** Breaking News** Do you believe in MIRACLES?

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  • wheird
    wheird Posts: 7,963 Member
    No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.

    What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!

    I meant it with love, so that the stupid may understand themselves a bit better.

    You're welcome. :flowerforyou:
  • MBrothers22
    MBrothers22 Posts: 323 Member

    Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?

    Of course not... That's just silly.

    And for those starving kids in Africa, God has a plan for them. There are people there doing there best to help them survive in a country that HUMANS brutally destroyed.

    If that's his plan for them, your god is a scumbag.

    #Freewill

    If we didn't have freewill, everyone would be like robots and there would never be any pain in the world, or sickness, or starving... but we have it, and the world get's messed up because of it. I can't imagine when God made the world he was like "these people over here are the ones that are going to starve to death". It's because of past decisions that humans (not God) make. If God were to solve all the problems in the world, we would no longer have freewill or choice in our lives. It's like any child, if you shelter them from all the bad, they will never learn and make the right decisions themselves.

    But he will find a person's car keys? Those are some messed up priorities.

    You really think (that if there is a God in your opinion) he was like "yo, this guys needs to find his keys, I need to devote all my power to helping him... 'aint nobody got time for those starving children.."

    Some problems are harder to solve without effecting our free will.. Again, I'm sure he could go in and fix it in a heartbeat, but if he did, what kind of impact would that have in the world? What choices would he be making for people? For example, you wouldn't have the choice to believe/not believe, because you would have proof of his existence.

    I am sure it would not be catastrophic to the myth of freewill to throw down some rain and perhaps make some crops grow in eastern Africa.

    I say myth of freewill because do you really have freewill when any choice other than the "correct" one results in eternal torment?

    Exactly. Freewill isn't free if there's consequences for choosing wrong. More like an ultimatum
  • JoelleAnn78
    JoelleAnn78 Posts: 1,492 Member
    Love how all the christians don't comment on the starving kids in africa. Praise the lord...

    I believe.

    And I struggle with all the injustice in the world. Especially things that involve little kids... Africa, child porn, abuse, disfunctional families... all of it.

    I don't understand a lot of things, but I do know that I have experienced things in my life that were more than mere chance and therefore I CHOOSE to believe in something greater than myself.

    I do not believe, however, that the fact that there are starving children in Africa proves that there is no god. Nor do I believe that my personal experiences prove that there IS one.

    Those children are OUR responsibility too. And blaming god for their pain is can often be one way we abdicate our own culpability.

    this. All of this is part of why I :heart: you, Mirey.

    :heart: Agreed
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  • SuperC_85
    SuperC_85 Posts: 393
    Oh jeez
    Facepalm
  • firstsip
    firstsip Posts: 8,399 Member
    *sigh*

    Why do these always turn into this kind of crap? Why is it necessary to tell the OP what your persoal beliefs are? What is so dificult in just saying, "good for you!" and moving on?

    He believes God was involved. So what? Does it threaten anyone's atheism to read those words?

    Honestly, probably because this stripped the agency of the young woman who did a good deed. How could it possibly threaten someone's atheism? People probably pointed it out (as seen in this thread, with both Christians and Atheists) that it was clearly the young woman who helped because it seemed strange to attribute the good deed to someone else, be it the Christian God, Zeus or Vishnu. Sure, the OP gave her $20 and said thank you, but she seems to be the afterthought in this story in favor of something else.

    Brb, going back to .gifs.

    Not only is she not an afterthought, but she has reached out to me several times since yesterday in regards to furthering her career. She is in IT and I am helping her look for a position that will advance her career.

    I don't believe in coincidences. There is a reason my God, who is 1 of a 1,000 I guess, answered my prayers. See even finding keys as small as it seems is a blessing to me.

    I am not sure why it's important to question my faith. The woman who found the keys MAY be an atheist but WHAT does that have to do with me praying and being blessed by her actions?

    This reminds me of this:

    An elderly lady was well-known for her faith and for her boldness in talking about it. She would stand on her front porch and shout “PRAISE THE LORD!”

    Next door to her lived an atheist who would get so angry at her proclamations he would shout, “There ain’t no Lord!!”

    Hard times set in on the elderly lady, and she prayed for GOD to send her some assistance. She stood on her porch and shouted “PRAISE THE LORD. GOD I NEED FOOD!! I AM HAVING A HARD TIME. PLEASE LORD, SEND ME SOME GROCERIES!!”

    The next morning the lady went out on her porch and noted a large bag of groceries and shouted, “PRAISE THE LORD.”

    The neighbor jumped from behind a bush and said, “Aha! I told you there was no Lord. I bought those groceries, God didn’t.”

    The lady started jumping up and down and clapping her hands and said, “PRAISE THE LORD. He not only sent me groceries, but He got an Atheist to pay for them. Praise the Lord!”

    God works through EVERYONE!

    That is funny. I think it's simple. God gives us free will. Some believe and some don't.

    I am STILL thankful to have my keys!

    Maybe I should thank OBAMA and see how this turns out! Lol

    its fascinating that you can see that thanking Obama would be ridiculous, but not that thanking God is. Even if God exists, given that you also believe in free will, he had about as much to do with that woman picking up your keys as Obama did.

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  • TheSlorax
    TheSlorax Posts: 2,401 Member
    What I find hilarious is that the OP would have maybe gotten 10 replies or so if he hadn't thrown in that "thank jesus!" at the end
  • tlcarolinagirl
    tlcarolinagirl Posts: 1,700 Member
    No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.

    What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!

    I meant it with love, so that the stupid may understand themselves a bit better.

    You're welcome. :flowerforyou:

    Apparently I'm stupid, bc I just don't get it.
  • leodru
    leodru Posts: 321 Member
    *sigh*

    Why do these always turn into this kind of crap? Why is it necessary to tell the OP what your persoal beliefs are? What is so dificult in just saying, "good for you!" and moving on?

    He believes God was involved. So what? Does it threaten anyone's atheism to read those words?

    It negates the good deed of the individual who found his keys because the "goodness" is attributed to a higher power rather than being seen as an example of the benefits of helping each other out.

    This is incredibly well said!
  • sjohnny
    sjohnny Posts: 56,142 Member
    AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO CARES ABOUT MISSDEEDEE78'S KEYS!!?!???!?!??!?!?!??!!

    Maybe God has a key quota and she missed out.
  • kaz321123
    kaz321123 Posts: 24 Member
    In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early massacres:

    "So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. "

    More mass murder from 'God'. Why do people worship something like this?

    In Isaiah chapter 13...

    Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

    "Little children will be dashed to death". Um, that's not very kind. The children should have to pay the price because their parents are captured?

    I don't care if this makes 'christians' uncomfortable. I don't like reading about these horrendous acts. If I don't subscribe to this vengeful vicious god, I deserve hell? Nice lesson.
  • JoelleAnn78
    JoelleAnn78 Posts: 1,492 Member
    Well, beyond the fact that your attribution of the "miracle" to god takes responsibility away from the actual human being who did something awesome, how did CVS know your email address from just your key ring??

    I think when you sign up for their rewards card you provide all that info.

    They just scan in the card number and **poof** there you are.
  • MireyGal76
    MireyGal76 Posts: 7,334 Member
    Love how all the christians don't comment on the starving kids in africa. Praise the lord...

    I believe.

    And I struggle with all the injustice in the world. Especially things that involve little kids... Africa, child porn, abuse, disfunctional families... all of it.

    I don't understand a lot of things, but I do know that I have experienced things in my life that were more than mere chance and therefore I CHOOSE to believe in something greater than myself.

    I do not believe, however, that the fact that there are starving children in Africa proves that there is no god. Nor do I believe that my personal experiences prove that there IS one.

    Those children are OUR responsibility too. And blaming god for their pain is can often be one way we abdicate our own culpability.

    this. All of this is part of why I :heart: you, Mirey.

    Same here.....I don't think anyone has all the answers.
    Luv ya Mirey!!

    Thank you all :heart:
  • wheird
    wheird Posts: 7,963 Member
    No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.

    What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!

    I meant it with love, so that the stupid may understand themselves a bit better.

    You're welcome. :flowerforyou:

    Apparently I'm stupid, bc I just don't get it.

    Then you learned something today, which was exactly my point!!

    Yay for you!
  • claudie08
    claudie08 Posts: 159 Member
    There ARE good people in the world and I'm happy you had a happy ending.

    Some time ago, my sister lost her wallet in a Home Depot. We reported it and tried to search for it, but unfortunately we could not find it. On our way home, we got a call. Someone found it in the store, and not only that, they returned it to her. They took the time to drive to her house and hand-delivered it to her and nothing was missing.

    The gentlemen who found her wallet did not have to make that call and drive out of their way just to return it personally, but we are extremely grateful they made that decision.

    No matter what anyone says or thinks, we believe these men were a Godsend...unlike the person(s) who stole my work laptop a few weeks ago. I made the mistake of leaving it in a cab one night, but if anyone opened the case, they would have found some personal documents of mine. If that person was a descent human being, they would have turned it in to either the cab company or to the police, but they did not and yes, this was my mistake (one that I am still paying for), but that does not excuse the actions of this person or persons. And yes, I made the appropriate calls and filed a police report.

    No matter what happens in life, I try to always believe in the goodness of man. I also believe in Karma.
  • sjohnny
    sjohnny Posts: 56,142 Member
    In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early massacres:

    "So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. "

    More mass murder from 'God'. Why do people worship something like this?

    In Isaiah chapter 13...

    Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

    "Little children will be dashed to death". Um, that's not very kind. The children should have to pay the price because their parents are captured?

    I don't care if this makes 'christians' uncomfortable. I don't like reading about these horrendous acts. If I don't subscribe to this vengeful vicious god, I deserve hell? Nice lesson.

    Why you bringing up old sh1t? He found OP's keys. Doesn't that make up for it?
  • tlcarolinagirl
    tlcarolinagirl Posts: 1,700 Member
    No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.

    What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!

    I meant it with love, so that the stupid may understand themselves a bit better.

    You're welcome. :flowerforyou:

    Apparently I'm stupid, bc I just don't get it.

    Then you learned something today, which was exactly my point!!

    Yay for you!

    Actually, what I learned today is that you're a jerk!
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early massacres:

    "So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. "

    More mass murder from 'God'. Why do people worship something like this?

    In Isaiah chapter 13...

    Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

    "Little children will be dashed to death". Um, that's not very kind. The children should have to pay the price because their parents are captured?

    I don't care if this makes 'christians' uncomfortable. I don't like reading about these horrendous acts. If I don't subscribe to this vengeful vicious god, I deserve hell? Nice lesson.

    Why you bringing up old sh1t? He found OP's keys. Doesn't that make up for it?

    this made me snort at my desk
  • My0WNinspiration
    My0WNinspiration Posts: 1,146 Member
    AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO CARES ABOUT MISSDEEDEE78'S KEYS!!?!???!?!??!?!?!??!!

    Maybe God has a key quota and she missed out.

    Lol
  • wheird
    wheird Posts: 7,963 Member
    No offense, but many of you in here are kinda stupid.

    What? No offense, but you call many of us stupid. Totally offended!

    I meant it with love, so that the stupid may understand themselves a bit better.

    You're welcome. :flowerforyou:

    Apparently I'm stupid, bc I just don't get it.

    Then you learned something today, which was exactly my point!!

    Yay for you!

    Actually, what I learned today is that you're a jerk!

    :laugh:

    I am laughing so dang hard at this!

    :heart:
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