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    All calories ARE NOT created equal !!!

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      <----Actually, been a member since 2010, see?

      And I do not claim to know all the answers, but I do know this: A calorie IS a calorie, regardless of what food it comes from.

      Crud. I've been gaining and losing weight for almost 30 years. I'm sort of good at both. Listen. I'm not downing the calorie thing. I pretty much subscribe. But I'm not convinced that simple carbs don't cause inflammation. Is that fair? Science evolves...
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      :laugh:

      Not think, we know.

      Because a calorie is a calorie.

      Try eating all the calories you want as fiber and see how long you can live on that. A calorie is a calorie is a myth that needs to be weeded out. The different macro's doesn't make your body react the same.

      Eating tons of fructose causes leptin resistance (the body's signal to the brain saying we got plenty of fat in store). So instead of burning the carb/fat intake, it stores it, cause it thinks the fat stores are empty/low.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18703413
    • Posts: 11,068 Member
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      Try eating all the calories you want as fiber and see how long you can live on that. A calorie is a calorie is a myth that needs to be weeded out. The different macro's doesn't make your body react the same.

      Eating tons of fructose causes leptin resistance (the body's signal to the brain saying we got plenty of fat in store). So instead of burning the carb intake, it stores it, cause it thinks the fat stores are empty/low.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18703413

      Tell me how a study where they feed rodents a diet with SIXTY PERCENT of calories coming from sugar is relevant to this discussion in any way, shape, or form.


      Go ahead, I'll wait.
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      Tell me how a study where they feed rodents a diet with SIXTY PERCENT of calories coming from sugar is relevant to this discussion in any way, shape, or form.


      Go ahead, I'll wait.

      It shows that a calorie is not a calorie. Isn't that very obvious?
    • Posts: 80
      calories in/ calories out is the only thing that works.....weight watcher is the TOP leading diet plan and that is what they live by.......just heard that on TV
    • Posts: 10,321 Member
      calories in/ calories out is the only thing that works.....weight watcher is the TOP leading diet plan and that is what they live by.......just heard that on TV

      But can't you eat unlimited vegetables on weight watchers? If that is the case, how can they believe a calorie is a calorie?
    • Posts: 815 Member
      Yeah! OMG! Just start working at it and see what works for you! Don't pay attention to what others swear by... They're not you! Start by logging your calories. Aim for a deficit. Track your weight. Exercise. Figure out your formula. Everyone else means nothing!
    • Posts: 52
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      But can't you eat unlimited vegetables on weight watchers? If that is the case, how can they believe a calorie is a calorie?

      An AMEN to that!!!! the SCIENCE that weight watchers is following is eat less bad stuff (more points) VS. eat more good stuff (less points) So it's not the amount of calories you take in, sometimes it has to do with WHAT you take in.

      True there are lots of factors that come into play like what makes you fuller, have more energy, etc. But some are looking at only the surface of this discussion. We are not talking about science. We are talking about what works for some does not work for ALL. Depending on each person's life style, preferences, etc.
    • Posts: 10,321 Member
      Wait, for the record, I do think EITHER a calorie is a calorie, OR, all calories aren't created equal, but the science hasn't caught up enough to figure out a way of how to prove it.
    • Posts: 14
      Wait, for the record, I do think EITHER a calorie is a calorie, OR, all calories aren't created equal, but the science hasn't caught up enough to figure out a way of how to prove it.

      Context, try it.
    • Posts: 10,321 Member
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      Context, try it, it is not hard.

      No clue what you are saying here.
    • Posts: 436 Member
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      This statement alone tells me you have never had proper Diabetes Education with your diagnosis. If you had, you would know that Carbohydrates are broken down into glucose and used to fuel your body LONG before protein or fat. If your diabetic and have high blood sugars/A1C then yes your body is using proteins and fats for fuel instead of your carbohydrates but that is because there is not enough insulin being used to be able to use glucose to fuel your body.

      I think you definitely need to check your information. I'm glad you are losing weight by decreasing carbs, but to make the above statement is just ignorant.

      excellent information!! :smile:
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    • Posts: 14
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      No clue what you are saying here.

      It means to read a sentence and apply its content to the topic. "A calorie is not a calorie" is of cause wrong if you take it literally, but when you read in the context of eating, it means that eating one calorie of X does not provide the same results as eating a calorie of Y.
    • Posts: 1,075 Member
      Yup, some calories are yummier than others! Yeah I'm talking bout you, Ben & Jerry's Phish Food. *drool*

      I'm hungry.
    • Posts: 14
      You are fooling yourself if you think that calories in, calories out is not right

      You are fooling yourself if you think that it has to go out. It can stay in the system and not go out.
    • Posts: 6,129 Member
      You are fooling yourself if you think that it has to go out. It can stay in the system and not go out.

      you don't understand physics.
    • Posts: 52
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      It means to read a sentence and apply its content to the topic. "A calorie is not a calorie" is of cause wrong if you take it literally, but when you read in the context of eating, it means that eating one calorie of X does not provide the same results as eating a calorie of Y.

      Yes, Yes, Yes.... u guys should have wrote my post!!! lol :laugh:
    • Posts: 815 Member
      You are fooling yourself if you think that you shouldn't reduce calories and you shouldn't increase exercise, or that Mary Fitnesspal sets the rules. Can we kill this ridiculous out-of-control thread now?
    • Posts: 13 Member
      What I think of when I hear the phrase not all calories are equal, is the fact that I could use up 500 calories eating a bag of chips, or I could use about 30 calories and eat some vegetables. To me, what matters is how you use your calories, if that makes sense.
    • Posts: 11,068 Member
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      It shows that a calorie is not a calorie. Isn't that very obvious?


      Let me see if I can rephrase this:

      You posted a study in which a different species consumed 60% of it's diet from straight fructose for six months followed by a high fat diet for two weeks. Since the outcome measures differed in the rodents who had the 60% fructose diet, from the rodents who did not have a high fructose diet, you believe that this has direct carry over to human beings.

      In humans this would be about 400 grams of fructose per day for 6 months.

      You believe this is relevant to a discussion in humans?
    • Posts: 1,525 Member
      PS everyone... I was diagnosed with pre diabetes so I LOST 70 lbs two years ago to control it.. I followed the same lower carb I idea/ regimen as I am doing now. when I started eating a larger amount of carbs, I gained 28 of those lbs back. So the proof is in my putting.

      If you suddenly started eating a larger amount of carbs and didn't compensate by cutting those calories out of something else, of course you gained 28 lbs back.
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      you don't understand physics.

      I do, your "out" is regulated by your brain/body. If you take X in, it can decide to only use Y and store Z. Thats why people with brain damage, where their leptin receptors are damaged get fat on even a strict diet. The body thinks there is no fat in store and tries to store as much as possible.
    • Posts: 22,505 Member
      Yup, some calories are yummier than others! Yeah I'm talking bout you, Ben & Jerry's Phish Food. *drool*

      I'm hungry.

      Get out of my head! I was just looking at my diary to see if I could fit some Ben & Jerry's in today.
    • Posts: 1,525 Member
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      It means to read a sentence and apply its content to the topic. "A calorie is not a calorie" is of cause wrong if you take it literally, but when you read in the context of eating, it means that eating one calorie of X does not provide the same results as eating a calorie of Y.

      In terms of weight loss, one calorie of X has the same results as one calorie of Y though.
    • Posts: 11,068 Member
      Little point out here. Fibers don't bring calories. Our body can't digest them, so we can't get calories from them

      IIRC: Fermentable fibers produce short chain fatty acids that yield about 1.5 -2.5kcal/g
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      Here's a sloth with a flower for you.

      LMAO!!! Love it!
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      Let me see if I can rephrase this:

      You posted a study in which a different species consumed 60% of it's diet from straight fructose for six months followed by a high fat diet for two weeks. Since the outcome measures differed in the rodents who had the 60% fructose diet, from the rodents who did not have a high fructose diet, you believe that this has direct carry over to human beings.

      In humans this would be about 400 grams of fructose per day for 6 months.

      You believe this is relevant to a discussion in humans?

      Science tests on mice because we are alike on metabolism.... Its the next best thing to strapping down a human and force feeding him.

      http://sciencehouse.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/metabolism-of-mice-and-men/
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