WHy I follow a low fat raw vegan diet

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  • I wanted to share with you all a little bit about my dietary lifestyle. While I don’t let a label define who I am, my food choices fall into the high raw low fat vegan category. After almost two years of research on nutrition, I find this to be the ideal lifestyle for not only a healthy lifestyle, but also for fueling the body with optimal energy so that you can take on all that you desire in all areas of your life.

    While it’s taken me about a year of trial and error and finally the last 5 months of finally getting control over this lifestyle (and getting to now 55.5lbs lost), I feel that everyone must find their own path to of what “comfortable” means for them. Before, food was a vehicle to some underlining issue I was trying to numb out. After years of numbing out, I lost all perspective of what real food really was. Ridding my diet of all the highly processed and highly addictive food, allowed me to gain back the sensitivity to know what it was my body was asking for.

    After making many choices in the right direction, there was one last choice that I needed to make that kept pulling me back to old habits. I started out by cutting out gluten, processed foods and refined sugars. This seemed to work well for me, and I was able to loose about 35 lbs on this lifestyle. However, the more I researched nutrition, and more importantly, the more I cut the “junk” out of my diet, meaning all that highly addictive chemical processed food, the more I started to listen to my own body. Having substituted the gluten with large amounts of produce, I realized that my body was really craving this new source of nourishment more and more.

    When emotional ties associated to my food choices were removed, what my body really craved was fresh raw fruits and vegetables. I then came across the raw food lifestyle, and I made the great big leap in one go. After about a month I started to feel incredible changes. I gave up coffee, yet I had more energy than ever before. My acid-reflux had disappeared instantly. I used to have visual migraine auras at least once per month and sometimes up to once per week, which seemed to also fade away. My skin started to glow, and I started to feel an inner sense of joy and peace that I had never really experienced before, and little by little, I started noticing myself smile more and just be happy for no apparent reason.

    The one thing that always pulled me back, was the social drinking with my friends. I would eat healthy all day, and then I would go out and have some crazy night out, and my frontal lobe would just go on binge feasts that would make my progress seem futile. I didn’t want to do harm to my body by getting super clean with my diet and then getting super toxic by going out drinking. So I decided that maybe going vegan rather than raw would be better for me.

    Somehow, the food on the plate had changed, but my habits were still pretty much the same. Eating really healthy vegan meals (still high raw) and then going out 3-5x per week and having a few drinks and my diet became vegan à la bar menu, which could consist of about 5 martinis and a large plate of french fries or some vegan nachos. I hated myself the next day, and I could hear this inner voice pleading me to stop. Problem was I never wanted the party to end.

    Going out, socializing and drinking was my way to relax and let go of all the stress I had going on. I was so concerned all the time with all the things I “had to do” or the person that I “had to be” that when I went out, all that went away as well. It wasn’t as though I needed to drink, I had gone months before without drinking just to see, but it was more like that’s when I felt like I was really “living it up”!

    I realized that in order to change my lifestyle, I needed to change my social group, and so I set out to meet more people that were into the raw food lifestyle. One way that I did this was by attending the Woodstock Fruit Festival. While at the festival, I was having a conversation with one of the pioneers, Freelee (The banana Girl), and I asked her how I could still have a social life and have this new lifestyle. I candidly told her about my issues going out with my friends and trying to maintain this lifestyle, eager to hear the answer as to how I was going to be able to merge my two lifestyles, I was shocked when she just came back to me with a question.

    She asked me how old I was. Something I was completely NOT expecting! Maybe because deep down I knew that while this may have been ok to do in my early 20s, it was not ok to do in my 30s. What would my life be like in my 40s? If I didn’t change my path would I still be out at bars at the age of 50? This realization really scared the crap out of me. I realized there, in that moment, that life was about soooooo much more than the “never ending party” LIFE was the party, and I was missing it!

    From that day on (August 2013), the lifestyle became intuitive for me. I continued to set out to find the real me that I had buried deep down below so long ago. I thought about the person I wanted to be… that day… ten years from then…20 years from then. I knew that my weight wasn’t just about physical appearances, it was something that was holding me back from doing all the things in life I wanted to achieve. I wanted to be athletic, and to surround myself with people who were thriving, and I wanted to become the best version of myself that I could become in ALL areas of my life, and I knew that I needed health and vitality to do that.

    August 17, 2013 was the last time I had a drink with my friends (or at all for that matter) and to tell you the very truth, I haven’t missed it one bit. What I’ve gained is immeasurable! The day I made that decision, was the day that my dietary lifestyle finally started to “click”. It was no longer a conscious thing of having to eat a certain way, or not eat “this”, or only eat “that”. I gained the control I had struggled to find before. I was eating the food that my body was asking for, and for the first time in my life, I could hear what my body was calling for loud and clear.

    I knew that I felt my absolute best when I was eating a diet high in raw fruits and vegetables, and because I was getting a large amount of my calories from fruits (sugars), I knew I had to keep my fat intake low (~10%). I won’t lie, there are still times when my body wants to just eat something outside of the LFRV (80/10/10) plan, and when that happens, the first thing I do is to try and understand what it is that my body really needs. If I can get it from my LFRV food then I do- If I crave something savory – I’ll make a HUGE bowl of salad, If I want some fat- I’ll have some guacamole, If I need something sweet- I’ll munch on some dates, but there are just those times when it’s our subconscious mind that wants something “bad”. So when this happens, you know what I do??? I have something “bad”, but not without first understanding WHY it is I want it. I take the time to explore my subconscious. There is usually some emotional reason that has NOTHING to do with the food AT ALL! So after I’ve identified what this is, acknowledged it, and make the CONSCIOUS decision that I still want to “be bad”, I allow myself to do that. The thing is that NOW my definition of “bad” is A LOT healthier than anything I would have eaten before.

    Bad for me now might mean a bowl of quinoa or wild rice made into a vegan vegetable paella. Maybe a hot homemade lentil soup, or some hummus made from real garbanzo beans (not from a can and no oil). Or if I really want to veg-out (irony I know) I will make a plain bowl of popcorn on the stove. AND if I’m REALLY REALLY REALLY needing something super bad – I will go to Chipotle and have a vegan bowl with black beans, brown rice, veggies, pico de gallo, corn, lettuce and guacamole which is 555 calories, and me at my VERY worst. I want to stress that I don’t eat like this often. On a day-to-day basis I am pretty much eating VERY high if not ALL raw, but once in a blue moon, I will say F@^% the label and give my body what I think it needs, and I find by the next meal my body is lusting after a green juice.

    Again, the important thing is to LISTEN to your body. Don’t just go numb it out by going into some food coma. Learn to have a good relationship with your mind and to identify what are the non-food habits that cause you to eat out of your healthy conscious food choices? When you start to identify these- two things will happen- first, you will have less and less cravings as time goes on because as you identify and deal with your emotions, you won’t need to numb out with the food, AND more importantly, you will find that your “diet” will be the best therapy for all other areas of your life because by eating clean you will be able to better identify the triggers that make you reach for the bad food that keep you at your best. You will find that your mind and your body will start working together rather than against each other. You will find that other areas of your life begin to change as well, and as long as you keep being honest and true to yourself and cut out the processed foods and toxins that dilute the real message that your body tries to give you, that inner bliss within you will start to grow.

    You will come to realize that food is nourishment for your body, just as love, and sleep, and peace of mind. You will want to nourish your body more and more everyday, and with each day, you will see it blossom into something beautiful. This is what comes from eating clean living food, and this is why I strive to stay crude!
    Interesting...I am a bit amazed that you feel healthy on a diet that consists mostly of raw fruits, veggies and nuts because I know I would feel terrible if that's all I ate for weeks and weeks on end even if I was eating enough calories...and I don't don't see the point in giving up foods I really enjoy say oh forever...a donut will always taste good no matter how purified my taste buds become. And I cringe at what my grocery bills would be like if I ate the bulk of my calories in produce...but if it works for you that's great! Different strokes for different folks.
  • castlerobber
    castlerobber Posts: 528 Member
    You have to understand that it's not profitable for people to eat this way-- it doesn't help the pharmaceutical industry nor the meat or dairy industry and so there's no money being put towards researching this.

    It helps the vegetable and fruit industries...they aren't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. Wouldn't you think they'd put money into researching it?
    Meat isn't bad but excess animal protein is. Heart disease is the #1 killer and just reducing the amount of animal protein can help lower the risk of heart disease.

    Scientific proof, please. Not YouTube videos.

    Besides, I thought it was saturated fat that was "bad"? Or was it dietary cholesterol? How much, exactly, is "excess" animal protein?
  • elfo
    elfo Posts: 353 Member
    You have to understand that it's not profitable for people to eat this way-- it doesn't help the pharmaceutical industry nor the meat or dairy industry and so there's no money being put towards researching this.

    It helps the vegetable and fruit industries...they aren't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. Wouldn't you think they'd put money into researching it?
    Meat isn't bad but excess animal protein is. Heart disease is the #1 killer and just reducing the amount of animal protein can help lower the risk of heart disease.

    Scientific proof, please. Not YouTube videos.

    Besides, I thought it was saturated fat that was "bad"? Or was it dietary cholesterol? How much, exactly, is "excess" animal protein?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3849684/
  • _Terrapin_
    _Terrapin_ Posts: 4,301 Member
    If you read the study linked http://www.ajconline.org/article/S0002-9149(09)01099-6/abstract what the study and studies cited does not tell you is how many of the individuals in the study groups have been taking medications during the studies. 2014 and we do not have one study which has a group of people with low fat (10%) diet over an extended period of time, with no medications, with blood work, to indicate it is a diet which promotes or reverses heart disease.

    The study referenced below also does not provide insight to pre-CVD numbers like the c-reactive protein test which, if you have a family history of heart disease, ought to be required when having blood work completed.

    From Dr. Esselstyn's book ALL patients were POST CVD(Cardio vascular disease) and, while we do not know the percentage of individuals taking cholesterol lowering medications, we do know they have lowered their cholesterol numbers since their events(CVD).

    Another interesting part of the studies ought to be how many people had a second and fatal event even with proper medication and a diet with the majority of carbs coming from plant based foods. Good luck.
  • geebusuk
    geebusuk Posts: 3,348 Member
    From what I can tell, they most likely restricted calories while doing more exercise than normal.
    The participants became healthier.

    Anyway, the conclusion they make:
    The findings of this study question the value of using HDL levels as a predictor of cardiovascular risk, especially in populations who do not consume a typical Western diet. The appropriateness of applying standard HDL criteria to populations that consume a plant-based diet may be particularly problematic. Finally, characterising individuals with MetS may not be appropriate in clinical practice or research when applying lifestyle interventions that promote a plant-based eating pattern.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    You have to understand that it's not profitable for people to eat this way-- it doesn't help the pharmaceutical industry nor the meat or dairy industry and so there's no money being put towards researching this.

    It helps the vegetable and fruit industries...they aren't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. Wouldn't you think they'd put money into researching it?
    Meat isn't bad but excess animal protein is. Heart disease is the #1 killer and just reducing the amount of animal protein can help lower the risk of heart disease.

    Scientific proof, please. Not YouTube videos.

    Besides, I thought it was saturated fat that was "bad"? Or was it dietary cholesterol? How much, exactly, is "excess" animal protein?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3849684/

    You have to stop picking studies that appear to support you while ignoring or rejecting ones that don't.
  • FlaxMilk
    FlaxMilk Posts: 3,452 Member
    OP, I'm asking the following questions out of curiosity, not to challenge you. They are questions I've had before about raw veganism but never looked into because I know I wouldn't be able to handle being the raw aspect.

    1.) How do you get enough sodium? I saw that you had 1200 some milligrams in your diary, but I'm wondering if your sodium needs could be higher because of the amount of water in your typical foods. (I may just be overly focused on sodium because I have low blood pressure and want all the salt, all the time.) I have some concern about this for you since you are also working out.

    2.) Do you ever feel nausea from eating so much uncooked, high water content food? That's the main reason I know I couldn't do a raw diet. I tried to follow a four day plan that was heavily fruits and vegetables (but not entirely, there were protein/fat sources balanced in, and not all raw) and couldn't get enough food in because I felt sick.
  • elfo
    elfo Posts: 353 Member
    OP, I'm asking the following questions out of curiosity, not to challenge you. They are questions I've had before about raw veganism but never looked into because I know I wouldn't be able to handle being the raw aspect.

    1.) How do you get enough sodium? I saw that you had 1200 some milligrams in your diary, but I'm wondering if your sodium needs could be higher because of the amount of water in your typical foods. (I may just be overly focused on sodium because I have low blood pressure and want all the salt, all the time.) I have some concern about this for you since you are also working out.

    2.) Do you ever feel nausea from eating so much uncooked, high water content food? That's the main reason I know I couldn't do a raw diet. I tried to follow a four day plan that was heavily fruits and vegetables (but not entirely, there were protein/fat sources balanced in, and not all raw) and couldn't get enough food in because I felt sick.

    1) I've never had an issue with needing more sodium. sometimes I will use himilayan salt, but not a lot.
    2) I never get nausea eating this way. I don't ever get to where I feel "hungry" I think maybe that's where the nausea would come from maybe, but no I've never experienced that
    I did have detox in the beginning, but that was not one of the symptoms for me, but everyone has different detox symptoms.
  • meparker757
    meparker757 Posts: 50 Member
    :noway:

    That dissertation from the OP is EXACTLY why "vegan" has become a dirty word! Just eat your fruits and veggies and get on with your life. Following a vegan diet shouldn't define who you are, it's not a bumper sticker to put on your car, it's just food!

    I hate when people say "I'm vegan". It's like sucking all of the air out of the room. I learned pretty quickly a year ago when I transitioned my diet over to 90% fruits and veggies, to not identify with "vegans" even though technically I suppose I am.

    I think people miss the point about predominantly plant based diets. It's about health and feeling great, not about rules. If you are going to turn down a cheeseburger it should be because it is not your optimal food choice, not because you are "vegan" and don't eat meat or cheese.

    Besides, when "vegans" become a slave to these arbitrary rules, they feel guilty about eating foods that don't fall into that category. If my 5 year old asks me to try his grilled cheese sandwich, I am going to take a bite and not give it a second thought. Changing your friends because they don't eat the way you do?!? That's insane!

    I couldn't agree more...
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    I did have detox in the beginning, but that was not one of the symptoms for me, but everyone has different detox symptoms.

    Did you ever disclose what the toxin was that you eliminated from your body?
  • Territrek
    Territrek Posts: 34 Member


    Bad for me now might mean a bowl of quinoa or wild rice made into a vegan vegetable paella. Maybe a hot homemade lentil soup, or some hummus made from real garbanzo beans (not from a can and no oil). Or if I really want to veg-out (irony I know) I will make a plain bowl of popcorn on the stove. AND if I’m REALLY REALLY REALLY needing something super bad – I will go to Chipotle and have a vegan bowl with black beans, brown rice, veggies, pico de gallo, corn, lettuce and guacamole which is 555 calories, and me at my VERY worst. I want to stress that I don’t eat like this often. On a day-to-day basis I am pretty much eating VERY high if not ALL raw, but once in a blue moon, I will say F@^% the label and give my body what I think it needs, and I find by the next meal my body is lusting after a green juice.
  • Territrek
    Territrek Posts: 34 Member
    Wow, I am a vegan and your attitude and dietary choices appear way too way too extreme. For me life is too short obsessing over food. Eat raw if you want, but some foods are better cooked (like spinach). I hope you have some interests other than worrying about the kind of foods you will be eating! Please don't let your life pass you. Live a large life if possible.
  • Territrek
    Territrek Posts: 34 Member
    I couldn't agree more...
  • Territrek
    Territrek Posts: 34 Member
    Me too, and I eat vegan.
  • elfo
    elfo Posts: 353 Member
    Wow, I am a vegan and your attitude and dietary choices appear way too way too extreme. For me life is too short obsessing over food. Eat raw if you want, but some foods are better cooked (like spinach). I hope you have some interests other than worrying about the kind of foods you will be eating! Please don't let your life pass you. Live a large life if possible.

    Ha! I don't obsess about food at all. It's the same effort going to the store to buy fake "meat and dairy" vegan food than it is to buy fresh produce. I just eat the food that tastes good to me. What I eat is not an interest, it's what I eat, but it has helped me become more fit and so now I have more interests than ever before: running, boxing, yoga, hiking, salsa dancing, not to mention all the other non- active things that I do. This is what's "normal" for me now, so to be honest I don't really thing about it that much.
    It's the food I shop and keep in my house, so it's the food that I eat and makes me feel good.
    Last Friday night I had a girl's night at my house and we had Mexican night, and Saturday I had a raw vegan potluck. Both were with 10+ people (different people too) and both nights everyone loved the food- especially Mexican night and they weren't even vegan.
  • Wow, I am a vegan and your attitude and dietary choices appear way too way too extreme. For me life is too short obsessing over food. Eat raw if you want, but some foods are better cooked (like spinach). I hope you have some interests other than worrying about the kind of foods you will be eating! Please don't let your life pass you. Live a large life if possible.

    Ha! I don't obsess about food at all. It's the same effort going to the store to buy fake "meat and dairy" vegan food than it is to buy fresh produce. I just eat the food that tastes good to me. What I eat is not an interest, it's what I eat, but it has helped me become more fit and so now I have more interests than ever before: running, boxing, yoga, hiking, salsa dancing, not to mention all the other non- active things that I do. This is what's "normal" for me now, so to be honest I don't really thing about it that much.
    It's the food I shop and keep in my house, so it's the food that I eat and makes me feel good.
    Last Friday night I had a girl's night at my house and we had Mexican night, and Saturday I had a raw vegan potluck. Both were with 10+ people (different people too) and both nights everyone loved the food- especially Mexican night and they weren't even vegan.
    Well if you really enjoy eating that way and your health isn't suffering then keep doing what you're doing! If it ain't broke don't fix it! I wouldnt say there's one size fits all diet that works for everyone though
  • VeggieGal777
    VeggieGal777 Posts: 51 Member
    You are amazing!
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    some foods increase in nutritional value when cooked. Tomatoes for instance. I don't understand the focus on RAW.
  • Territrek
    Territrek Posts: 34 Member
    Glad you are leading a good life. Your initial post appeared a little too extreme. If it works for you go for it. if it starts not to, go for something else.:smile:
  • katya143
    katya143 Posts: 313 Member
    THANK YOU FOR THIS POST!!!!!!!!!
  • Rocbola
    Rocbola Posts: 1,998 Member
    You are amazing!
    This!!!

    Some just wont understand. Some will. Keep up the good work!
  • katya143
    katya143 Posts: 313 Member
    I can't believe my eyes!!! I read through this post and am sooooo proud of you... and people are here bashing your lifestyle and how you choose to live it!!! U are soooo inspiring... I have been researching and following freelee and durian... I look forward to watching your journey... we have been friends on MFP since u started your journey with the Dukan diet. I am sooo proud of you!!! KEEP IN TOUCH <3kat
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    You are amazing!
    This!!!

    Some just wont understand. Some will. Keep up the good work!

    Indeed, some of us won't understand...

    ...because no one will share their secret with us. For example:
    I did have detox in the beginning, but that was not one of the symptoms for me, but everyone has different detox symptoms.

    Did you ever disclose what the toxin was that you eliminated from your body?
  • jim180155
    jim180155 Posts: 769 Member
    Raw tastes good. Cooked veggies can taste good too if done right, but cooked carrots, peas or spinach on their own is a waste of food, IMO.
  • Philani
    Philani Posts: 1 Member
    I personally think being vegan becomes part of who you are. You are making a concious decision to eat whole foods and trying to promote that lifestyle. I don't think anyone can bash a raw diet or that you don't drink, the benefits are amazing. You are allowed to change your friends, they were holding you down and you felt that you couldn't be the person you wanted to be around them. I admire you for having the courage you had and can't possibly imagine why anyone would want to bash a stranger that they don't know.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,282 Member
    Whatever eating habits I change in my life ( which haven't been many) I would not consider it worth losing my friends over.
    I have friends who eat differently to me ( eg are vegetarian or don't drink etc ) but that doesn't stop us being friends.
    Fortunately they don't think I am holding them down either.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    Hello necro, my old friend.