veggie" in 48 hours

The way I understand it any time you are in a prolonged deficit your body switches to be more efficient with the cals it has available. I believe the "starvation mode" that people are terrified about, where your body goes into survival mode and shuts down any system it can to preserve energy doesn't happen till fat stores drop to dangerous levels. The thing that is dangerous about vcld while still having excess fat stores is lack of essential nutrients such as vitamins and minerals. This is why they need to be supervised by someone who can watch these levels through blood tests.

you are actually referring to metabolic adaptation, not starvation mode...

What's the difference? Serious question*

Added Response to Peach: Oh, also Asians (and I'm being very general here) don't generally believe that females with muscle mass is attractive. Thus it's actually MORE of an insult to say you look muscular then to say someone's fat. They, very very generally speaking, idealize the thin academic look. So yes, less Asians in Southeast Asia go to the gym. I think the culture around exercise and what looks fit is changing though...

Makes me wonder, do Koreans and Japanese "count" their calories and fat intake obsessively or do they just have better portioned diet? They also walk more than most North Americans, which eliminates the "need" to go to the gym weekly.

Both countries have less than 5% obesity rates.

Just remember good fats are good for the body. Fat doesnt make us "Fat"

Unhealthy fats is what consumes most of Americans Diet therefore thats why we are an obese country

We are an obese country because (in general) we eat more calories than we burn. I don't see how dietary fats come into play here.

America is fat because of the poor food quality. Poor kinds of carb people eat and food that are loaded with different kinds of sugar. In America, everything has to be "sweet"(aka loaded with sugar). Chickens, Cows, Hogs fed with antibiotics, GMO crops (usually to be resistant to pesticides)...

This is a very good lecture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpllomiDMX0