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Calories out > calories in ---> Weight loss
Calories out = calories in ---> Maintain weight
Calories out < Calories in ---> Weight gain
That's all. This should get rid of 99% of stupid posts of people complaining they are not losing weight even though they are at a deficit....
It annoys me when people complain about posts! We are all here to help each other! Weight loss is more complicated than that else we all wouldn't be here! You don't seem like a very patient person. I suggest you find another message board....like for intolerant impatient people!!!
I agree that it's not as simple as that.
It annoys me when people are very certain of their opinion - but they are actually wrong.
Even when you show them other examples that undermine their opinion - they don't want to hear it.0 -
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I think some of you are missing the OP's point.
Nah. I think the point was pretty clear.
I have definitely noticed a group of posters here who seem to have a negative attitude towards people who haven't yet "gotten it". I assume by their posts that they are here because they never needed any help and they are perfect.
Honestly, I don't know if the OP is one of those people. There are a lot of them here and I am pretty new, so I haven't figured out who all of them are yet. But this post smacks of that kind of attitude.0 -
I think some of you are missing the OP's point.
Nah. I think the point was pretty clear.
I have definitely noticed a group of posters here who seem to have a negative attitude towards people who haven't yet "gotten it". I assume by their posts that they are here because they never needed any help and they are perfect.
Honestly, I don't know if the OP is one of those people. There are a lot of them here and I am pretty new, so I haven't figured out who all of them are yet. But this post smacks of that kind of attitude.
What is incorrect about a calorie deficit needing to exist in order to lose weight?0 -
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There are some people who have medical issues or are on meds that mess with their ability to lose weight... However, I think most people don't lose because they are underestimating the number of calories they consume. It's easy to do!
Actually, I've always wondered about the meds thing. It seems that people say "LAW says: calories in vs. calories out, no exception" UNTIL there's talk of certain birth control pills or oral steroids, etc. So, what happens with those drugs--do they just cause the people to eat more without them knowing it, or does it make them sit on the couch more without them noticing? (Serious question; no snark)
I have been on a steroid regimen, a few times in the past couple years for my multiple sclerosis symptoms, and even if I stick to my diet and exercise routine, I gain weight... not only that, my face gets chubby and my mid-section expands... I don't know if there is additional water retention or if it in some way alters my metabolism or something, but the weight gain is noticeable and real... no matter how much or little I eat, or how much or little I work out.
There are other factors to weight loss, especially for those on medications. If it's that simple, there wouldn't be plateaus in weight loss.
I just think that if this is really true (I don't know, which is why I asked), then if some exogenous factor could be introduced (oral steroids) that could have such an effect, then couldn't there also be endogenous factors that could cause a similar effect? And could it be possible that the act of very low calorie dieting could be a means by which such an affect could be set into motion? It just seems that there are enough people who hit a plateau at certain mid-low intakes (not talking about actual starving people), that maybe there IS something that goes on internally and when they later provided testimony that upping calories broke the plateau, why would I not believe them?? I know it's all anecdotal evidence, but it sure shows up often. idk.0 -
You will lose weight. If you have a medical condition, that is a different problem, but 99% of obese people do not.
you know this how?0 -
Actually, for the majority of the overweight population, weight loss really IS that simple. However, simple does not mean easy. That's why most of us are here: to learn the simple facts, and then get support when it's not easy.But if weight loss really was that simple, this site wouldn't exist.
For those of you asking "if that equation is true why did I gain weight eating the same way after I started taking a medication?!?!" Well, it's because that medication changed the "calories out" part of the equation...not because the equation is invalid.0 -
Why do you think 65% of the population is overweight and obese?I think some of you are missing the OP's point.
Nah. I think the point was pretty clear.
I have definitely noticed a group of posters here who seem to have a negative attitude towards people who haven't yet "gotten it". I assume by their posts that they are here because they never needed any help and they are perfect.
Honestly, I don't know if the OP is one of those people. There are a lot of them here and I am pretty new, so I haven't figured out who all of them are yet. But this post smacks of that kind of attitude.
What is incorrect about a calorie deficit needing to exist in order to lose weight?0 -
I think some of you are missing the OP's point.
Nah. I think the point was pretty clear.
I have definitely noticed a group of posters here who seem to have a negative attitude towards people who haven't yet "gotten it". I assume by their posts that they are here because they never needed any help and they are perfect.
Honestly, I don't know if the OP is one of those people. There are a lot of them here and I am pretty new, so I haven't figured out who all of them are yet. But this post smacks of that kind of attitude.
Nah, it's just tough love.
I've posted my fair share of encouragement and I'm all about helping.
Whole point is for people to stop being in denial and realize that the very basic/core of dieting is calorie out > calorie in.
A lot of people seem to disregard this fact and assume it's not as simple as that, but it is. It's just an excuse.
It's like learning addition/subtraction in math. If you don't learn how to do those properly, you will never be good at math and you will never be able to do calculus.
Diet is similar. People have to realize and learn the simple concept of calorie out > calorie in. The macros(protein/carb/fat) , exercise, etc are all secondary.
I'm also still on a weight loss 'journey', and by reading thousands of posts and responding hundreds of times, I noticed a pattern of denial and tendency to blame others when weight loss stops or halts... instead of looking at the core reason why that happened.
Anyways, whole point why I made the post sound a bit belligerent is so people can discuss it. I knew full well that a lot of people would be annoyed and 'hate' the attitude.
But it's tough love right? I have no regrets
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Calorie out > calorie in people. No black and white here. Oldest trick in the book.0 -
Not trying to be a creep, but you might inspire more confidence if you actually had a pic of yourself while rubbing people's noses in their own failings.0
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Actually, for the majority of the overweight population, weight loss really IS that simple. However, simple does not mean easy. That's why most of us are here: to learn the simple facts, and then get support when it's not easy.But if weight loss really was that simple, this site wouldn't exist.
For those of you asking "if that equation is true why did I gain weight eating the same way after I started taking a medication?!?!" Well, it's because that medication changed the "calories out" part of the equation...not because the equation is invalid.
That makes sense. Maybe a lower heart rate or shallower breathing or other energy-using biological activities that if slowed even a little bit, over 24 hours, can lower BMR/TDEE. But all I'm saying is that, in the same way that medication could cause such a thing, couldn't internal endocrine balance (or imbalance) cause a similar decrease in "calories out"? And couldn't low calorie dieting cause the endocrine changes necessary to precipitate lower BMR/TDEE?0 -
Calories out > calories in ---> Weight loss
Calories out = calories in ---> Maintain weight
Calories out < Calories in ---> Weight gain
That's all. This should get rid of 99% of stupid posts of people complaining they are not losing weight even though they are at a deficit....
1. There are many more variables involved when it comes to weight loss.
2. Insulting people for their "stupid" posts is not the way to make a point. It reflects badly upon you.0 -
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It appears people that are overweight have a higher BMR.
Actually, for the majority of the overweight population, weight loss really IS that simple. However, simple does not mean easy. That's why most of us are here: to learn the simple facts, and then get support when it's not easy.But if weight loss really was that simple, this site wouldn't exist.
For those of you asking "if that equation is true why did I gain weight eating the same way after I started taking a medication?!?!" Well, it's because that medication changed the "calories out" part of the equation...not because the equation is invalid.
That makes sense. Maybe a lower heart rate or shallower breathing or other energy-using biological activities that if slowed even a little bit, over 24 hours, can lower BMR/TDEE. But all I'm saying is that, in the same way that medication could cause such a thing, couldn't internal endocrine balance (or imbalance) cause a similar decrease in "calories out"? And couldn't low calorie dieting cause the endocrine changes necessary to precipitate lower BMR/TDEE?0 -
LOL nice try my furry friend…but me thinks the derp on the threads will continue...0
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There will always be terminally unique individuals who have "tried everything" and it just doesn't work for them because they are terminally unique special snowflakes. But there are also loads of honestly confused persons trying to troubleshoot their weight loss journey. I'm a big fan of the snarky remarks; they're rather entertaining, just wish there were a snark filter for those who get hurt by the "tough love" approach.0
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I absolute hate it when people say that.. because its not true.Calories out > calories in ---> Weight loss
Calories out = calories in ---> Maintain weight
Calories out < Calories in ---> Weight gain
That's all. This should get rid of 99% of stupid posts of people complaining they are not losing weight even though they are at a deficit....
One of the reasons its not true is because, Weight loss is not linear.
Two - People are not perfect nor do we live in a lab
Three - There is no way we can tell exactly how much calories we burn. although the HRM gives me a certain number of calories burned, It may not be a true number.
Four. -- too much salt, will keep the water, and prevent you from loosing weight
Five - Too much water, will prevent you from loosing weight.
Six - There are reports out there that says too little water will prevent you from loosing weight.
we don't live in a control environment, and although it works perfectly for you and for the next 10 people, I will guarantee you that for the next 100 people it wont work.
oh snap! water makes you fat now?!? Dr. Oz told ya? :laugh:0 -
Pretty strong words coming from someone who has a baby pig as a profile pic. LOL.
In most cases it might be that simple, but weight loss is not a black and white issue. It is different for every person.
at the end of the day it all boils down to calories in vs calories out. So, no it is not different for every person ..
Now, the amount of calories you need to lose, maintain, gain will be different….but the concept is the same for all of us ….
This is barring any medical condition ...0 -
"one jaffa cake wont count" "this butter wont count on this bread" "its rice, it doesnt have BAD calories in it" are the reason that people think they are in a deficit. because they dont count everything, or are lying to themselves to be able to eat more than they should.
Another reason people think they are in deficit is because they dont know their REAL daily calorie limit, to know this, you need to work our your BMR (http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/) then use the Harris Benedict Equation (http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/) to work out what you REALLY should and should not be eating.0 -
It appears people that are overweight have a higher BMR.
Actually, for the majority of the overweight population, weight loss really IS that simple. However, simple does not mean easy. That's why most of us are here: to learn the simple facts, and then get support when it's not easy.But if weight loss really was that simple, this site wouldn't exist.
For those of you asking "if that equation is true why did I gain weight eating the same way after I started taking a medication?!?!" Well, it's because that medication changed the "calories out" part of the equation...not because the equation is invalid.
That makes sense. Maybe a lower heart rate or shallower breathing or other energy-using biological activities that if slowed even a little bit, over 24 hours, can lower BMR/TDEE. But all I'm saying is that, in the same way that medication could cause such a thing, couldn't internal endocrine balance (or imbalance) cause a similar decrease in "calories out"? And couldn't low calorie dieting cause the endocrine changes necessary to precipitate lower BMR/TDEE?
Sorry, I don't follow. Yes, being overweight generally provides a higher BMR, but I'm asking if it could be possible that there could be endocrine changes that might alter/lower BMR in the same way that some medications seem to do, but with an underlying cause of said changes being as a result of very low calorie diet. In other words, could it be that people hit a plateau because their hormones/etc cause a reduction in BMR in response to very low calorie dieting.0 -
Calories out > calories in ---> Weight loss
Calories out = calories in ---> Maintain weight
Calories out < Calories in ---> Weight gain
That's all. This should get rid of 99% of stupid posts of people complaining they are not losing weight even though they are at a deficit....
It annoys me when people complain about posts! We are all here to help each other! Weight loss is more complicated than that else we all wouldn't be here! You don't seem like a very patient person. I suggest you find another message board....like for intolerant impatient people!!!
No we are not ALL here to help each other...0 -
Why do you think 65% of the population is overweight and obese?I think some of you are missing the OP's point.
Nah. I think the point was pretty clear.
I have definitely noticed a group of posters here who seem to have a negative attitude towards people who haven't yet "gotten it". I assume by their posts that they are here because they never needed any help and they are perfect.
Honestly, I don't know if the OP is one of those people. There are a lot of them here and I am pretty new, so I haven't figured out who all of them are yet. But this post smacks of that kind of attitude.
What is incorrect about a calorie deficit needing to exist in order to lose weight?
A calorie intake that is greater than a calorie output.0 -
Calories out > calories in ---> Weight loss
Calories out = calories in ---> Maintain weight
Calories out < Calories in ---> Weight gain
That's all. This should get rid of 99% of stupid posts of people complaining they are not losing weight even though they are at a deficit....
Interesting in its simplicity, however I do have a question based on what you said. If someone is "at a deficit" as you say, I assume they would be in the "Calories out > calories in ---> Weight loss" category, right? IF this is the case, why, then, are they not losing weight?
I believe what you posted is a great rule of thumb, however there are additional factors which can confound such a straight-forward paradigm.
more than likely they are not properly tracking their calories. A lot of people say "help, I am not losing" and when asked if they weigh/measure/log everything the reply is "no". It is basic math ..if you eat less than you burn you are going to lose weight…
Over the long run some people that chronically under eat may have metabolic damage, but even these people will still lose, all be it at a much slower pace.0 -
Oversimplified post is oversimplified.
As a general (very, very, general) rule, sure.
But it's the quality of calories in. Eating 1200 calories of chocolate bars every day may allow you to lose a little weight, but your body won't be in good shape. It's all about nutrition and what your body needs.
sorry ….incorrect…
ever heard of the twinkie diet or the mcdonalds diet? Those people ate said foods ALL the time and lose just as much weight as someone eating "healthy" foods.
A calorie deficit is the same for me if I eat 2000 calories a day in chocolate or 2000 calories a day in vegetables...0 -
It's not always so simple.
I had successfully lost 91 lbs by eating at a calorie deficit (1200 cal a day). I faithfully logged everything I ate and drank into a desktop program similar to MFP. Suddenly I stopped losing. I kept adhering to the diet, even trying various approaches such as calorie staggering, lowering carbs, etc., and logging in everything I ate, but I didn't lose one ounce in an entire year. Due to being disabled, I was unable to increase my exercise.
At that point, after researching, I decided to switch to a vegan diet. I lost 35 more pounds for a total of 126 lbs. I was able to eat 1300 to 1400 calories a day on the vegan diet and still lose. The diet was so restrictive, that I couldn't stay on it beyond the 6 month period, though. So, I went back to the original diet plan's maintenance program and kept off the weight for a few years until I had a two year period of steady illness and injuries, and I put the weight back on.
This time when resuming my diet, I spoke to a diet doctor who advised me that the reason I stopped losing before was that my calorie deficit was too low, which caused my metabolism to slow down, which in turn caused me to stop losing weight. He said switching to a vegan diet reset my metabolism and caused weight loss to start again. So, the doctor told me that this time, I must eat 1500 calories a day. He said as my weight lowers, my ideal calorie deficit amount will lower and at those intervals, we can drop my calorie intake accordingly.
The body is very complex, and weight loss can be just as complex.0 -
Pretty strong words coming from someone who has a baby pig as a profile pic. LOL.
In most cases it might be that simple, but weight loss is not a black and white issue. It is different for every person.
at the end of the day it all boils down to calories in vs calories out. So, no it is not different for every person ..
Now, the amount of calories you need to lose, maintain, gain will be different….but the concept is the same for all of us ….
This is barring any medical condition ...
See? Right there. That's what I mean. "barring any medical condition" Is there a medical condition which overcomes the laws of physics?? No. Of course not. It's still calories in vs. calories out. But these things could possibly be very....um, let's say, "unnatural" or "skewed" with certain "medical conditions", right? Which is why that little caveat is always stated ("barring any medical condition" or "barring any medications", etc). So isnt' it possible that prolonged very low calorie dieting could CAUSE a medical condition such as would fall into the category of that caveat?
(btw, I'm not saying I'm a special snowflake. I'm stuck at the moment because I love to eat and because I'm taking the slow route to fat loss, but I think it is insensitive and ignorant to not recognize that there could be cases in which people do everything that they THINK is right, but don't get the results they expect, because they create a bodily condition which alters the calories in vs. calories out equation FOR THEM to such a degree that what they are trying to achieve in the way they are trying to achieve it becomes virtually impossible.)0 -
Losing weight is calories in < calories out, no exceptions.
The problem comes from it's impossible to calculate exactly how many calories you're taking in and putting out. You may burn more calories just existing one day than the day before, the food you eat can be inaccurately labeled, you may be on a medication that reduces the number of calories you use daily without you knowing it. Calculators help, but there are too many variables that change your calorie counts to be 100% accurate.0 -
LOLZ at the special snowflakes in this thread that re denying it is calories in vs calories out…
Question, for all the naysayers..if it is not calories in vs calories out, then how are you going to lose weight? Eat in a calorie surplus?
Here is what I will say…if you want to lose weight follow the following plan.
create a 500 calorie per day deficit.
set macros to 40p/30c/30f
work out move more (if you want) if you want to, I suggest a program of compound lifting
follow 80/20 rule and eat about 80% healthy and 20% whatever you want ice cream, pizza, etc
do not restrict whole food groups and label foods "good" or bad"..
Over the past seven years that is what I have learned and that is what has worked for me...0 -
Pretty strong words coming from someone who has a baby pig as a profile pic. LOL.
In most cases it might be that simple, but weight loss is not a black and white issue. It is different for every person.
at the end of the day it all boils down to calories in vs calories out. So, no it is not different for every person ..
Now, the amount of calories you need to lose, maintain, gain will be different….but the concept is the same for all of us ….
This is barring any medical condition ...
See? Right there. That's what I mean. "barring any medical condition" Is there a medical condition which overcomes the laws of physics?? No. Of course not. It's still calories in vs. calories out. But these things could possibly be very....um, let's say, "unnatural" or "skewed" with certain "medical conditions", right? Which is why that little caveat is always stated ("barring any medical condition" or "barring any medications", etc). So isnt' it possible that prolonged very low calorie dieting could CAUSE a medical condition such as would fall into the category of that caveat?
(btw, I'm not saying I'm a special snowflake. I'm stuck at the moment because I love to eat and because I'm taking the slow route to fat loss, but I think it is insensitive and ignorant to not recognize that there could be cases in which people do everything that they THINK is right, but don't get the results they expect, because they create a bodily condition which alters the calories in vs. calories out equation FOR THEM to such a degree that what they are trying to achieve in the way they are trying to achieve it becomes virtually impossible.)
Ok - let me clarify …if one does not know that they have a thyroid condition and thinks that they are restricting to a deficit, but their condition has them at maintenance then they will not lose and will need to see a Dr to get medicine for said medical condition….once the person is aware of the said medical condition then they can create a calorie deficit and lose weight…better?0
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