What to dip in soup?

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  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    What's unhealthy about crusty bread?

    Depends on how much, and whether it's white bread or made with whole grains. White bread is converted to sugar in the liver, while whole grains are harder to digest and better for lowering cholesterol. Small amounts of white bread aren't harmful with soup, especially if it's a good high-fiber, low-sodium soup.

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    Not sure what you find laughable... perhaps you'd care to elaborate? Are you disagreeing that white bread is less healthy than whole-grain, or that small amounts of white bread aren't helpful?

    I'm guessing it's the "white bread is converted to sugar in the liver" part. Enzymes in the digestive tract convert starches to sugars.

    Is whole grain healthier? Depends on how you define healthier. I'm a white bread fan because it has less calories and carbs than whole grain bread, which makes sandwiches easier to fit into my plan. Which is good.

    Ok, I see. I was mistaken about the breakdown - I guess I was thinking of glycogen storage in the liver, released for energy, after the complex carbohydrate is broken down in the gut.
    Typically whole grain is considered healthier, because not all of it is broken down, and it does cause a "scrubbing" effect in the blood, which can reduce cholesterol levels. That being said, I can only eat the simpler forms, like white rice vs. brown, or white potatoes, and can't eat gluten at all. I do buy a whole-grain gluten-free bread that is pretty good, and two slices is only 130 calories.
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    I'd be interested in more info about when whole grains being more healthy was debunked. It seems like most authorities still recommend them.

    http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/the_best_bread_tips_for_buying_breads

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/whole-grains/ART-20047826

    http://www.eatright.org/Public/content.aspx?id=6442471695
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    Typically whole grain is considered healthier, because not all of it is broken down...
    If you think about it, that would be highly undesirable as it means you are fueling your body with an inefficient fuel. Meaning you would need to eat more, not less, to get the same amount of net energy.

    Only modern agriculture could come up with such a devious plan to increase people's food consumption...
    ...and it does cause a "scrubbing" effect in the blood, which can reduce cholesterol levels.
    And, sorry, but that part is just nonsense.
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    Typically whole grain is considered healthier, because not all of it is broken down...
    If you think about it, that would be highly undesirable as it means you are fueling your body with an inefficient fuel. Meaning you would need to eat more, not less, to get the same amount of net energy.

    Only modern agriculture could come up with such a devious plan to increase people's food consumption...
    ...and it does cause a "scrubbing" effect in the blood, which can reduce cholesterol levels.
    And, sorry, but that part is just nonsense.

    Not so much.

    http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/cardiovascular/cholesterol/foods-that-lower-cholesterol2.htm
  • wolfsbayne
    wolfsbayne Posts: 3,116 Member
    Typically whole grain is considered healthier, because not all of it is broken down...
    If you think about it, that would be highly undesirable as it means you are fueling your body with an inefficient fuel. Meaning you would need to eat more, not less, to get the same amount of net energy.

    Only modern agriculture could come up with such a devious plan to increase people's food consumption...
    ...and it does cause a "scrubbing" effect in the blood, which can reduce cholesterol levels.
    And, sorry, but that part is just nonsense.

    Not so much.

    http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/cardiovascular/cholesterol/foods-that-lower-cholesterol2.htm

    Not sure about the "Scrubbing effect," but eating heart healthy, which included swapping out for whole grains as recommended by my doctor, did lower my cholesterol.

    Edited for punctuation.
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    Typically whole grain is considered healthier, because not all of it is broken down...
    If you think about it, that would be highly undesirable as it means you are fueling your body with an inefficient fuel. Meaning you would need to eat more, not less, to get the same amount of net energy.
    We want inefficient fuels. We want satiety with little calories. That's what fiber does. We get to eat more volume for less calorie buck. If we wanted the opposite, we should live off fat. It's got the most calories per gram.
  • Fullsterkur_woman
    Fullsterkur_woman Posts: 2,712 Member
    Typically whole grain is considered healthier, because not all of it is broken down...
    If you think about it, that would be highly undesirable as it means you are fueling your body with an inefficient fuel. Meaning you would need to eat more, not less, to get the same amount of net energy.
    We want inefficient fuels. We want satiety with little calories. That's what fiber does. We get to eat more volume for less calorie buck. If we wanted the opposite, we should live off fat. It's got the most calories per gram.
    I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree there. And I may be a weirdo, but I like the taste and texture of whole grain bread waaaay more than that of white bread.
  • A spoon.
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    What's unhealthy about crusty bread?

    Depends on how much, and whether it's white bread or made with whole grains. White bread is converted to sugar in the liver, while whole grains are harder to digest and better for lowering cholesterol. Small amounts of white bread aren't harmful with soup, especially if it's a good high-fiber, low-sodium soup.

    miley-s-adorable-laugh-o.gif

    Not sure what you find laughable... perhaps you'd care to elaborate? Are you disagreeing that white bread is less healthy than whole-grain, or that small amounts of white bread aren't helpful?
    White bread is not less healthy than whole grain. All carbs are converted to sugar, not just the carbs in white bread. Pretty sure she's laughing at the fact that you're spreading what amounts to be propaganda at this point, as that stance has been pretty much abandoned by modern nutritional science, about the same time they admitted the glycemic index is useless.

    Case in point, put butter on the white bread, and now it will be digested even more slowly than whole grain bread.

    ^^ Tigersword nailed it, as usual.


    And FTR, it's not so much that the comment was hilarious, but mostly I just like this GIF and was happy to post it in lieu of an "LOL."
  • ottawagirl613
    ottawagirl613 Posts: 112 Member
    Find a whole wheat pita that has a high fiber content and tear it up to make pita chips in the oven. They are a great substitute for crackers and you can season them however you like (or not at all if you just want the crunch)!
  • cardbucfan
    cardbucfan Posts: 10,571 Member
    What's unhealthy about crusty bread?

    ^^ This


    But TBH, I prefer crackers in my soup. Ritz are the best, but saltines are less expensive.

    I like goldfish crackers in my tomato soup......saltines with everything else or a grilled cheese lol

    Tomato soup with goldfish= my lunch today!
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    White bread is not less healthy than whole grain. All carbs are converted to sugar, not just the carbs in white bread. Pretty sure she's laughing at the fact that you're spreading what amounts to be propaganda at this point, as that stance has been pretty much abandoned by modern nutritional science, about the same time they admitted the glycemic index is useless.

    Case in point, put butter on the white bread, and now it will be digested even more slowly than whole grain bread.

    ^^ Tigersword nailed it, as usual.
    Sources, please? I googled a little but all I see about glycemic index being useless is from bodybuilding blogs, for the most part. I wouldn't call that 'modern nutritional science' but I didn't go into their sources. Whole grains not being more healthy than refined ones didn't turn up much at all.
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    What's unhealthy about crusty bread?

    Depends on how much, and whether it's white bread or made with whole grains. White bread is converted to sugar in the liver, while whole grains are harder to digest and better for lowering cholesterol. Small amounts of white bread aren't harmful with soup, especially if it's a good high-fiber, low-sodium soup.

    miley-s-adorable-laugh-o.gif

    Not sure what you find laughable... perhaps you'd care to elaborate? Are you disagreeing that white bread is less healthy than whole-grain, or that small amounts of white bread aren't helpful?
    White bread is not less healthy than whole grain. All carbs are converted to sugar, not just the carbs in white bread. Pretty sure she's laughing at the fact that you're spreading what amounts to be propaganda at this point, as that stance has been pretty much abandoned by modern nutritional science, about the same time they admitted the glycemic index is useless.

    Case in point, put butter on the white bread, and now it will be digested even more slowly than whole grain bread.

    here's some information why whole grain is healthier.
    http://www.netwellness.org/healthtopics/diet/wholegrains.cfm
  • fruttibiscotti
    fruttibiscotti Posts: 986 Member
    I love to sprinkle high quality grated parmigiano reggiano (Parmesan) cheese on top, or swirl in some homemade pesto made with fresh basil and extra virgin olive oil. So healthy to do and kicks up the flavour so nicely!
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    IN. For blood scrubbing.
  • VelveteenArabian
    VelveteenArabian Posts: 758 Member
    Oyster crackers are pretty good in soup.
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    IN. For blood scrubbing.
    Whether or not cholesterol levels in the blood are something we should watch is a legitimate controversy. (I personally don't.) Whether eating high fiber, whole grain foods improves serum cholesterol levels isn't really. It's been known for decades.

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/in-depth/cholesterol/ART-20045192
  • __freckles__
    __freckles__ Posts: 1,238 Member
    So, I've just had some soup. But really really missed the lovely crusty rolls or the bread that I usually dunk in! I want to replace it with something healthier to dip in...

    Any ideas? Or does this just sound pretty weird ;)

    Sounds weird. Stick with your delicious crusty rolls.
  • STC1188
    STC1188 Posts: 101 Member
    IN. For blood scrubbing.

    Yeah, it is really neat to look at under a microscope. You see, in the human body, whole wheat enters the blood stream and like a knight errant travels the veins far and wide eradicating evil cholesterol goblins who stroll the valleys and plains causing havoc for the poor hemoglobin peasants. The indigestible fibrous bran of the grain is the mighty Excalibur wielded by the brave wheat endosperm, fueled by the high-nutrient capacity of the benevolent germ.

    True story.
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    IN. For blood scrubbing.

    Yeah, it is really neat to look at under a microscope. You see, in the human body, whole wheat enters the blood stream and like a knight errant travels the veins far and wide eradicating evil cholesterol goblins who stroll the valleys and plains causing havoc for the poor hemoglobin peasants. The indigestible fibrous bran of the grain is the mighty Excalibur wielded by the brave wheat endosperm, fueled by the high-nutrient capacity of the benevolent germ.

    True story.

    Oh. That is much more exciting than I had envisioned (peasants on their hands and knees, etc.).
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    balls…of cheese...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    So, I've just had some soup. But really really missed the lovely crusty rolls or the bread that I usually dunk in! I want to replace it with something healthier to dip in...

    Any ideas? Or does this just sound pretty weird ;)

    ummm keep using bread…

    nothing wrong with bread as long as you stay under calorie goal...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    What's unhealthy about crusty bread?

    Depends on how much, and whether it's white bread or made with whole grains. White bread is converted to sugar in the liver, while whole grains are harder to digest and better for lowering cholesterol. Small amounts of white bread aren't harmful with soup, especially if it's a good high-fiber, low-sodium soup.

    bahahahahahaha…

    You are a funny person ..


    why you gotta be hating on the white bread….???
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    IN. For blood scrubbing.

    Yeah, it is really neat to look at under a microscope. You see, in the human body, whole wheat enters the blood stream and like a knight errant travels the veins far and wide eradicating evil cholesterol goblins who stroll the valleys and plains causing havoc for the poor hemoglobin peasants. The indigestible fibrous bran of the grain is the mighty Excalibur wielded by the brave wheat endosperm, fueled by the high-nutrient capacity of the benevolent germ.

    True story.

    The sarcasm, GIFs and lunkish love of white bread are amusing but so much less convincing than actual sources. :indifferent:
  • kellyskitties
    kellyskitties Posts: 475 Member
    If the bread you like is costing too many calories try eating half the amount. Or change to a lower calorie soup option.

    Personally, I like all kinds of stuff in my soup. Not forks or knives, but otherwise: Croutons, crackers, toast, grilled cheese, cornbread - depends on mood. Crackers are good if you have limited calories to blow - use small ones and you can count them out to make how many you can afford. And BTW I LOVE goldfish in my tomato soup. that's just required.

    I also have taken the aldi's fit and active high fiber wraps or ole high fiber wraps - cut them into pieces or whole and break them up after - and ran them through the oven (watch closely though - they go from not quite done to burned beyond recognition in about 5 secs).
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    IN. For blood scrubbing.

    Yeah, it is really neat to look at under a microscope. You see, in the human body, whole wheat enters the blood stream and like a knight errant travels the veins far and wide eradicating evil cholesterol goblins who stroll the valleys and plains causing havoc for the poor hemoglobin peasants. The indigestible fibrous bran of the grain is the mighty Excalibur wielded by the brave wheat endosperm, fueled by the high-nutrient capacity of the benevolent germ.

    True story.

    The sarcasm, GIFs and lunkish love of white bread are amusing but so much less convincing than actual sources. :indifferent:

    ^This.
  • CynthiaT60
    CynthiaT60 Posts: 1,280 Member
    Crusty bread. Just weigh it and log it. Mmmm.
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    So, I've just had some soup. But really really missed the lovely crusty rolls or the bread that I usually dunk in! I want to replace it with something healthier to dip in...

    Any ideas? Or does this just sound pretty weird ;)

    Absolutely nothing wrong with bread rolls unless you can't fit them into your calorie goal.

    That said when I take soup to work for lunch I'll take half a dozen ryvita, which can be nice.
  • livingleanlivingclean
    livingleanlivingclean Posts: 11,751 Member
    I don't eat much soup because it's hard to get enough protein....and it doesn't really go with summer! When I do though, I make a protein bread which is quite similar in texture to normal bread when toasted....
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    IN. For blood scrubbing.

    Yeah, it is really neat to look at under a microscope. You see, in the human body, whole wheat enters the blood stream and like a knight errant travels the veins far and wide eradicating evil cholesterol goblins who stroll the valleys and plains causing havoc for the poor hemoglobin peasants. The indigestible fibrous bran of the grain is the mighty Excalibur wielded by the brave wheat endosperm, fueled by the high-nutrient capacity of the benevolent germ.

    True story.

    The sarcasm, GIFs and lunkish love of white bread are amusing but so much less convincing than actual sources. :indifferent:
    I could say the same thing about whole grain. I've seen lots of "anti-white bread" dogma in this thread, but not a single shred of scientific evidence against it. Interestingly enough, that matches my own personal research on the subject.