WHy I follow a low fat raw vegan diet
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You may think you are an expert and that your critical thinking skills are better than most other humans (you have a condescending tone in your responses) but an interesting pattern has been observed: the least skillful/knowledgeable people tend to have the most confidence that they are right and cannot adequately assess or incorporate new information that challenges the view they currently hold. (Amount of education alone does not determine skill or knowledge.) I think malnutrition plays a big role in that tendency as well.
The Dunning–Kruger effect! One of my favs.0 -
Yes indeed, you guys jumped on me when I purely wanted to mention what made me feel good. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you have to be condescending about it. I don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me. End of story.
This is false. No one appears to have done that. It's the claim that you experienced vastly different weight loss on two isocaloric diets that people took issue with.
I still truly feel that I lose more weight eating healthier foods. If you disagree that is fine. There are others who believe this as well and have posted it on the message boards. You're not going to change my mind, so lets agree to disagree.
Well at least you have an open mind to the possibility that you're mistaken.0 -
Yes indeed, you guys jumped on me when I purely wanted to mention what made me feel good. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you have to be condescending about it. I don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me. End of story.
This is false. No one appears to have done that. It's the claim that you experienced vastly different weight loss on two isocaloric diets that people took issue with.
I still truly feel that I lose more weight eating healthier foods. If you disagree that is fine. There are others who believe this as well and have posted it on the message boards. You're not going to change my mind, so lets agree to disagree.
Well at least you have an open mind to the possibility that you're mistaken.
I didn't state that. It's apparent neither of us will change our minds, so in retrospect this entire conversation was pointless.0 -
Yes indeed, you guys jumped on me when I purely wanted to mention what made me feel good. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you have to be condescending about it. I don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me. End of story.
This is false. No one appears to have done that. It's the claim that you experienced vastly different weight loss on two isocaloric diets that people took issue with.
I still truly feel that I lose more weight eating healthier foods. If you disagree that is fine. There are others who believe this as well and have posted it on the message boards. You're not going to change my mind, so lets agree to disagree.
Well at least you have an open mind to the possibility that you're mistaken.
I didn't state that. It's apparent neither of us will change our minds, so in retrospect this entire conversation was pointless.
In contrast, it is my hope that other people reading the conversation will have their eyes opened about how important it is to weigh the food that you're logging, because - as you demonstrate - inaccurate logging can cause lack of goal attainment.
The conversation isn't about just me and you. It's about all the people reading along as well.0 -
57 grams of protein? Wow.
LOL. I'm trying so hard to double that and then some. :laugh:0 -
This type of diet won't make you live forever, but it'll sure feel that way.0
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Yes indeed, you guys jumped on me when I purely wanted to mention what made me feel good. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you have to be condescending about it. I don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me. End of story.
This is false. No one appears to have done that. It's the claim that you experienced vastly different weight loss on two isocaloric diets that people took issue with.
I still truly feel that I lose more weight eating healthier foods. If you disagree that is fine. There are others who believe this as well and have posted it on the message boards. You're not going to change my mind, so lets agree to disagree.
Well at least you have an open mind to the possibility that you're mistaken.
I didn't state that. It's apparent neither of us will change our minds, so in retrospect this entire conversation was pointless.
In contrast, it is my hope that other people reading the conversation will have their eyes opened about how important it is to weigh the food that you're logging, because - as you demonstrate - inaccurate logging can cause lack of goal attainment.
I stated on the other post I would look into a scale. I never said weighing was wrong. In fact I think my husband has a scale so I will ask him to pull it out. I just feel healthier on the diet I am on. You will chose what makes you feel best and what makes you feel best isn't going to be what makes everyone else feel best. The remarks I see over and over just say people are wrong, "calorie deficit," but don't mention the scale until you prod a bit longer. It acutally feels like bullying when people respond the way they do on here. People can be positive and helpful and state what works for them, but shouldn't be ridiculed for it. The scale was mentioned later in the conversation. People could have just said, hey by the way a scale is great, I found out the measurements were off without it, rather then this is false, this is wrong, you're wrong. Then after asking for an explantion I finally got the answer you were trying to get across. Negative reinforcement, for me, doesn't help, and that is exactly what I felt I was getting.0 -
Yes indeed, you guys jumped on me when I purely wanted to mention what made me feel good. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you have to be condescending about it. I don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me. End of story.
This is false. No one appears to have done that. It's the claim that you experienced vastly different weight loss on two isocaloric diets that people took issue with.
I still truly feel that I lose more weight eating healthier foods. If you disagree that is fine. There are others who believe this as well and have posted it on the message boards. You're not going to change my mind, so lets agree to disagree.
Well at least you have an open mind to the possibility that you're mistaken.
I didn't state that. It's apparent neither of us will change our minds, so in retrospect this entire conversation was pointless.
In contrast, it is my hope that other people reading the conversation will have their eyes opened about how important it is to weigh the food that you're logging, because - as you demonstrate - inaccurate logging can cause lack of goal attainment.
I stated on the other post I would look into a scale. I never said weighing was wrong. In fact I think my husband has a scale so I will ask him to pull it out. I just feel healthier on the diet I am on. You will chose what makes you feel best and what makes you feel best isn't going to be what makes everyone else feel best. The remarks I see over and over just say people are wrong, "calorie deficit," but don't mention the scale until you prod a bit longer. It acutally feels like bullying when people respond the way they do on here. People can be positive and helpful and state what works for them, but shouldn't be ridiculed for it. The scale was mentioned later in the conversation. People could have just said, hey by the way a scale is great, I found out the measurements were off without it, rather then this is false, this is wrong, you're wrong. Then after asking for an explantion I finally got the answer you were trying to get across. Negative reinforcement, for me, doesn't help, and that is exactly what I felt I was getting.
You're clearly pretty new to the forums.
Weighing food is one of the most-recommended things on the forum. It's often the very first question asked when someone says they're not losing weight. It's always mentioned.
Anyway, you were not in a calorie deficit when you were losing weight. If you are eating "the same calories" now and losing weight, the only possibilities are that you are burning more calories through activity or you were improperly calculating calorie intake.0 -
Yes, I am new to them and people acted as if I should just know what they had been taught. That is why I didn't understand when I had been measuring my calories, or so I thought, and people kept saying calorie deficit. I asked for an explanation and got a "sigh" response rather then just explaining it. I was honestly asking for an explanation and people responded, to me what seemed to be in a huff response, when I thought they would want to be supportive. It's the same with every message board, and maybe I can't hear people's tones, but that is how they came across to me. I never said it was wrong for people to lose weight on processed foods. I said for me I felt it didn't work. I have the right to feel that way.Yes indeed, you guys jumped on me when I purely wanted to mention what made me feel good. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you have to be condescending about it. I don't have to agree with you and you don't have to agree with me. End of story.
This is false. No one appears to have done that. It's the claim that you experienced vastly different weight loss on two isocaloric diets that people took issue with.
I still truly feel that I lose more weight eating healthier foods. If you disagree that is fine. There are others who believe this as well and have posted it on the message boards. You're not going to change my mind, so lets agree to disagree.
Well at least you have an open mind to the possibility that you're mistaken.
I didn't state that. It's apparent neither of us will change our minds, so in retrospect this entire conversation was pointless.
In contrast, it is my hope that other people reading the conversation will have their eyes opened about how important it is to weigh the food that you're logging, because - as you demonstrate - inaccurate logging can cause lack of goal attainment.
I stated on the other post I would look into a scale. I never said weighing was wrong. In fact I think my husband has a scale so I will ask him to pull it out. I just feel healthier on the diet I am on. You will chose what makes you feel best and what makes you feel best isn't going to be what makes everyone else feel best. The remarks I see over and over just say people are wrong, "calorie deficit," but don't mention the scale until you prod a bit longer. It acutally feels like bullying when people respond the way they do on here. People can be positive and helpful and state what works for them, but shouldn't be ridiculed for it. The scale was mentioned later in the conversation. People could have just said, hey by the way a scale is great, I found out the measurements were off without it, rather then this is false, this is wrong, you're wrong. Then after asking for an explantion I finally got the answer you were trying to get across. Negative reinforcement, for me, doesn't help, and that is exactly what I felt I was getting.
You're clearly pretty new to the forums.
Weighing food is one of the most-recommended things on the forum. It's often the very first question asked when someone says they're not losing weight. It's always mentioned.
Anyway, you were not in a calorie deficit when you were losing weight. If you are eating "the same calories" now and losing weight, the only possibilities are that you are burning more calories through activity or you were improperly calculating calorie intake.0 -
If I only got triple that, I'd be looking for some chicken breast to snack on!57 grams of protein? Wow.
LOL. I'm trying so hard to double that and then some. :laugh:
Oh and not being able to run 5k - I suspect OP has a good deal of health benefits that could be gained from being generally more healthy. Despite not having done any running for ages I managed to knock out a 30min 5k off the cuff when I started again a while ago - 6 months before that did a rather a slow 10k (good bits of walking, including diversion to get my dog) not having done any cardio at all for some time bar one instance of running a mile and a half with dogs where I nearly collapsed at the end!
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One of the reasons you may get people not 'supporting' you as you want is that there is already absolutely masses of these questions answered and good information out there. On this forum and the intnernet - just click 'search' to find it
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If I only got triple that, I'd be looking for some chicken breast to snack on!57 grams of protein? Wow.
LOL. I'm trying so hard to double that and then some. :laugh:
Oh and not being able to run 5k - I suspect OP has a good deal of health benefits that could be gained from being generally more healthy. Despite not having done any running for ages I managed to knock out a 30min 5k off the cuff when I started again a while ago - 6 months before that did a rather a slow 10k (good bits of walking, including diversion to get my dog) not having done any cardio at all for some time bar one instance of running a mile and a half with dogs where I nearly collapsed at the end!
I love your story about the 5k because that's why I love strength training. When I started CrossFit, I hadn't run in 5+ years. Our coaches incorporate running into the workouts, but it's not exactly like getting out there and running a 5k. But, lo and behold, a relatively healthy diet and 6 months of CrossFit later I decided to give it a whirl and knocked out a 5k somewhere in the 33 minute mark. By October, I had it down to 30 minutes. Strength training really helps!
Now I'm trying to focus on getting more protein. Someone told me a 40% protein, 30% fat, 30% carb diet would be good, so I'm trying for that. It's been hard, so yesterday I started with protein shakes and it's the first time I hit my protein mark dead on. So, I'm going to try to keep it up within reason unless a 40% protein diet is a bad idea...I'm not really sure. :-)0 -
I suspect that may be part of it for me.
While I hadn't even been doing strength training then, I HAD been moving a decent sized industrial unit's worth of car parts (including gearboxes, whole doors and so on) into another industrial unit for often 12hour+ days. Oh and I should note WHILE doing the work moving stuff I was mostly eating ready meals (VERY processed) and generally around 1300 calories total. Lost weight pretty quickly, but started using MFP when I decided I should probably focus on protein more as I was maybe very slightly losing strength - certainly not gaining any despite doing a lot of picking up of heavy stuff.
Incidentally, most things looking at that sort of thing semi-seriously suggest a fixed amount for protein - generally somewhere between 1g/lb of lean mass and 1g/lb of weight, then maybe a fixed amount of fat and the rest carbs. Studies have shown your body can't use more than a certain amount of protein (unless you're taking steroids, anyway), and if you have lots of carbs to make it up (energy) it should be more efficient at using the protein.
Some days I'm way higher protein than that - unless you already have a problem with protein, there shouldn't be anything wrong with 40% - on my rest days I'm often way higher than that!0 -
Thanks! I should get enough to match by body weight today, but probably won't get the full 40 percent of total calories. I already worked out but I want to try this new kickboxing class my gym is offering tonight, so it will be a double burn. Can't eat that much!0
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No worries; research has fairly consistently shown there's no particular advantage having over that sort of amount of protein.
Depending on your existing deficit and other matters, there may, however, be a benefit to having enough calories.
As you're fairly light from your ticker and haven't got much to go, a large deficit can mean muscle loss. So you may want to consider eating more. Personally, I use such situations to have a chocolate bar, cake or similar - usually something calorie dense I can get to fit my macros there or abouts. I've been having to eat more and more to avoid losing too fast - though currently am tempted to lose a bit faster for a bit.0 -
In addition to just feeling and looking better from eating this way. I just don't want to support the industry as it is. It's not that I don't think humans shouldn't eat meat, but I don't think that animals should be treated as they are. It's something that I don't want to support and I don't think others would if they knew the truth. Most people aren't even aware of what goes on. See how far into this you can watch. I know there are people that will watch and not care. I am not one of those people.
http://meatvideo.com/0 -
In addition to just feeling and looking better from eating this way. I just don't want to support the industry as it is. It's not that I don't think humans should eat meat, but I don't think that animals should be treated as they are. Most people aren't even aware of what goes on. Watch this if you dare..
http://meatvideo.com/
You seem to get all your information from highly-biased shock video and book sources.0 -
It's not information. It's a side note.0
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It's not information. It's a side note.
Yeah, but you've posted a lot of links for "information." All of them have been to highly biased sources which are either selling something or part of an organization's marketing campaign.
There's a lot to be concerned about in this thread.0 -
selling what exactly?0
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selling what exactly?
Books, website memberships, that kind of thing. The one you just posted was a marketing page for an animal-rights group. So it's really just an advertisement.
Also, you requested information about protein consumption, which I provided in the form of peer-reviewed studies and scientific literature reviews. You seem to have ignored this information, presumably because it wasn't shocking pseudoscience.0 -
Yeah, but I don't think many are buying it, there's just too much pitch in this thread, and mostly based on propaganda.It's not information. It's a side note.
Yeah, but you've posted a lot of links for "information." All of them have been to highly biased sources which are either selling something or part of an organization's marketing campaign.
There's a lot to be concerned about in this thread.0 -
I provided protein recommendations as well from the CDC and from the WHO.
I don't know what website memberships you're talking about and any books are for for information. The video is a look at what happens because it's on a webpage you assume that it's a marketing page? For what? It's not selling anything just providing info. Take or not as you wish. The meat and dairy industry spend $40 million lobbying. They have a huge impact on regulation about what we eat.
I really don't want to get into a whole ethical debate about this but meat today is not what it was 50 years ago. The way it's mass produced now is just no the same. Animals are not fed the same, they're pumped with steroids and antibiotics, and the bottom line is WE eat that.0 -
I provided protein recommendations as well from the CDC and from the WHO.
I don't know what website memberships you're talking about and any books are for for information. The video is a look at what happens because it's on a webpage you assume that it's a marketing page? For what? It's not selling anything just providing info. Take or not as you wish. The meat and dairy industry spend $40 million lobbying. They have a huge impact on regulation about what we eat.
I really don't want to get into a whole ethical debate about this but meat today is not what it was 50 years ago. The way it's mass produced now is just no the same. Animals are not fed the same, they're pumped with steroids and antibiotics, and the bottom line is WE eat that.
Yes, and I provided recent scientific studies showing that the CDC recommendations for protein intake are insufficient for people losing weight who want to retain muscle mass.
The video you posted has a link on the page to "Mercy for Animals." The video also concludes with their logo. The animal rights organization Mercy for Animals produced the video and pays for the website and hosting. It's literally a video advertisement for the group. It's not an unbiased source.
You clearly care more about shock video advertisements than actual science.
Carry on with your Youtube diet.0 -
Thank you. I will carry on because it's made me go from this...to this...
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AND because I have lowered my cholesterol. I no longer have a calcium deficiency or any other dificiencies because I feel amazing, because I am happier than I have ever been in my life and I get to enjoy delicious food and workout doing things I love!0 -
Thank you. I will carry on because it's made me go from this...to this...[/URL]
AND because I have lowered my cholesterol. I no longer have a calcium deficiency or any other dificiencies because I feel amazing, because I am happier than I have ever been in my life and I get to enjoy delicious food and workout doing things I love!
Not to take anything away from your accomplishment, but some of that weight loss can be attributed to following a high protein diet (per your profile) so it's not just the raw vegan diet that has created the transformation?0 -
You have to understand that it's not profitable for people to eat this way-- it doesn't help the pharmaceutical industry nor the meat or dairy industry and so there's no money being put towards researching this. The proof is in the pudding. You just have to try and see if it works for you. The problem is the lack of information. People go on juice cleanses and they feel great but then they go back to what they were eating because you can't juice for ever.
The bottom line here is GET THE VEGGIES IN!!! However you do that - just do it. They give you the vitamins and nutrients and energy you need and make sure you get enough of them. If you want to eat meat then go eat meat- but get the veggies in!!!
Meat isn't bad but excess animal protein is. Heart disease is the #1 killer and just reducing the amount of animal protein can help lower the risk of heart disease. So that's it. Keep the animal protein low and veggies high.0 -
Thank you. I will carry on because it's made me go from this...to this...[/URL]
AND because I have lowered my cholesterol. I no longer have a calcium deficiency or any other dificiencies because I feel amazing, because I am happier than I have ever been in my life and I get to enjoy delicious food and workout doing things I love!
Not to take anything away from your accomplishment, but some of that weight loss can be attributed to following a high protein diet (per your profile) so it's not just the raw vegan diet that has created the transformation?
Totally! I am actually smaller than that now and continue to get smaller. YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT on a high protein diet, there are just more risks associated with it. For example towards the end I started getting really constipated and while my skin got better in the begining it started getting really oily and breaking out after a while. Also my cholesterol was really high and putting your body in constant ketosis puts your kidneys in stress. Whatever- being 220lbs isn't healthy either.
Everyone has to do what's right for them.0 -
Were you getting enough fibre? Where you get a reasonable amount of micro-nutrients?0
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I was eating only veggies and animal protein -- lots of fiber. Look I've been doing this for a year now. If at some point I feel it's not working for me I will change that. The point for me is to BE healthy not to be thin. I just feel healthier than ever and according to my doc and test results I am. This is just my journey.0
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I was eating only veggies and animal protein -- lots of fiber. Look I've been doing this for a year now. If at some point I feel it's not working for me I will change that. The point for me is to BE healthy not to be thin. I just feel healthier than ever and according to my doc and test results I am. This is just my journey.
I wish you nothing but the best of luck with no significant health consequences with your plan.
Many of our advancements and discoveries as a species have relied on daredevils who defy conventional wisdom and fully partake a path that seems absolutely ludicrous. Godspeed.0
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