When will people understand that you can't spontaneously....

I have nexplanon in & I'm losing. I was on microgynon 30 & was losing. I was on cerazette & I was losing. I was on noriday & I was losing. it annoys me when people claim that b.c causes weight gain - it can increase your appetite but what you do about it is down to yourself.

Congrats. That's wonderful. FOR YOU. Perhaps others react to meds differently? Why would this "annoy" you?

it can increase your appetite but what you do about it is down to yourself.

Except what about when it doesn't increase your appetite and you're not eating more and you still gain? What about when the only way you can lose the weight you gained is by dropping your intake to anorexic calorie levels? Because that is what happened to me and I doubt very much I'm the only person that happened to.

I edited my post to answer that question.

You didn't answer that question. I don't have any other mitigating issues. No PCOS or other metabolic disorders. I was thin my entire life (one of those people who could eat anything and as much of it as I wanted) until my late 20s. I gained some weight, lost it, kept it off with little effort and then the ONLY change was the change of birth control.

So you didn't answer my question.

And, yes, I saw my doctor and had blood tests.

I didn't say that it wouldn't effect metabolism I said that taking pills by themselves doesn't add weight. You should talk to a Endocrinologist and possibly an Immunologist to find out why that particular birth control has that effect.....maybe a different control will have better effect on your weight gain. You've come off the birth control apparently and really haven't lost any weight and your consuming 500-700 calories a day an working out 5 days a week.........it's a mystery then, right....or magic.

Um ... no.

I am off the BC. I lost a good deal of weight when I went off of it. I have been struggling in the year since I went off of it, but you do realize that it takes time for a woman's hormones to regulate again after years on BC, right?

I only just started having normal periods again.

Sure, ok. be well.

Excuse me, but what are you basing any of this information on? Where are you getting I'm only eating 500-700 calories a day or how much I'm execising?

I haven't logged on here in months and you are not on my FL. So, please, tell me how you "know" so much about me. I know that my profile does not say those things.

I have nexplanon in & I'm losing. I was on microgynon 30 & was losing. I was on cerazette & I was losing. I was on noriday & I was losing. it annoys me when people claim that b.c causes weight gain - it can increase your appetite but what you do about it is down to yourself.

Congrats. That's wonderful. FOR YOU. Perhaps others react to meds differently? Why would this "annoy" you?

it can increase your appetite but what you do about it is down to yourself.

Except what about when it doesn't increase your appetite and you're not eating more and you still gain? What about when the only way you can lose the weight you gained is by dropping your intake to anorexic calorie levels? Because that is what happened to me and I doubt very much I'm the only person that happened to.

I edited my post to answer that question.

You didn't answer that question. I don't have any other mitigating issues. No PCOS or other metabolic disorders. I was thin my entire life (one of those people who could eat anything and as much of it as I wanted) until my late 20s. I gained some weight, lost it, kept it off with little effort and then the ONLY change was the change of birth control.

So you didn't answer my question.

And, yes, I saw my doctor and had blood tests.

I didn't say that it wouldn't effect metabolism I said that taking pills by themselves doesn't add weight. You should talk to a Endocrinologist and possibly an Immunologist to find out why that particular birth control has that effect.....maybe a different control will have better effect on your weight gain. You've come off the birth control apparently and really haven't lost any weight and your consuming 500-700 calories a day an working out 5 days a week.........it's a mystery then, right....or magic.

Um ... no.

I am off the BC. I lost a good deal of weight when I went off of it. I have been struggling in the year since I went off of it, but you do realize that it takes time for a woman's hormones to regulate again after years on BC, right?

I only just started having normal periods again.

Sure, ok. be well.

Excuse me, but what are you basing any of this information on? Where are you getting I'm only eating 500-700 calories a day or how much I'm execising?

I haven't logged on here in months and you are not on my FL. So, please, tell me how you "know" so much about me. I know that my profile does not say those things.

In your profile. Sorry I said you were eating 500 to 700 which was incorrect, you only lose weight when you eat 500 to 700.

It seems I only lose if I eat about 500-700 calories a day and exercise at least five times a week. So I've decided to stop tracking for a while. Maybe forever.

I just am shaking my head.

People on here claiming BC made them gain weight...okay whatever.

Calories in>calories out make you gain weight.

Yes perhaps BC lowered your BMR or increased your appetite or messed with hormones along with a long list of other things that BC and other meds do.... but it comes down to the hard science.

People with PCOS or other medical conditions if in regular contact with their doctor and get their meds in order can lose weight too...it might take longer but it can be done. It again comes down to burning more then you take in.

I am a 41 year old woman who has used BC pills, Depo, Mierna and been on Anti depressants...

I have gained and lost a few times...but none of it is because of my meds my gains were due to eating too much and not moving enough then when I decided enough was enough...I lost weight...eating less and moving more. Funny thing about it is this...on BC or other meds you might be tired...but if you exercise you get energy...it's the whole circle thing.

But this debate will go on forever...why because people want something to blame other then themselves for weight gain.

Am I being judgemental? Blunt? mean? no..yes...no

Personal responsibility is needed...BC does not cause weight gain..excess calories do.

In other words, as is the usual argument of this type:

"It didn't happen to me, so it couldn't possibly have happened to anyone else."

:flowerforyou:

I just am shaking my head.

People on here claiming BC made them gain weight...okay whatever.

Calories in>calories out make you gain weight.

Yes perhaps BC lowered your BMR or increased your appetite or messed with hormones along with a long list of other things that BC and other meds do.... but it comes down to the hard science.

People with PCOS or other medical conditions if in regular contact with their doctor and get their meds in order can lose weight too...it might take longer but it can be done. It again comes down to burning more then you take in.

I am a 41 year old woman who has used BC pills, Depo, Mierna and been on Anti depressants...

I have gained and lost a few times...but none of it is because of my meds my gains were due to eating too much and not moving enough then when I decided enough was enough...I lost weight...eating less and moving more. Funny thing about it is this...on BC or other meds you might be tired...but if you exercise you get energy...it's the whole circle thing.

But this debate will go on forever...why because people want something to blame other then themselves for weight gain.

Am I being judgemental? Blunt? mean? no..yes...no

Personal responsibility is needed...BC does not cause weight gain..excess calories do.

In other words, as is the usual argument of this type:

"It didn't happen to me, so it couldn't possibly have happened to anyone else."

:flowerforyou:

No not the usual argument of "it didn't happen to me"

The agrument is this...science proves weight gain comes from excess calories...why you have excess calories can differ...

Too much food perhaps
Not enough movement perhaps
Lowered BMR due to hormone imbalance etc which can come from medication perhaps..

But at the end of the day it comes down to calories in and calories out.

If you do take meds that says "could cause weight gain or increased appetite" like my depo put that in a little spot in your head and realize it so when you are weighing your food and counting your calories and exercising you are more aware that perhaps the appetite increase is due to meds and you can eat the food but move more...and track and keep track of gains/losses/TDEE etc so you know if your BMR has changed du to meds and then talk to your doctor and re-evaluate if the meds need changed or tweeked...

I am a special snowflake when it comes to Depo and Mirena ...my doctor told me so...

Am I being judgemental? Blunt? mean? no..yes...no

If you say so.

Walk a mile in the shoes of another...

I don't have to...I gained weight while using Mirena...Depo and Anti depressants...I've been there. I blamed them.

Then low and behold bam...I lost weight why because I eat less and move more. As a matter of fact I have lost over 50lbs while on Mirena and Depo...so I have walked that mile then another 10...

Don't assume...

Am I being judgemental? Blunt? mean? no..yes...no

If you say so.

Walk a mile in the shoes of another...

I don't have to...I gained weight while using Mirena...Depo and Anti depressants...I've been there. I blamed them.

Then low and behold bam...I lost weight why because I eat less and move more. As a matter of fact I have lost over 50lbs while on Mirena and Depo...so I have walked that mile then another 10...

Don't assume...

I ate less and moved more, too. I still gained.

No not the usual argument of "it didn't happen to me"

The agrument is this...science proves weight gain comes from excess calories...why you have excess calories can differ...

Too much food perhaps
Not enough movement perhaps
Lowered BMR due to hormone imbalance etc which can come from medication perhaps..

But at the end of the day it comes down to calories in and calories out.

Right. But when "excess calories" is 1,000 calories a day due to a lowered BMR DUE TO THE MEDICATION, what are you supposed to do? Starve yourself? It makes it pretty much impossible to lose weight and REALLY difficult to not gain it.

Why starve yourself...my TDEE is 2050....if my bmr was lowered I would just move more, create muscle mass to increase it...there are always options available..even tweeking the meds under a doctors supervision.

But when you say "...makes it pretty much impossible..." you have already defeated yourself.

I think the point that some people are missing is that there is a difference between:

1. shoving food down your gullet because you feel like it, then trying to blame your weight gain on medication, and

2. gaining weight while on a medication due to side effects that mess with your metabolism, hormones, appetite, or energy levels.

The first is a conscious decision made by the person. The second *may* involve eating more calories than you burn, but it's not a conscious choice - you are listening to your body's signals as you always have, not realizing that those signals are jacked up.

Worry about your own health and fitness journey and stop judging other people for theirs.

Why starve yourself...my TDEE is 2050....if my bmr was lowered I would just move more, create muscle mass to increase it...there are always options available..even tweeking the meds under a doctors supervision.

But when you say "...makes it pretty much impossible..." you have already defeated yourself.

Because I have other things to do?

An hour of exercise a day wasn't enough. I'm supposed to do two hours? I have a full-time job, a family, I'm trying to write a novel, I'd like to have a social life. So, please tell me, where am I supposed to fit in more exercise?

And I already addressed the "tweaking the meds." The reason I switched from the pill (which caused me no weight issues) to Mirena in the first place was that my periods on the pill were lasting two weeks and no amount of tweaking helped. Off of any hormonal BC and I had terribly heavy and very long periods. The copper IUD wasn't an option because of that.

You seem to think I'm an idiot or something. I assure you, I am not.

Am I being judgemental? Blunt? mean? no..yes...no

If you say so.

Walk a mile in the shoes of another...

I don't have to...I gained weight while using Mirena...Depo and Anti depressants...I've been there. I blamed them.

Then low and behold bam...I lost weight why because I eat less and move more. As a matter of fact I have lost over 50lbs while on Mirena and Depo...so I have walked that mile then another 10...

Don't assume...

I could say the same to you. You've walked in your shoes. Nothing more.

I have empathy...it would be horrible to have PCOS or a thyroid issue and have to battle even harder to get where you want to be...and I am glad I don't have to deal with it...but then I also look at those with those issues who are slim, trim and healthy...are they special snowflakes? no they just work extra hard to get where they want to be...

but at the same time I am not going to agree with people who say BC and meds made them gain weight...

That is false. Excess calories did...

Why starve yourself...my TDEE is 2050....if my bmr was lowered I would just move more, create muscle mass to increase it...there are always options available..even tweeking the meds under a doctors supervision.

But when you say "...makes it pretty much impossible..." you have already defeated yourself.

Because I have other things to do?

An hour of exercise a day wasn't enough. I'm supposed to do two hours? I have a full-time job, a family, I'm trying to write a novel, I'd like to have a social life. So, please tell me, where am I supposed to fit in more exercise?

And I already addressed the "tweaking the meds." The reason I switched from the pill (which caused me no weight issues) to Mirena in the first place was that my periods on the pill were lasting two weeks and no amount of tweaking helped. Off of any hormonal BC and I had terribly heavy and very long periods. The copper IUD wasn't an option because of that.

You seem to think I'm an idiot or something. I assure you, I am not.

And that is a choice. Your choice. As I have a full time job, family, friends I chose a different exercise. Weights which in the long run helps a lot.

I do not think you are an idiot just mis-informed and you have a defeated attitude.

As for the issues you have I have the same thing as does most of the woman in my family...I chose Depo to help mine but a cousin chose to have a procedure done that burned the lining of her uterus...she hasn't cycled in 18months....an option for you possibly.

some medications can also impact metabolic rate which means that at the same food intake at which you were maintaining, you are now gaining weight. Some medications also have a rather substantial impact on hormones and hormone imbalances often do cause metabolic issues for which, again, you can go from maintaining to gaining on the same calorie intake.

This.

This. I was tracking everything for years and I was eating between 1000-1200 cals/day per my doctors orders and between the medication and my health issues that caused me take the medication I gained 50lbs in 4 years while exercising for at least an hour 5 days per week on top of a very active life style. I will also say that prior to being put on the medication I was never over 150lbs which for my body type put me at around 20% body fat so very healthy for a girl going through puberty.

Why starve yourself...my TDEE is 2050....if my bmr was lowered I would just move more, create muscle mass to increase it...there are always options available..even tweeking the meds under a doctors supervision.

But when you say "...makes it pretty much impossible..." you have already defeated yourself.

Because I have other things to do?

An hour of exercise a day wasn't enough. I'm supposed to do two hours? I have a full-time job, a family, I'm trying to write a novel, I'd like to have a social life. So, please tell me, where am I supposed to fit in more exercise?

And I already addressed the "tweaking the meds." The reason I switched from the pill (which caused me no weight issues) to Mirena in the first place was that my periods on the pill were lasting two weeks and no amount of tweaking helped. Off of any hormonal BC and I had terribly heavy and very long periods. The copper IUD wasn't an option because of that.

You seem to think I'm an idiot or something. I assure you, I am not.

And that is a choice. Your choice. As I have a full time job, family, friends I chose a different exercise. Weights which in the long run helps a lot.

I do not think you are an idiot just mis-informed and you have a defeated attitude.

As for the issues you have I have the same thing as does most of the woman in my family...I chose Depo to help mine but a cousin chose to have a procedure done that burned the lining of her uterus...she hasn't cycled in 18months....an option for you possibly.

Why are you assuming I never lifted weights during that time?

I'm "defeated" because nothing has worked. NOTHING.

I sitll exercise and I still watch what I eat. But I'm done obsessing over something that I clearly CAN'T control.

Why starve yourself...my TDEE is 2050....if my bmr was lowered I would just move more, create muscle mass to increase it...there are always options available..even tweeking the meds under a doctors supervision.

But when you say "...makes it pretty much impossible..." you have already defeated yourself.

Because I have other things to do?

An hour of exercise a day wasn't enough. I'm supposed to do two hours? I have a full-time job, a family, I'm trying to write a novel, I'd like to have a social life. So, please tell me, where am I supposed to fit in more exercise?

And I already addressed the "tweaking the meds." The reason I switched from the pill (which caused me no weight issues) to Mirena in the first place was that my periods on the pill were lasting two weeks and no amount of tweaking helped. Off of any hormonal BC and I had terribly heavy and very long periods. The copper IUD wasn't an option because of that.

You seem to think I'm an idiot or something. I assure you, I am not.

And that is a choice. Your choice. As I have a full time job, family, friends I chose a different exercise. Weights which in the long run helps a lot.

I do not think you are an idiot just mis-informed and you have a defeated attitude.

As for the issues you have I have the same thing as does most of the woman in my family...I chose Depo to help mine but a cousin chose to have a procedure done that burned the lining of her uterus...she hasn't cycled in 18months....an option for you possibly.

Why are you assuming I never lifted weights during that time?

I'm "defeated" because nothing has worked. NOTHING.

I sitll exercise and I still watch what I eat. But I'm done obsessing over something that I clearly CAN'T control.

did you read that last part of my post...??? Have you tried that...it's your body it is in your control...

*walks away from this poster as I am beating a dead horse with this defeatist attitude.*

Actually, I was on Depo for a year and then got off. I did gain 30 pounds in that year, and it was not due to my food intake or my workout routine. I still worked out 3 times a week, eating the same stuff and gaining. So I bumped my workouts to 5 (sometimes 6 days) a week and included more plant based foods. NOTHING HAPPENED. I went to my doctor and he explained that Depo was a more progesterone based method and that my body (idk about every one else's) needed a more balanced hormone method (more estrogen to help counter the progesterone).

My weight finally started coming off about 4 1/2 months after my last shot and gradually over the next few months. I don't know why it affects some women like that. I tried it when it first was released. Maybe it is a bit different now? I know a lot of people "blame" many other things for weight gain without first addressing their own habits or trying to change them, but for me- Depo was a pain in the butt (especially being military with the physical sites assessments!).

So it isn't about spontaneously gaining or losing weight. It's about hormone levels (a chemical issue) being out of balance. Chemical imbalances can cause all sorts of problems. Same issue with stress, when the body is "stressed" enough it releases cortisol. Higher cortisol levels are linked to an increase in waist sizes... It's the same thing with Depo. Keep hormones regulates and then the fact of gaining or losing will be more closely dependent on personal habits (food intake and physical activity).

Katie