Need serious help with SUGAR!!!!

If given a choice between a pharmaceutical and cannabis, I would have him stick with cannabis. He is doing better now than he has in a very long time, even has a part-time job now. :bigsmile:



ETA: And I think anti-psychotics are WAY over-prescribed anyway, same as anti-depressants and anti-biotics.

But, that's not the case for someone who is biploar or schizophrenic or has other pervasive psychiatric disorders.

Part of the problem is our "quick fix" society and part of the problem is that people without psychiatric training are permitted to initially prescribe psych meds, don't know how to titrate them, and do not require counseling. PCPs don't know near enough to be prescribing psych meds as they do.

A pill can't be titrated like cannabis can. And too much can be a serious problem, just as rapid withdrawal can be a problem. Cannabis is the safest therapeutic substance ever known. Also, I see bi-polar as being more similar to ADHD than to schizophrenia.


For example, when I was trying to get ADHD meds, the shrink wanted to give me a med that is supposed to prevent hallucinations. I'm like, "I don't have any hallucinations." And the shrink is like, "Well, we have to make sure you aren't psychotic before I can trust a doctor's diagnosis from a decade ago."

So I left. I went to my primary doctor, and he gave me anti-depressants instead, which made my ADHD *worse* instead of better.

I gave up. I haven't taken any ADHD meds in twenty years now. I *did* go for counseling. This was back when my employer paid for it. My counselor helped me more than any drug ever could. He gave me a LOT of helpful tips on using ADHD to my advantage instead of letting it control my life and screw up my employment, which is basically what had been happening. I had been self-medicating with street drugs and ended up just partying through the weekend and then always sleeping at work and such. I still say a small dose of Methylphenidate on a daily basis would do me a world of good, but for some reason, it's only deemed safe for children with ADHD. Once you are an adult, Methylphenidate is suddenly dangerous. *eye roll*

(One more interesting note: My brother had originally been diagnosed ADHD as a kid, but then when he hit puberty, the quack shrink decided he was bi-polar instead. So who knows?)

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Anytime it seems like we might just be getting somewhere.... someone has to come along and do this.

If given a choice between a pharmaceutical and cannabis, I would have him stick with cannabis. He is doing better now than he has in a very long time, even has a part-time job now. :bigsmile:



ETA: And I think anti-psychotics are WAY over-prescribed anyway, same as anti-depressants and anti-biotics.

But, that's not the case for someone who is biploar or schizophrenic or has other pervasive psychiatric disorders.

Part of the problem is our "quick fix" society and part of the problem is that people without psychiatric training are permitted to initially prescribe psych meds, don't know how to titrate them, and do not require counseling. PCPs don't know near enough to be prescribing psych meds as they do.

A pill can't be titrated like cannabis can. And too much can be a serious problem, just as rapid withdrawal can be a problem. Cannabis is the safest therapeutic substance ever known. Also, I see bi-polar as being more similar to ADHD than to schizophrenia.


For example, when I was trying to get ADHD meds, the shrink wanted to give me a med that is supposed to prevent hallucinations. I'm like, "I don't have any hallucinations." And the shrink is like, "Well, we have to make sure you aren't psychotic before I can trust a doctor's diagnosis from a decade ago."

So I left. I went to my primary doctor, and he gave me anti-depressants instead, which made my ADHD *worse* instead of better.

I gave up. I haven't taken any ADHD meds in twenty years now. I *did* go for counseling. This was back when my employer paid for it. My counselor helped me more than any drug ever could. He gave me a LOT of helpful tips on using ADHD to my advantage instead of letting it control my life and screw up my employment, which is basically what had been happening. I had been self-medicating with street drugs and ended up just partying through the weekend and then always sleeping at work and such. I still say a small dose of Methylphenidate on a daily basis would do me a world of good, but for some reason, it's only deemed safe for children with ADHD. Once you are an adult, Methylphenidate is suddenly dangerous. *eye roll*

(One more interesting note: My brother had originally been diagnosed ADHD as a kid, but then when he hit puberty, the quack shrink decided he was bi-polar instead. So who knows?)

Just wanted to say that of course a pill can be titrated unless it is specifically a slow release compound. I don't know of any good studies that show cannabis treating either ADHD or bi-polar. In fact, in many people, it has the effect of making them less likely to be productive. I say this as someone who thinks it should be legal, because it definitely has uses for cancer patients, Crohn's and IBS to name 3 off the top of my head.

Have an operation to remove taste buds. End of problem.

Am I the OP??? I'm really confused now.

Why do we keep going in circles? How am I supposed to answer why I can eat fruit and honey in a sensible amount but not cakes and ice cream? That's why I am here! I came here for help with sweets and why I get out of control with them.

Because cake and ice cream are very palatable. It's easy to get out of control with things that taste good. I can put away a whole box of "Chicken in a Biscuit" within a matter of minutes if I didn't care about using up calories.
It really does come down to habit forming. Eat one scoop of ice cream and that's it. No really that's it, till at least the next day.

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One scoop of ice cream? That's it??? Hahaha, you're funny

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my point to the OP is that crack and cocaine are both cocaine, so how could you be addicted to crack, but not cocaine..which is the same as saying I am addicted to processed sugar, but I can eat fruit and honey all day with no problem….

Am I the OP??? I'm really confused now.

Why do we keep going in circles? How am I supposed to answer why I can eat fruit and honey in a sensible amount but not cakes and ice cream? That's why I am here! I came here for help with sweets and why I get out of control with them.

because you do not have a sugar addiction ..

you have an overeating problem

sorry to be blunt...

Here we go again... then why not over eat all the food I eat?

I googled 'hyperpalatable food, and found this article-

""A former FDA commissioner explains why people overeat -- and how to end poor eating habits.


WebMD Feature Archive
By Elizabeth Lee
WebMD Feature
Reviewed by Brunilda Nazario, MD

Does the ice cream in the freezer keep calling your name? Can't resist a jumbo bucket of popcorn at the movies?

Powerful forces you don't recognize may be driving you to overeat, according to a new book by former FDA Commissioner David Kessler, MD. The culprits: fat, salt, sugar, and brain chemistry.

Kessler stops short of calling Americans' love for sugary, fatty foods a "food addiction." But he believes there are similarities between why some people abuse drugs and why some of us can't resist every last deep-fried chip on a heaped plate of cheese-smothered nachos.

Knowing what's driving our overeating behavior is the first step to changing it, he says.

"For some, it's alcohol," Kessler tells WebMD. "For some, it's drugs. For some, it's gambling. For many of us, it's food."

Kessler, a Harvard-trained pediatrician and medical school professor at the University of California, San Francisco, started researching what would become The End of Overeating after watching an overweight woman talk about obsessive eating habits on The Oprah Winfrey Show. It sounded familiar. Kessler's own weight has zoomed up and down over the years, leaving him with suits of every size.

"For much of my life, sugar, fat, and salt held remarkable sway over my behavior," he writes.

And so the man who tackled tobacco companies while leading the FDA started researching why he couldn't turn down a chocolate chip cookie. He pored over studies on taste preferences, eating habits, and brain activity, conducted studies, and talked to food industry insiders, scientists, and people who struggled with overeating.

His theory: "Hyperpalatable" foods -- those loaded with fat, sugar, and salt -- stimulate the senses and provide a reward that leads many people to eat more to repeat the experience.

"I think the evidence is emerging, and the body of evidence is pretty significant," Kessler says.

He calls it conditioned hypereating, and here's how he says it works. When someone consumes a sugary, fatty food they enjoy, it stimulates endorphins, chemicals in the brain that signal a pleasurable experience. Those chemicals stimulate us to eat more of that type of food -- and also calm us down and make us feel good.

The brain also releases dopamine, which motivates us to pursue more of that food. And cues steer us back to it, too: the sight of the food, a road lined with familiar restaurants, perhaps a vending machine that sells a favorite candy bar. The food becomes a habit. We don't realize why we're eating it and why we can't control our appetite for it.

Once the food becomes a habit, it may not offer the same satisfaction. We look for foods higher in fat and sugar to bring back the thrill.

Kessler points to these factors as the cause of a dramatic spike in the number of overweight Americans in the past three decades.""

So according to people on this thread, there is no such thing as an addiction to SUGAR, but there IS an addiction to HYPERPALATABLE FOOD.

And what pray tell is Hyperpalatable food? Why it appears to be foods with Fat, Sugar and salt.

So apparently the debate has now been settled.

ETA: And I may have misread, but if you were referring to Crohn's, it has been studied in England, in Spain, and quite thoroughly in Israel. You might want to do some research if you haven't. Cannabidiol is apparently capable of healing the gut, which is why it's capable of putting Crohn's in remission.

This is very interesting! It's time to do some research on Cannabidoil. I have lymphocytic Colitis, not the same as Chrons but would really love to know it if helps. I do not like the feeling of being high though.

So after reading thru several articles from reputable sources, according to them, the best way to beat an addiction to foods that are high in sugar, fat, and salt, is to choose whole foods that only have one ingredient. Try to stay away from processed foods and restaurant foods that combine these 3 magic ingredients in a way to make you overeat them.

Choose fruits- they have sugar, but not fat.
Nuts-they have fat, but not sugar.
Just don't eat foods that combine fat and sugar, and especially not those that combine them with salt.

"Behavioral disorder" is a better description.