2 weeks on Lyle Mcdonald's RFLD...advice please?
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OP asks for advice and welcomes discussion, gets defensive when people offer said advice and provide discussion. Go home OP, you drunk.
Show me how I'm getting the advice I asked for? I asked for suggestions of why my progress has been slow and I get told I'm lying about my calorie intake. That doesn't add to the discussion or offer any insight because it's an incorrect accusation. You must be a troll.
OP, you stated about that your weight loss is going slow. With not a lot to lose, it's going to be slow. The other poster wasn't trying to call you a liar, just pointing out the fact that with PCOS and not that much to lose, you have to hold yourself SEVERELY accountable. Make sure that you've refigured your TDEE after each 5lb loss.
Try not to get so offensive. Progress is progress, even if it takes you longer. It's taken me almost 5 months to lose 10lbs.
It was just that the calorie deficit didn't match expected loss and that's what I was curious about. People are suggesting my calorie intake is much higher than what I'm logging and I got a bit sick of saying over and over how accurate I was being only to be told I wasn't. On this type of diet I'd expect at least 1lb loss per week but I will cut my calories more and see what happens. Thanks for your input.
I understand; but there are going to be weeks when you don't lose, and weeks when you do. Your body is going to do what it wants. Make sure you are staying at a deficit that is appropriate for you and accounting for EVERYTHING you put in your mouth; that's what people here are trying to get you to understand. That stuff adds up quickly. Check labels, weigh your food, etc., all things people have already told you. It may go slow, but it will happen if you are doing it correctly. You just can't rush it.
And since I haven't read this said before in this thread: Weight loss is not linear. Please keep that in mind when your scale is jumping up and down day to day, or staying stagnant.
ETA: A free meal, if it's big enough, can be enough to knock out a week's deficit. So LOG THOSE0 -
It's not a meaningful exchanges - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas
Neither is she. People tried to help her. She got mad.0 -
Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).
I know you're right, it's absolutely unhelpful and useless and total misunderstanding of the point of the thread. It's funny how some people can be so narrow-minded huh? This is how people get their kicks - sit behind a computer screen and abuse others. Sad state the world is in. All the trolls taking up the thread I need to go back and find your previous post
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It's not a meaningful exchanges - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas
Neither is she. People tried to help her. She got mad.
You got a weird definition of the word helpful.0 -
No...she doesn't get it and won't get it. No matter how many times she's given great advice.
OP - You've been given some really great advice on this thread. Sorry you don't like it.
I do suspect that you only posted because you hoped someone would come along and pat you on the back and say great idea! I did it and it worked! Then I bet your tune would change and you'd want to know how and every little thing they did. You're not going to get that here. Why? Because MFP doesn't promote unhealthy weight loss ideas with any VLCD and it's against their TOS.
There was someone on here that you really should have listened to and you were HORRIBLY rude to that person and others on here and all you want to do is stand there and say "I'm different, I'm special". No, sorry you're not.
The truth is the closer you get to your weight goal the closer to maintenance you should be eating. The closer to goal you get you should be aiming for .5 lbs a week, which is healthy.
You said you already have a slow metabolism. You know what starving yourself is going to do? Make it even slower. So have fun wrecking your metabolism. It won't be so easy to fix it.
Instead of getting mad at the people here giving you wonderful advice maybe you should take your question to your doctor. Get them to help you out and decide what's best. Because obviously, someone who was just like you, oh I mean, you guys were similar because I know that you are "special", well they worked their hard, they lost the weight and yet, that's just not good enough for you. That's just not good enough for you to even CONSIDER listening to.
So just stop getting mad at the people who were trying to help you because you don't actually want help, so you shouldn't have asked for any advice on anything in the first place.
Thanks for yet another "know it all" ignorant response. You can get off your soap box now you must feel so good about yourself. Have a good evening
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It wasn't ignorant. The only ignorant one here is you. I even put some other info in there about how when you are closer to goal you need to be eating closer to maintenance and a weight loss goal of .5 is more applicable.
But again, you won't get it, so good luck. :flowerforyou:0 -
OP, also keep in mind that 2 weeks is a pretty short time to expect to see results. Sometimes people see the super awesome first week loss but form my experience I am not one of them. You might just need to stick with it for a month and see where it takes you.0
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It's not a meaningful exchanges - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas
Neither is she. People tried to help her. She got mad.
You got a weird definition of the word helpful.
No, the person who had PCOS, lost weight and became a body builder...yeah she gave you great advice and you insulted her, mocked her and shunned it. Again, good luck.
ETA: Because while she started out as obese at one point she was only 15 lbs from her goal also.0 -
Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).
I know you're right, it's absolutely unhelpful and useless and total misunderstanding of the point of the thread. It's funny how some people can be so narrow-minded huh? This is how people get their kicks - sit behind a computer screen and abuse others. Sad state the world is in. All the trolls taking up the thread I need to go back and find your previous post
This is a tad ironic.
Someone with PCOS AND success comes into a thread and offers you some very helpful, constructive advice. Your response was to name call and insist that the other person lacked reading comp skills. No. She read what you wrote, took the time to review your diary, told you things that you aren't "getting" and then left because you became insulting and dismissed her.
Give up your free days. You haven't earned them. You haven't been consistent at all. Free days are for people who have had success. You haven't earned them yet.
Now, to reiterate the best advice you've gotten and are ever going to get.
Eat 1500 calories religiously. Don't eat back exercise calories. Lift some weights and start working the muscles. DON'T have cheat days. You're guesstimating those cheat days and it's ruining any chance of progress.
Starving yourself is a bad idea. You're angry enough.
I'm out.0 -
OP asks for advice and welcomes discussion, gets defensive when people offer said advice and provide discussion. Go home OP, you drunk.
Show me how I'm getting the advice I asked for? I asked for suggestions of why my progress has been slow and I get told I'm lying about my calorie intake. That doesn't add to the discussion or offer any insight because it's an incorrect accusation. You must be a troll.
OP, you stated about that your weight loss is going slow. With not a lot to lose, it's going to be slow. The other poster wasn't trying to call you a liar, just pointing out the fact that with PCOS and not that much to lose, you have to hold yourself SEVERELY accountable. Make sure that you've refigured your TDEE after each 5lb loss.
Try not to get so offensive. Progress is progress, even if it takes you longer. It's taken me almost 5 months to lose 10lbs.
It was just that the calorie deficit didn't match expected loss and that's what I was curious about. People are suggesting my calorie intake is much higher than what I'm logging and I got a bit sick of saying over and over how accurate I was being only to be told I wasn't. On this type of diet I'd expect at least 1lb loss per week but I will cut my calories more and see what happens. Thanks for your input.
I understand; but there are going to be weeks when you don't lose, and weeks when you do. Your body is going to do what it wants. Make sure you are staying at a deficit that is appropriate for you and accounting for EVERYTHING you put in your mouth; that's what people here are trying to get you to understand. That stuff adds up quickly. Check labels, weigh your food, etc., all things people have already told you. It may go slow, but it will happen if you are doing it correctly. You just can't rush it.
And since I haven't read this said before in this thread: Weight loss is not linear. Please keep that in mind when your scale is jumping up and down day to day, or staying stagnant.
ETA: A free meal, if it's big enough, can be enough to knock out a week's deficit. So LOG THOSE
Believe me, I'm not new to this weight loss business. I am accounting for 90% of my calories but I'm done arguing about it. The scale is starting to go down, my measurements are going down, and as long as that keeps happening I'm happy. Honestly I don't care about an extra 600 cals that I MIGHT have eaten if my deficit is 5000, you know? Trust me I'm doing all the stuff you said - I am meticulous about it. I freak out if I can't find calories on the label! I search through a number of foods similar and pick the one with the highest cals. I do log free meals too, I just may add something in that doesn't get logged (e.g. half a cookie and a few peanuts) not a whole meal.
I actually said in one of my posts that weight loss is not linear. Experience has shown me that so don't worry I'm not expecting that. I'm only 2 weeks in and I was just hoping there'd be a huge loss initially. Thanks 0 -
Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).
I know you're right, it's absolutely unhelpful and useless and total misunderstanding of the point of the thread. It's funny how some people can be so narrow-minded huh? This is how people get their kicks - sit behind a computer screen and abuse others. Sad state the world is in. All the trolls taking up the thread I need to go back and find your previous post
This is a tad ironic.
Someone with PCOS AND success comes into a thread and offers you some very helpful, constructive advice. Your response was to name call and insist that the other person lacked reading comp skills. No. She read what you wrote, took the time to review your diary, told you things that you aren't "getting" and then left because you became insulting and dismissed her.
Give up your free days. You haven't earned them. You haven't been consistent at all. Free days are for people who have had success. You haven't earned them yet.
Now, to reiterate the best advice you've gotten and are ever going to get.
Eat 1500 calories religiously. Don't eat back exercise calories. Lift some weights and start working the muscles. DON'T have cheat days. Your guesstimating those cheat days and it's ruining any chance of progress.
Starving yourself is a bad idea. You're angry enough.
I'm out.
The free days are part of the diet, they aren't "earned" and you haven't even paid attention to my posts. Please go comment on something you know something about. Thanks for stopping by.0 -
Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).
I know you're right, it's absolutely unhelpful and useless and total misunderstanding of the point of the thread. It's funny how some people can be so narrow-minded huh? This is how people get their kicks - sit behind a computer screen and abuse others. Sad state the world is in. All the trolls taking up the thread I need to go back and find your previous post
Evidently you have a funny and strange definition of narrow minded. It couldn't possibly be YOU who is narrow minded since you are unwilling to listen to anyone whose not telling you what you want to hear?
nar·row-mind·ed [nar-oh-mahyn-did] adjective 1. having or showing a prejudiced mind, as persons or opinions; biased. 2. not receptive to new ideas; having a closed mind.0 -
Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).
I know you're right, it's absolutely unhelpful and useless and total misunderstanding of the point of the thread. It's funny how some people can be so narrow-minded huh? This is how people get their kicks - sit behind a computer screen and abuse others. Sad state the world is in. All the trolls taking up the thread I need to go back and find your previous post
I used to think it was a genuine misunderstanding, and so I tried to explain and clarify. Some called that backpedaling. Others grossly mischaracterized prior statements. So, now, I'm fairly confident that it's intentional on their part. I suppose it could still be gross incompetence, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on that.
I've seen it with ndj1979, QuietBloom, graceisjinxed (not as heavily with her -- but her last post is a good example). However, there are also some great people out there where I've had really interesting exchanges -- Cortelli, Milk Flax, etc. Keep the good; discard the bad.0 -
No...she doesn't get it and won't get it. No matter how many times she's given great advice.
OP - You've been given some really great advice on this thread. Sorry you don't like it.
I do suspect that you only posted because you hoped someone would come along and pat you on the back and say great idea! I did it and it worked! Then I bet your tune would change and you'd want to know how and every little thing they did. You're not going to get that here. Why? Because MFP doesn't promote unhealthy weight loss ideas with any VLCD and it's against their TOS.
There was someone on here that you really should have listened to and you were HORRIBLY rude to that person and others on here and all you want to do is stand there and say "I'm different, I'm special". No, sorry you're not.
The truth is the closer you get to your weight goal the closer to maintenance you should be eating. The closer to goal you get you should be aiming for .5 lbs a week, which is healthy.
You said you already have a slow metabolism. You know what starving yourself is going to do? Make it even slower. So have fun wrecking your metabolism. It won't be so easy to fix it.
Instead of getting mad at the people here giving you wonderful advice maybe you should take your question to your doctor. Get them to help you out and decide what's best. Because obviously, someone who was just like you, oh I mean, you guys were similar because I know that you are "special", well they worked their hard, they lost the weight and yet, that's just not good enough for you. That's just not good enough for you to even CONSIDER listening to.
So just stop getting mad at the people who were trying to help you because you don't actually want help, so you shouldn't have asked for any advice on anything in the first place.
Thanks for yet another "know it all" ignorant response. You can get off your soap box now you must feel so good about yourself. Have a good evening
It wasn't ignorant. The only ignorant one here is you. I even put some other info in there about how when you are closer to goal you need to be eating closer to maintenance and a weight loss goal of .5 is more applicable.
But again, you won't get it, so good luck. :flowerforyou:
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Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).
I know you're right, it's absolutely unhelpful and useless and total misunderstanding of the point of the thread. It's funny how some people can be so narrow-minded huh? This is how people get their kicks - sit behind a computer screen and abuse others. Sad state the world is in. All the trolls taking up the thread I need to go back and find your previous post
This is a tad ironic.
Someone with PCOS AND success comes into a thread and offers you some very helpful, constructive advice. Your response was to name call and insist that the other person lacked reading comp skills. No. She read what you wrote, took the time to review your diary, told you things that you aren't "getting" and then left because you became insulting and dismissed her.
Give up your free days. You haven't earned them. You haven't been consistent at all. Free days are for people who have had success. You haven't earned them yet.
Now, to reiterate the best advice you've gotten and are ever going to get.
Eat 1500 calories religiously. Don't eat back exercise calories. Lift some weights and start working the muscles. DON'T have cheat days. Your guesstimating those cheat days and it's ruining any chance of progress.
Starving yourself is a bad idea. You're angry enough.
I'm out.
The free days are part of the diet, they aren't "earned" and you haven't even paid attention to my posts. Please go comment on something you know something about. Thanks for stopping by.
I read your whole thread. I know what I'm talking about. I think I've earned the right after 60 pounds lost, health battles a whole lot more serious than PCOS, and I've had remarkable success. But then, I was willing to read, listen, and actually learn.
If the plan you're on calls for free days, it's a bad plan for you. Honestly, I don't think anything is going to work for you.0 -
Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).
I know you're right, it's absolutely unhelpful and useless and total misunderstanding of the point of the thread. It's funny how some people can be so narrow-minded huh? This is how people get their kicks - sit behind a computer screen and abuse others. Sad state the world is in. All the trolls taking up the thread I need to go back and find your previous post
Evidently you have a funny and strange definition of narrow minded. It couldn't possibly be YOU who is narrow minded since you are unwilling to listen to anyone whose not telling you what you want to hear?
nar·row-mind·ed [nar-oh-mahyn-did] adjective 1. having or showing a prejudiced mind, as persons or opinions; biased. 2. not receptive to new ideas; having a closed mind.
2. not receptive to new ideas...Oh! Sorry where were there any NEW ideas? This diet seems to be a new idea to a lot of you yet you've been very critical of me even giving it a try. If you're not going to pay attention to the posts you really don't need to bother taking part 0 -
OP, also keep in mind that 2 weeks is a pretty short time to expect to see results. Sometimes people see the super awesome first week loss but form my experience I am not one of them. You might just need to stick with it for a month and see where it takes you.
Yes I know I need to give it some time. Other people seem to think I'm an idiot for not giving up after 2 weeks. I will keep at it! Thanks for not being judgemental 0 -
On this type of diet I'd expect at least 1lb loss per week but I will cut my calories more and see what happens. Thanks for your input.
Someone with 10 pounds to lose cannot expect to lose 1 pound per week in a healthy way.0 -
OP asks for advice and welcomes discussion, gets defensive when people offer said advice and provide discussion. Go home OP, you drunk.
Show me how I'm getting the advice I asked for? I asked for suggestions of why my progress has been slow and I get told I'm lying about my calorie intake. That doesn't add to the discussion or offer any insight because it's an incorrect accusation. You must be a troll.
OP, you stated about that your weight loss is going slow. With not a lot to lose, it's going to be slow. The other poster wasn't trying to call you a liar, just pointing out the fact that with PCOS and not that much to lose, you have to hold yourself SEVERELY accountable. Make sure that you've refigured your TDEE after each 5lb loss.
Try not to get so offensive. Progress is progress, even if it takes you longer. It's taken me almost 5 months to lose 10lbs.
It was just that the calorie deficit didn't match expected loss and that's what I was curious about. People are suggesting my calorie intake is much higher than what I'm logging and I got a bit sick of saying over and over how accurate I was being only to be told I wasn't. On this type of diet I'd expect at least 1lb loss per week but I will cut my calories more and see what happens. Thanks for your input.
I understand; but there are going to be weeks when you don't lose, and weeks when you do. Your body is going to do what it wants. Make sure you are staying at a deficit that is appropriate for you and accounting for EVERYTHING you put in your mouth; that's what people here are trying to get you to understand. That stuff adds up quickly. Check labels, weigh your food, etc., all things people have already told you. It may go slow, but it will happen if you are doing it correctly. You just can't rush it.
And since I haven't read this said before in this thread: Weight loss is not linear. Please keep that in mind when your scale is jumping up and down day to day, or staying stagnant.
ETA: A free meal, if it's big enough, can be enough to knock out a week's deficit. So LOG THOSE
Believe me, I'm not new to this weight loss business. I am accounting for 90% of my calories but I'm done arguing about it. The scale is starting to go down, my measurements are going down, and as long as that keeps happening I'm happy. Honestly I don't care about an extra 600 cals that I MIGHT have eaten if my deficit is 5000, you know? Trust me I'm doing all the stuff you said - I am meticulous about it. I freak out if I can't find calories on the label! I search through a number of foods similar and pick the one with the highest cals. I do log free meals too, I just may add something in that doesn't get logged (e.g. half a cookie and a few peanuts) not a whole meal.
I actually said in one of my posts that weight loss is not linear. Experience has shown me that so don't worry I'm not expecting that. I'm only 2 weeks in and I was just hoping there'd be a huge loss initially. Thanks
Wow.
Sounds like you just wanted a high five for your unhealthy dieting.
Won't get it.
To be honest, I could care less about what you think you know or what you ARE doing to your body. It is yours.
What I do care about is how people who try to give good advice, those who have PCOS, or have lost a lot of weight give you advice to help you and you're rude to them. I'd listen because many have been there.
We see a lot of posts just like yours that say "well I'm not losing weight, but I swear I'm measuring" or "My case is special, so I need to starve myself" etc etc etc.
Whatever.
Enjoy your starvation because you haven't listened to any helpful advice.0 -
It's not a meaningful exchanges - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas
Neither is she. People tried to help her. She got mad.
You got a weird definition of the word helpful.
No, the person who had PCOS, lost weight and became a body builder...yeah she gave you great advice and you insulted her, mocked her and shunned it. Again, good luck.
ETA: Because while she started out as obese at one point she was only 15 lbs from her goal also.
You've had your say, move on.0 -
OP asks for advice and welcomes discussion, gets defensive when people offer said advice and provide discussion. Go home OP, you drunk.
Show me how I'm getting the advice I asked for? I asked for suggestions of why my progress has been slow and I get told I'm lying about my calorie intake. That doesn't add to the discussion or offer any insight because it's an incorrect accusation. You must be a troll.
OP, you stated about that your weight loss is going slow. With not a lot to lose, it's going to be slow. The other poster wasn't trying to call you a liar, just pointing out the fact that with PCOS and not that much to lose, you have to hold yourself SEVERELY accountable. Make sure that you've refigured your TDEE after each 5lb loss.
Try not to get so offensive. Progress is progress, even if it takes you longer. It's taken me almost 5 months to lose 10lbs.
It was just that the calorie deficit didn't match expected loss and that's what I was curious about. People are suggesting my calorie intake is much higher than what I'm logging and I got a bit sick of saying over and over how accurate I was being only to be told I wasn't. On this type of diet I'd expect at least 1lb loss per week but I will cut my calories more and see what happens. Thanks for your input.
I understand; but there are going to be weeks when you don't lose, and weeks when you do. Your body is going to do what it wants. Make sure you are staying at a deficit that is appropriate for you and accounting for EVERYTHING you put in your mouth; that's what people here are trying to get you to understand. That stuff adds up quickly. Check labels, weigh your food, etc., all things people have already told you. It may go slow, but it will happen if you are doing it correctly. You just can't rush it.
And since I haven't read this said before in this thread: Weight loss is not linear. Please keep that in mind when your scale is jumping up and down day to day, or staying stagnant.
ETA: A free meal, if it's big enough, can be enough to knock out a week's deficit. So LOG THOSE
Believe me, I'm not new to this weight loss business. I am accounting for 90% of my calories but I'm done arguing about it. The scale is starting to go down, my measurements are going down, and as long as that keeps happening I'm happy. Honestly I don't care about an extra 600 cals that I MIGHT have eaten if my deficit is 5000, you know? Trust me I'm doing all the stuff you said - I am meticulous about it. I freak out if I can't find calories on the label! I search through a number of foods similar and pick the one with the highest cals. I do log free meals too, I just may add something in that doesn't get logged (e.g. half a cookie and a few peanuts) not a whole meal.
I actually said in one of my posts that weight loss is not linear. Experience has shown me that so don't worry I'm not expecting that. I'm only 2 weeks in and I was just hoping there'd be a huge loss initially. Thanks
Wow.
Sounds like you just wanted a high five for your unhealthy dieting.
Won't get it.
To be honest, I could care less about what you think you know or what you ARE doing to your body. It is yours.
What I do care about is how people who try to give good advice, those who have PCOS, or have lost a lot of weight give you advice to help you and you're rude to them. I'd listen because many have been there.
We see a lot of posts just like yours that say "well I'm not losing weight, but I swear I'm measuring" or "My case is special, so I need to starve myself" etc etc etc.
Whatever.
Enjoy your starvation because you haven't listened to any helpful advice.
Thaaanks, buh bye 0 -
On this type of diet I'd expect at least 1lb loss per week but I will cut my calories more and see what happens. Thanks for your input.
Someone with 10 pounds to lose cannot expect to lose 1 pound per week in a healthy way.
I tried telling her that. She didn't want to hear that or even acknowledge it. Logic doesn't belong here.
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Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).
I know you're right, it's absolutely unhelpful and useless and total misunderstanding of the point of the thread. It's funny how some people can be so narrow-minded huh? This is how people get their kicks - sit behind a computer screen and abuse others. Sad state the world is in. All the trolls taking up the thread I need to go back and find your previous post
This is a tad ironic.
Someone with PCOS AND success comes into a thread and offers you some very helpful, constructive advice. Your response was to name call and insist that the other person lacked reading comp skills. No. She read what you wrote, took the time to review your diary, told you things that you aren't "getting" and then left because you became insulting and dismissed her.
Give up your free days. You haven't earned them. You haven't been consistent at all. Free days are for people who have had success. You haven't earned them yet.
Now, to reiterate the best advice you've gotten and are ever going to get.
Eat 1500 calories religiously. Don't eat back exercise calories. Lift some weights and start working the muscles. DON'T have cheat days. Your guesstimating those cheat days and it's ruining any chance of progress.
Starving yourself is a bad idea. You're angry enough.
I'm out.
The free days are part of the diet, they aren't "earned" and you haven't even paid attention to my posts. Please go comment on something you know something about. Thanks for stopping by.
I read your whole thread. I know what I'm talking about. I think I've earned the right after 60 pounds lost, health battles a whole lot more serious than PCOS, and I've had remarkable success. But then, I was willing to read, listen, and actually learn.
If the plan you're on calls for free days, it's a bad plan for you. Honestly, I don't think anything is going to work for you.
Well freedom of speech entitles you to say what you want, whether it's of any value or not. The refeeds are for the purpose of increasing leptin and to help you stick with the diet, they are not a licence to binge.0 -
Like you've already said, 2 weeks is way too early. If you want to continue this diet, check again in another 2 weeks and see where that takes you. You could be retaining water, or anything else. If you're eating a lot of sodium (I hadn't looked in your diet) that could be masking weight loss. Just an FYI.0
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On this type of diet I'd expect at least 1lb loss per week but I will cut my calories more and see what happens. Thanks for your input.
Someone with 10 pounds to lose cannot expect to lose 1 pound per week in a healthy way.
I tried telling her that. She didn't want to hear that or even acknowledge it. Logic doesn't belong here.
I have more than 10lbs to lose. I never said I believed this diet is "healthy", but it is safe and short term. If I don't want to wait a year to lose 10lbs that's my choice and I have the right not to be judged for that. LOGIC dictates you can lose 1lb per week be creating a 3,500 cal deficit. My deficit is bigger than that and I'm losing less - I was simply asking for some insight into why that might be. Really.0 -
How long are you planning on doing this diet? As written, it is a two week diet only, and not only that, it has a rather strong warning against doing it longer:People tend to read diet books selectively, hearing what they want to hear and ignoring the rest
(especially the warnings). Once people hear just how much fat they can lose in a short period of time,
they turn into dumb****s. They’ll try to stay on an extreme approach like this for extended periods of
time and get themselves into trouble. Then they blame me. And I simply don’t need that crap in my
life. If you’re going to be a dumb**** and not follow my recommendations exactly, don’t blame anyone
but yourself if you get into problems. My recommendations are going to be very specific, you ignore
them at your own risk.
In addition, he recommends this diets for body builders before contests, weight class athletes, and to "kickstart" a moderate diet. He actually says he prefers that everyone lose weight with a moderate diet.
Oh, and in.0 -
Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).
I know you're right, it's absolutely unhelpful and useless and total misunderstanding of the point of the thread. It's funny how some people can be so narrow-minded huh? This is how people get their kicks - sit behind a computer screen and abuse others. Sad state the world is in. All the trolls taking up the thread I need to go back and find your previous post
I used to think it was a genuine misunderstanding, and so I tried to explain and clarify. Some called that backpedaling. Others grossly mischaracterized prior statements. So, now, I'm fairly confident that it's intentional on their part. I suppose it could still be gross incompetence, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on that.
I've seen it with ndj1979, QuietBloom, graceisjinxed (not as heavily with her -- but her last post is a good example). However, there are also some great people out there where I've had really interesting exchanges -- Cortelli, Milk Flax, etc. Keep the good; discard the bad.
Well there seems to be a lot of resistance to accepting other people's choices huh? Then they get upset when you retaliate to their rudeness. It's a lot of taking things out of context, twisting words and refusing to keep judgements to themselves. 90% of people are judgemental though, it's a real shame. I see it everywhere. I ask people something about a supplement for a diet experiment I'm doing and I get purposely vague so that I don't get judged on the diet but the responses I get are, "Why are you experimenting? Don't be stupid just eat a balanced diet". It's funny how people just can't help themselves!! hahaha. I mean I absolutely did expect it from here and even from Lyle's site but they are sooooo nice on that site 0 -
Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).
right, everyone that disagrees with you has a "psychological" issue..I guess that is an improvement over everyone "misunderstanding" the five thousand contradictory statements that you come up with on a daily basis.
If you look over the advice that was given OP in this thread it was very meaningful, she just chose to lash out at everyone and keep saying "you do not understand me, I am different"....hey, wait a minute are you two sisters? You seem to think that everyone just does not "understand" you ...0 -
Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).
Lindsey, I don't know how to tell you this, but you frequently use "per se" incorrectly.
I know this is nitpicky, but it bothers me and I can't help myself.
I think that what you are trying to say in the sentence above is: "I don't know what their issues are, but they're significant." "Per se" means "intrinsically" and really isn't applicable in this context.
Also, "personal psychological issues" is redundant. What other kinds of psychological issues would a person have? Non-personal?
Please just relax. You're trying too hard, honey.0 -
How long are you planning on doing this diet? As written, it is a two week diet only, and not only that, it has a rather strong warning against doing it longer:People tend to read diet books selectively, hearing what they want to hear and ignoring the rest
(especially the warnings). Once people hear just how much fat they can lose in a short period of time,
they turn into dumb****s. They’ll try to stay on an extreme approach like this for extended periods of
time and get themselves into trouble. Then they blame me. And I simply don’t need that crap in my
life. If you’re going to be a dumb**** and not follow my recommendations exactly, don’t blame anyone
but yourself if you get into problems. My recommendations are going to be very specific, you ignore
them at your own risk.
In addition, he recommends this diets for body builders before contests, weight class athletes, and to "kickstart" a moderate diet. He actually says he prefers that everyone lose weight with a moderate diet.
Oh, and in.
I've read the book and only cat 1 dieters can do it short term. Cat 2 are able to do it for 2-6 weeks at a time. I was planning on 4 weeks with a 2 week break after, which is well within his recommendations. I would also prefer to lose weight with a moderate diet, it just wasn't producing any results so I've chosen to try this out and see how I get on.0 -
Deethebee -- just let the other stuff go with the other posters. I've literally had similar conversations with many of them, ndj1979 in particular. It's useless. It's not a meaningful exchangs - people like him are not interested in an honest exchange of ideas (unlike someone like Cortelli who is). I don't know what their personal psychological issues are per se, but they're significant. It's just beating your head against the wall. I still can't resist doing it sometimes (though I'm trying), but at least I'm aware that I'm doing it now. Best to ignore them (trying to follow my own advice).
I know you're right, it's absolutely unhelpful and useless and total misunderstanding of the point of the thread. It's funny how some people can be so narrow-minded huh? This is how people get their kicks - sit behind a computer screen and abuse others. Sad state the world is in. All the trolls taking up the thread I need to go back and find your previous post
I used to think it was a genuine misunderstanding, and so I tried to explain and clarify. Some called that backpedaling. Others grossly mischaracterized prior statements. So, now, I'm fairly confident that it's intentional on their part. I suppose it could still be gross incompetence, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on that.
I've seen it with ndj1979, QuietBloom, graceisjinxed (not as heavily with her -- but her last post is a good example). However, there are also some great people out there where I've had really interesting exchanges -- Cortelli, Milk Flax, etc. Keep the good; discard the bad.
Well there seems to be a lot of resistance to accepting other people's choices huh? Then they get upset when you retaliate to their rudeness. It's a lot of taking things out of context, twisting words and refusing to keep judgements to themselves. 90% of people are judgemental though, it's a real shame. I see it everywhere. I ask people something about a supplement for a diet experiment I'm doing and I get purposely vague so that I don't get judged on the diet but the responses I get are, "Why are you experimenting? Don't be stupid just eat a balanced diet". It's funny how people just can't help themselves!! hahaha. I mean I absolutely did expect it from here and even from Lyle's site but they are sooooo nice on that site
wait, you posted a thread saying you are not losing and ask for advice and you then say all the advice "will not work for you" but the people giving you advice are not accepting of your choices....eh????? You are the one that made the choice to go on this "diet" that is obviously not working for you ...
I am definitely calling troll on this one...0
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