2200 calories a day

Some people have different stomachs.

Its not about liking food..

ohhhh i like food. this and that. No.

Its: how big is your stomach?? Its a real issue.

You think appetite is the default for everyone? think again. Some people have small stomach.

sometimes its easier to drink a gallon of milk than it is to eat a bunch almonds that get stuck in your teeth and peanut butter that gets stuck in your throat.

Ever bite being a chore. Not everyone is a hungry cow and its insensitive to act like I'm some skinny bean pole and be all shocked i can't eat.

Guess what. Im not like you.

Wow, knickers twisted much? There are plenty of ways to eat 2200 calories with out consuming a large volume of food, several of which had been suggested by other posters. I was talking to the OP, and given that the OP has troll written all over his post in general, I felt no real need to be overly diplomatic with my response.

Also, anatomically, your stomach isn't smaller than mine. The difference in appetite is the result of chemical responses, not having a smaller stomach. And no, I'm not like you, which is exactly why I don't, and will never get or understand having this problem. I do however understand hypocrisy, so thanks for the laugh.

If you go back far enough on my fitness tracker diary, you can see there are days where all I did was eat a container of nutella for the day (which packs over 2k calories) but it wasn't easy. I mean you're talking to a guy who has tried every fad diet there is. And I finally realized the best is just lift, eat Nutella, and drink milk + fish oil + multi. Everything else is bs. But the point is it was hard.

furthermore it has been reported in the New York Times amongst other places that studies show that stomachs to shrink in a controlled study so you are 100% wrong about that.

Some people have different stomachs.

Its not about liking food..

ohhhh i like food. this and that. No.

Its: how big is your stomach?? Its a real issue.

You think appetite is the default for everyone? think again. Some people have small stomach.

sometimes its easier to drink a gallon of milk than it is to eat a bunch almonds that get stuck in your teeth and peanut butter that gets stuck in your throat.

Ever bite being a chore. Not everyone is a hungry cow and its insensitive to act like I'm some skinny bean pole and be all shocked i can't eat.

Guess what. Im not like you.

Wow, knickers twisted much? There are plenty of ways to eat 2200 calories with out consuming a large volume of food, several of which had been suggested by other posters. I was talking to the OP, and given that the OP has troll written all over his post in general, I felt no real need to be overly diplomatic with my response.

Also, anatomically, your stomach isn't smaller than mine. The difference in appetite is the result of chemical responses, not having a smaller stomach. And no, I'm not like you, which is exactly why I don't, and will never get or understand having this problem. I do however understand hypocrisy, so thanks for the laugh.

If you go back far enough on my fitness tracker diary, you can see there are days where all I did was eat a container of nutella for the day (which packs over 2k calories) but it wasn't easy. I mean you're talking to a guy who has tried every fad diet there is. And I finally realized the best is just lift, eat Nutella, and drink milk + fish oil + multi. Everything else is bs. But the point is it was hard.

furthermore it has been reported in the New York Times amongst other places that studies show that stomachs to shrink in a controlled study so you are 100% wrong about that.

Um no, people who were already obese and/or regularly over consumed/binged to the point that their stomachs had stretched beyond normal capacity showed a shrinking effect when placed on a calorie restrictive diet, i.e. their stomach returned back to normal capacity. As I am not, nor have I ever been obese, and as I am not a binge eater these studies in no way apply to me, so no, your stomach is still not going to be significantly smaller than mine and can not be blamed for the difference in appetite.

The OP is claiming to be a highschool age male who is probably still growing and is actively working to try to and put on muscle. The average recommended intake for a SEDENTARY male in this age range is 2200. If he is genuinely unable to manage 2200 calories a day then he is:

a. Not eating enough calorie dense food, as has already been suggested
b. Has a metabolic or digestive issue which needs to be addressed by a doctor
c. Has an eating disorder which also needs to be addressed by a doctor

Some people have different stomachs.

Its not about liking food..

ohhhh i like food. this and that. No.

Its: how big is your stomach?? Its a real issue.

You think appetite is the default for everyone? think again. Some people have small stomach.

sometimes its easier to drink a gallon of milk than it is to eat a bunch almonds that get stuck in your teeth and peanut butter that gets stuck in your throat.

Ever bite being a chore. Not everyone is a hungry cow and its insensitive to act like I'm some skinny bean pole and be all shocked i can't eat.

Guess what. Im not like you.

Wow, knickers twisted much? There are plenty of ways to eat 2200 calories with out consuming a large volume of food, several of which had been suggested by other posters. I was talking to the OP, and given that the OP has troll written all over his post in general, I felt no real need to be overly diplomatic with my response.

Also, anatomically, your stomach isn't smaller than mine. The difference in appetite is the result of chemical responses, not having a smaller stomach. And no, I'm not like you, which is exactly why I don't, and will never get or understand having this problem. I do however understand hypocrisy, so thanks for the laugh.

If you go back far enough on my fitness tracker diary, you can see there are days where all I did was eat a container of nutella for the day (which packs over 2k calories) but it wasn't easy. I mean you're talking to a guy who has tried every fad diet there is. And I finally realized the best is just lift, eat Nutella, and drink milk + fish oil + multi. Everything else is bs. But the point is it was hard.

furthermore it has been reported in the New York Times amongst other places that studies show that stomachs to shrink in a controlled study so you are 100% wrong about that.

Um no, people who were already obese and/or regularly over consumed/binged to the point that their stomachs had stretched beyond normal capacity showed a shrinking effect when placed on a calorie restrictive diet, i.e. their stomach returned back to normal capacity. As I am not, nor have I ever been obese, and as I am not a binge eater these studies in no way apply to me, so no, your stomach is still not going to be significantly smaller than mine and can not be blamed for the difference in appetite.

The OP is claiming to be a highschool age male who is probably still growing and is actively working to try to and put on muscle. The average recommended intake for a SEDENTARY male in this age range is 2200. If he is genuinely unable to manage 2200 calories a day then he is:

a. Not eating enough calorie dense food, as has already been suggested
b. Has a metabolic or digestive issue which needs to be addressed by a doctor
c. Has an eating disorder which also needs to be addressed by a doctor

Im sorry but again, you are completely wrong.

As I have said before, stomach size does change, you said it doesn't.

I showed you research that the stomach does change and now you say that only fat peoples' stomach change.

Well then the same could be said that my stomach is small by default and I have appetite issues by default. The more I force myself to eat, the easier it becomes to eat, and my belly physically becomes larger and stays that way as long as I keep eating well. If I starve myself for a few weeks I get skinny, lose 20 lbs and I am suffering just trying to eat more than 1 major meal a day.

Also how else would one explain the phenomenon of competitive eaters who train their internals to intake exponentially more than the average person?

You just read trendy articles and thats it don't you?

Use some logic and sound reasoning and you can see through this. Thank you for your time.

Sure, I taught Functional Morphology at UCLA for 3 years and have a graduate degree in ecology and evolutionary biology, but I don't know squat about primary research...

All your examples are of stomachs stretching past normal capacity and shrinking back down. There is NO primary reserach showing that for a normal individual eating under normal conditions an "unusually" small stomach can contribute to smaller appetite. Smaller appetite is the result of chemical and hormonal influences, not the anatomical size of your stomach.

You keep resorting to personal attacks, I'll keep making logical counterpoints.

So I'm trying to hit 2200 calories a day. But I'm getting tired of eating so much, I would rather just quickly chug a meal. Can I just drink 16 protein shakes? According to my calculations that would be about 2200. It would be 16 fat/ 48 carbs/ 480 protein. Would all that protein get me super ripped. (Which is my goal) How healthy is this? Advice? Thx

And you have no research proving its not both.

Because proving a negative..... but yea.

Also,

As a general rule, signals arising in the periphery that influence food intake and energy expenditure can be partitioned into two broad categories (Fig. 1) (1, 2, 3). One comprises the signals generated during meals that cause satiation (i.e. feelings of fullness that contribute to the decision to stop eating) and/or satiety (i.e. prolongation of the interval until hunger or a drive to eat reappears). The prototypical satiation signal is the duodenal peptide cholecystokinin (CCK), which is secreted in response to dietary lipid or protein and which activates receptors on local sensory nerves in the duodenum, sending a message to the brain via the vagus nerve that contributes to satiation. The second category includes hormones such as insulin and leptin that are secreted in proportion to the amount of fat in the body.

Here's the link to the full publication:
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jc.2008-1630

TLDR: Feelings of being full at the end of the meal are controlled by specific chemicals released from the digestive system that signal the brain to stop. It's called a negative feedback loop and its the basic system of control for maintaining homestasis in the body.

Finally the ability of the stomach to expand capacity due to increased appetite =/= an expanded stomach capacity CAUSES increased appetite.

Conclusions: Although progress on effective medical therapies for obesity has been relatively slow in coming, advances in understanding the central regulation of food intake may ultimately be turned into useful treatment options.

Satiation signals: summary of general principles
Satiation appears to be a complex phenomenon, mediated by a number of GI peptides. Although it is clear that the different satiation factors respond to specific nutrient stimuli (e.g. CCK to protein and fat, GLP-1 to carbohydrate and fat, PYY primarily to fat, and so on), it has not been proven that mixed meals of differing macronutrient content elicit the release of distinct cocktails of GI hormones. However, given the wide range of specific factors that seem to mediate satiation, it is logical to presume that this process is subject to highly refined regulation. Especially important is the modulation of the action of satiation by factors such as leptin and insulin that are responsive to body adiposity. This interaction is the critical site of endocrine regulation of eating and energy homeostasis.

The regular guy went first, and stopped after seven dogs (no buns, for purposes of the study) because he thought he’d be sick if he ate another. Using fluoroscopy, an x-ray that gives a real-time view of what’s going on inside the body, the doctors saw what you’d expect: His stomach was indeed full of hot dogs and hadn’t stretched much from its original size (see picture at left).

Then they looked at the competitive eater. First, they noticed that his empty stomach showed virtually no peristalsis, the normal squeezing motion that helps the stomach break down food. He started eating hot dogs and his stomach got bigger and bigger. Ten minutes in, he’d eaten 36 dogs. He said he didn’t feel full, but the researchers told him they’d seen enough.

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Stomach of a champion eater, after eating 36 hot dogs in 10 minutes. (Image courtesy Marc Levine)
“His stomach now appeared as a massively distended, foodfilled sac occupying most of the upper abdomen, with little or no gastric peristalsis,” they wrote in their paper. Levine said the stomach was like no healthy stomach he’d seen in his 30-year career. He compared it to a “giant balloon that looks like it has no limit.” The eater’s previously flat belly swelled out as if he were pregnant.

The champion told the doctors he had “spent several years training for the sport, forcing himself to consume larger and larger amounts of food despite the sensation of fullness.” He said he never felt full anymore. They figured the training had somehow given the guy’s stomach this ability to expand indefinitely.

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I know right, it's semester exams here so I have lots of down time watching students scribbling on paper.

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I know right, it's semester exams here so I have lots of down time watching students scribbling on paper.

I don't know how comfortable I feel with you teaching our nations youth after getting a feel for your critical thinking abilities.

I have my doubts as far as your qualifications are concerned for sure.