Low Carb Diet

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  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    Low carb does not come with any health or weight loss benefits.

    Actually, they do. As someone else pointed out, it will lower cholesterol and triglycerides. It helps with diabetes and stabilizes insulin production. Scientific, published, clinical trials have shown superiority of low carb diets.

    You should take a biochemistry class and learn something.

    Funny that weight loss and exercise have the same benefits as low carb weight loss and exercise. Fascinating.
  • takumaku
    takumaku Posts: 352 Member
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    This is why low carb diets are generally a poor idea. They unnecessarily make "real world" eating scenarios harder.

    Low carb does not come with any health or weight loss benefits.


    I remember hearing a similiar statement being made when the Vegetarian lifestyle and Ornish (low-fat) lifestyle each hit mainstream. Some of us have medical conditions and benefit greatly from this lifestyle. Different strokes for different folks. Adherence is have the battle.
  • mamma_nee
    mamma_nee Posts: 809 Member
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    This is why low carb diets are generally a poor idea. They unnecessarily make "real world" eating scenarios harder.

    Low carb does not come with any health or weight loss benefits.


    I remember hearing a similiar statement being made when the Vegetarian lifestyle and Ornish (low-fat) lifestyle each hit mainstream. Some of us have medical conditions and benefit greatly from this lifestyle. Different strokes for different folks. Adherence is have the battle.

    That
  • ajaxe432
    ajaxe432 Posts: 608 Member
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    In reality, it is a grey area! You put a topic up on the forums your going to get the MFP regulars who comment on everything thinking they are right (sometimes they are, sometimes not)! Do what works for you:) If you feel okay doing, then do it! If not then dont!
    As for me, I have been on a low carb diet for quite some time with a good exercise regimen. I am doing quite fine, regardless of what scienfic evidence tells me;)
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    the MFP regulars who comment on everything thinking they are right

    What a meaningless statement. I can't think of anyone who posts things they think are wrong.

    Everyone who posts thinks the things they say are right. Otherwise they wouldn't say them.
  • ajaxe432
    ajaxe432 Posts: 608 Member
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    the MFP regulars who comment on everything thinking they are right

    What a meaningless statement. I can't think of anyone who posts things they think are wrong.

    Everyone who posts thinks the things they say are right. Otherwise they wouldn't say them.
    Haha! Is it really meaningless? I mean, I do not think it was meaningless? As for that, they probably should cite or read a book before posting. I have seen way too much info out there that is incorrect, and people swear by it. By the way, why are you always out looking for an argument on here?? Just curious?
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    the MFP regulars who comment on everything thinking they are right

    What a meaningless statement. I can't think of anyone who posts things they think are wrong.

    Everyone who posts thinks the things they say are right. Otherwise they wouldn't say them.
    Haha! Is it really meaningless? I mean, I do not think it was meaningless? As for that, they probably should cite or read a book before posting. I have seen way too much info out there that is incorrect, and people swear by it. By the way, why are you always out looking for an argument on here?? Just curious?

    I'm inclined to ask you that, because you spend a lot of time talking about the "regulars who always think they're right." Seriously, look through your post history. Half your posts are about the nameless "them" or "regulars" or whatever who do things you don't like.

    But I actually won't ask it, because I don't care about pointless arguments. I care about information.
  • ajaxe432
    ajaxe432 Posts: 608 Member
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    the MFP regulars who comment on everything thinking they are right

    What a meaningless statement. I can't think of anyone who posts things they think are wrong.

    Everyone who posts thinks the things they say are right. Otherwise they wouldn't say them.
    Haha! Is it really meaningless? I mean, I do not think it was meaningless? As for that, they probably should cite or read a book before posting. I have seen way too much info out there that is incorrect, and people swear by it. By the way, why are you always out looking for an argument on here?? Just curious?

    I'm inclined to ask you that, because you spend a lot of time talking about the "regulars who always think they're right." Seriously, look through your post history. Half your posts are about the nameless "them" or "regulars" or whatever who do things you don't like.

    But I actually won't ask it, because I don't care about pointless arguments. I care about information.
    Really half? Geeshh....I did not know you were a detective...I have yet to even look at your profile pic, let alone check out your post history...and I wont. I know whats valid and whats not as I have my credentials. I respect you care about information, but make sure you get it from the right source! Well Im done here, have a nice evening!:drinker:
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    I have yet to even look at your profile pic, let alone check out your post history...

    And yet:
    By the way, why are you always out looking for an argument on here?? Just curious?
    [/quote]

    Hmm.
  • xoemmytee
    xoemmytee Posts: 162 Member
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    Guys let's not get too polarized here. Low carb works for some, and not for others. It can have health benefits for some people (those with PCOS, epilepsy, type two diabetes) and it can cause people to lose weight more easily because they're not hungry all the time. People have different tolerance to carbohydrates. One person's ideal intake could be 300g and another person might need to eat less that 50 to lose weight successfully (whether that be because of hunger control or magical fat burning voodoo, you decide.) . Stop trying to force your diet philosophies upon each other. You will only make people on the other side of the argument more polarized with generalizations and outrageous, misinformed claims. Just stick to what works for you and stop giving a damn about what other people are doing.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
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    Guys let's not get too polarized here. Low carb works for some, and not for others. It can have health benefits for some people (those with PCOS, epilepsy, type two diabetes) and it can cause people to lose weight more easily because they're not hungry all the time. People have different tolerance to carbohydrates. One person's ideal intake could be 300g and another person might need to eat less that 50 to lose weight successfully (whether that be because of hunger control or magical fat burning voodoo, you decide.) . Stop trying to force your diet philosophies upon each other. You will only make people on the other side of the argument more polarized with generalizations and outrageous, misinformed claims. Just stick to what works for you and stop giving a damn about what other people are doing.
    Great post. It won't help, but great post.
    I'll add another group of folks who often find lowering and slowing their carbs to be helpful: menopausal and post-menopausal women.
  • sassyjae21
    sassyjae21 Posts: 1,217 Member
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    Guys let's not get too polarized here. Low carb works for some, and not for others. It can have health benefits for some people (those with PCOS, epilepsy, type two diabetes) and it can cause people to lose weight more easily because they're not hungry all the time. People have different tolerance to carbohydrates. One person's ideal intake could be 300g and another person might need to eat less that 50 to lose weight successfully (whether that be because of hunger control or magical fat burning voodoo, you decide.) . Stop trying to force your diet philosophies upon each other. You will only make people on the other side of the argument more polarized with generalizations and outrageous, misinformed claims. Just stick to what works for you and stop giving a damn about what other people are doing.

    I agree. I think that if people are happy and healthy, they should do whatever works for them. It's up to them to determine if it's going to be sustainable or not, and they can make the change from there.

    That being said, I just think other posters don't want people to think it's the only way to lose weight. It is a way, but following just a regular deficit calorie diet will also do the trick just as easily. But I definitely think it's up to each person to decide what is best for them! If it's making a positive, difference in your life and you are losing, and you can sustain it, I think that's great!
  • ajaxe432
    ajaxe432 Posts: 608 Member
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    I have yet to even look at your profile pic, let alone check out your post history...

    And yet:
    By the way, why are you always out looking for an argument on here?? Just curious?

    Hmm.


    [/quote]Hmmm.....I guess memory of previous post would have nothing to do with it. I remember your pic as skiing! Geeesshhhh man, take a pill.
  • kiramaniac
    kiramaniac Posts: 800 Member
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    I've followed keto for the last 15 months. Keto is low carb, moderate protein, and high fat. There are some great low carb and keto support forums here on MFP.

    Keto Forum: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/1143-keto
    Reddit Keto Forum: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/1494-reddit-keto
    Low Carb / High Fat: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/7705-low-carb-high-fat-lifestyle
    Low Carber Daily Forum: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-group

    If you want to check out keto, here are some additional resources --
    reddit keto FAQ -- read this all the way through. It will answer so much!
    http://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/faq

    Keto subreddit - great for recipes, general info, and inspiring success stories
    http://www.reddit.com/r/keto/

    Keto calculator - help figure out your calorie, carb, protein, and fat targets for configuring MFP
    http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/

    The keto calculator is based on info in "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" and is a great tool for anyone doing Low Carb. It will help you identify your TDEE, target calories for weight loss, and the macros to use here on My Fitness Pal.

    Good luck!
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
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    You're better off joining one of the low carb groups here. On the forums, you will get naysayers and people who don't understand the low carb lifestyle.

    This is a complicated way of admitting that the alleged benefits of low carb have been completely debunked.

    Anybody wants to eat that way, it's totally fine with me. But make ridiculous health claims for the diet, and you're going to get pushback.
  • CarlingSB
    CarlingSB Posts: 11 Member
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    O Dear...
    Thank you everyone for your input! :) I cant read all of this now, but I will. And take everything into consideration.
  • livingleanlivingclean
    livingleanlivingclean Posts: 11,751 Member
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    I'm on a low carb diet. Add me and you can check out my diary.

    Last night, I made stuffed chicken. Another favorite is chicken pizza. I make breast cutlets, coat in Parmesan. Bake in my own sauce made with no added sugar. Take out after 15 minutes and top with mozzarella, pepperoni and italian sausage. Bake another 5 minutes. Everyone loves it. I have lots of recipes that I can share.

    Eating out - the Rock Wood Fired Pizza has a great appetizer called the Shroom Skillet. The skillet is a layer of baked mushrooms topped with cheese and sausage. I eat half and take the other half home. Buffalo wings are good, if the place doesn't bread them. Red Robin serves their burgers protein style, wrapped in lettuce with a side of steamed broccoli. At italian restaurants, I eat chicken piccata with veggies instead of pasta. I haven't really found anyplace where I couldn't find something to eat.

    My doctor has me on a max of 30 carbs per day, but veggies are free carbs. She has me count total carbs, not 'net carbs'. Sugar alcohols are still a carb and need to be counted.

    I don't post my exercise info, because MFP subtracts those calories burned from my total. The calorie calculation is also incorrect. I wear a Suunto Ambit when I exercise to tell me what I've burned.

    How are vegetables "free carbs"? Are there any you can't eat? ....I can eat over 100g carbs just in vegies (more if you count sweet potato) every day...
  • bacitracin
    bacitracin Posts: 921 Member
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    This is why low carb diets are generally a poor idea. They unnecessarily make "real world" eating scenarios harder.

    Low carb does not come with any health or weight loss benefits.

    Lies. Most likely lies stemming from ignorance, but your statement is untrue, regardless.

    I've tried to make things easy to follow here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1131894-new-to-keto-are-you-hungry-do-you-have-cravings-long

    Basically, for a lot of people, eating carbohydrates triggers bodily responses causing a pattern of overeating to develop. The body physiologically adapts to higher and higher amounts of the hormones released that regulate satiety. Eventually, A person can eat and eat and eat until their blood-sugar levels are regularly over 400 (hyperglycemia) and they'll feel like they're going to pass out if it ever drops to normal levels. Restricting carbohydrate intake will slowly cause a reversal of this condition. The endocrine system adapts over time to this "starvation" of sorts, and hormone levels and sensitivity to them creep back towards normality. The catch is this: if the person goes back to a non-restricted carbohydrate diet, the body will have a much easier time going back to being sick. It took a couple decades for the obesity to happen, the body ain't gonna fix itself in a few months.

    The weight-loss benefit is called "nutritional ketosis". I'm sure you've heard of it. It's where, in the absence of sugar and starch, your body metabolizes body fat for energy and amino acids used to break down ingested protein for "gluconeogenesis". Your body creates glycogen for your muscular activity, and uses your fat stores to do it. The best part is, your heart and brain use a lot of the byproducts of this process, called "ketones". That's why it's called ketosis. The health benefits are too many for me to list; it's muscle-sparing, ketoadaptation *may* prevent cognitive deterioration or protect from other neurological disorders, it can have a very positive effect on a lot of people's moods (the way ketone bodies are processed in the brain seem to favor the transmitter that inhibits depression/anxiety and bipolar disorder and epilepsy, instead of the transmitter that excites those conditions), making ATP is more efficient using ketones than glucose, there are a lot less free radicals to cause cellular damage, it halts the growth and aggression of most cancerous tumors (cancer cells are hyperglycemic, they need glucose to survive and thrive but ketosis starves them)...

    Personally, my blood pressure, heart rate, and cholesterol levels improved VASTLY after 7 months of being in ketosis. That may have had something to do with losing 40 pounds, without calorie restrictions at all. Ketogenic eating can lead to a fantastically reduced daily caloric intake by normalizing satiety hormone levels and restoring sensitivity. I feel "full" a lot sooner when eating high-fat than on the standard American low-fat diet. I could eat an entire Little Caesar's Hot'N'Ready pizza in under 15 minutes, but it's tough to finish more than a single bowl of chicken meat, chicken broth, heavy cream, spinach and some cheddar cheese. I can easily knock out 1200 calories of fast food for breakfast and be hungry again soon, but 200 calories of peanut butter/cream cheese/coconut oil/cocoa powder fills me up from 0500 to 1200 or later.

    Sure, there's probably not a metabolic advantage to being in ketosis, you'll probably burn mostly the same amount of calories as on a SAD L-F diet, but you'll be a hell of a lot happier and probably eat less overall.
    This is a complicated way of admitting that the alleged benefits of low carb have been completely debunked.

    Not at all. It means that most people here haven't done the research recently, just believe what they learned in kindergarten about the Food Pyramid, which by now has been pretty well debunked itself.
    Anybody wants to eat that way, it's totally fine with me. But make ridiculous health claims for the diet, and you're going to get pushback.

    Glad I have your approval, doc. :) I *DO* make extraordinary claims, but I also cite my sources with proof. I'm not a nutjob. If you push back against scientific evidence, then you're willfully ignorant and not worth my time. :D


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    (18) http://ispub.com/IJNW/4/2/8738
  • __freckles__
    __freckles__ Posts: 1,238 Member
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    You're better off joining one of the low carb groups here. On the forums, you will get naysayers and people who don't understand the low carb lifestyle.

    Yeah, you're new. Be sure to join a low carb group to insulate yourself from any possible criticism, no matter how valid. The best possible thing is to limit your source of information to members of a single group.

    Oh jonnythan how we've missed you. :heart:
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
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    This is a complicated way of admitting that the alleged benefits of low carb have been completely debunked.

    Not at all. It means that most people here haven't done the research recently...

    Nonsense. I personally did low carb for a full year - I am speaking from direct experience. There are MANY ex-low carbers on here who know exactly what they are talking about.

    The plain fact is that the claimed special health benefits from low carb do not hold up under scrutiny. If someone wants to eat that way, they are welcome to, it probably won't do them any actual harm.

    It just won't do them any good, either.

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