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New Diet Pills (Belviq vs Qsymia)

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  • Posts: 5,789 Member

    It has nothing to do with disagreeing. That of course is more than exceptable. It has to do with the fact that when your opinion belittles someone elses thought process, you are out of line. Once again the OP didnt ask what their opinion was on taking pills they simply asked what specific ones worked for them. Never did she ask for opinions on if they persoanlly would take them . People can bash pills all they want but take a look at our healthcare system. We would be lost and in a terrible state without some of those. Those that stand on a saop box and say " i would never take those " or " those will never help you " and do so with their nose in the air should be ashamed of themselves. People come here for help, enouragement, and answers to their questions. If we cannot provide that to them without critisism than we are not being good friends. Thats all im saying.

    A) It's an open forum, you can't choose what kind of feedback you're going to get.

    B) What if these individual you should say should be ashamed of themselves for not advocating the "magic pill" are in turn helping the individual and answering their question by telling them diet pills are unnecessary?

    Edit: Can we quit throwing this "bully" term around. So and so disagreed with me in a tone I don't like (or white knight doesn't like).... you bully!
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    Hi! I just started Phentermine after 4+ years of struggling to lose the same weight..not up and down..just not going anywhere. I documented all my daily calories and my daily exercise for all these years. I took 2 years of this information to my Endo (I'm 3yrs diagnosed Hypo) and he told me that there is no reason that I shouldn't have lost the 50+lbs i need to lose. He believed me, understood my struggle to lose and put me on Phentermine. This prescription will not to lose the weight FOR me, it is to help me HELP MYSELF with my, already, proper eating and exercise regimine. THANK YOU DOC!!

    I have many friends who have told me over and over that they would have given up this struggle a long time ago if they had the same problem (they can all lose weight with normal eating/exercise regimines). They believe me, undersand my struggle to lose.

    This decision has been OVER 4 years in the making and I don't take it lightly and I won't let anyone tell me that I must not be working hard enough or i'm lying about the food I eat (and the kind of food, the time of day, the amount of protien, fat, carbs, caffene, turmeric, ginsing..whatever..) or the time i put in exercising (and how hard and how long and the type of workout..whatever).

    I'm sorry if some have had painful experiences with diet pills (or other meds) And if you think you are going to SAVE this poor soul from something, you are mistaken. I'm helping myself and I am finally getting the assistance from my board certified Endo. I'm sooooo excited that the hard work i have put in already will now start to show and I'm very happy for those of you with similar stories. Thank you for braving the APP's (anti-pill persons) and sharing your experience and hope with me! Luck and love to all.
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    Got an idea: How about the APP (anti-pill persons) start your own topic about how horrible diet medication is and we PROMISE we won't go on it to "bully" you.



    How bout that? :)
  • Posts: 345 Member
    Got an idea: How about the APP (anti-pill persons) start your own topic about how horrible diet medication is and we PROMISE we won't go on it to "bully" you.



    How bout that? :)

    LOL, if you notice, most of the people on this thread are only here to show how anti diet pills they are. The title of this thread is asking for opinions about different medications. Most of the people replying are here to make sure you know how evil diet pills are. It's just posturing. The people that actually want opinions on Medication A vs. Medication B, are long gone, and just using other threads and ignoring this one.

    I'll send you a link to a private group, too.
  • Posts: 347 Member
    Are most of the "pro" pill posts here from fake accounts trying to promote their products? I'm skeptical of people who have below 10 posts. I only just started posting on MFP today but been using the application for more than six months. The forums here are a lot better than reddit which is what I was previously using for online support.
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  • Posts: 32 Member
    Is there another thread somewhere on here that I could get info and support on Belviq ? I am not looking for peoples opinion on diet pills, I am looking for information and support. Thanks.

    ~Ronnie~
  • Posts: 37 Member
    I just started on the diethylpropion on April 25th. I am not weighing myself until a month has gone by. (i am also DHEA and Vitamin D3 per recommendation by my Doc). I see these diet pills as having two uses: one, to jump start someone who may feel defeated or hopeless because they have yo-yo dieted in the past or have never tried to lose and are afraid. the other would be people like me. I work out, eat clean and about 1200 a day. I haven't lost weight DESPITE massive changes to my eating over the years. I went to a nutritionist and she had NO helpful suggestions. In fact, after desperately saying to my doctor 'i don't know what other changes i can make to my diet!', she said 'it isn't your diet'. I imagine i am some anomaly, but cutting calories not ONLY didn't help me shed weight- i mean like NONE- but as i shifted down from 1500-1400-1300 calories, i was starting to GAIN. Beyond hiring an $600 a month trainer and working out like Madonna (and THAT is healthy???), these pills are the only idea i have left.
  • Posts: 37 Member
    Is there another thread somewhere on here that I could get info and support on Belviq ? I am not looking for peoples opinion on diet pills, I am looking for information and support. Thanks.

    ~Ronnie~

    and i'm with you. i found this thread by googling Belviq to try to find opinions and experiences by its users. I don't really find it helpful to hear people say 'doesn't sound like a good idea.'
  • Posts: 146 Member
    BTW, I have over 100 posts dating back to October of 2010, can I speak without anyone thinking I am just promoting a product? If not then don't read.

    What continues to get ignored in this thread is that medical science has continued to research and improve. Plus, posters here who are *also* taking medication are *here* for a reason. To are also here to log their food intake and adopt a more healthy lifestyle. Belviq by the way is not a fast weight loss product. It is a long term help in losing and maintaining weight. Just like people stop MFP and gain weight, people will stop using Belviq and gain weight. Other people will continue to do one or the other for the rest of their lives. The reception here is Belviq users get the hell out of here, you are not like us.

    The reception to someone starting MFP doesn't include dire warnings of if you stop you will gain back all that weight. Or remember this is something you will have to do for the rest of your life. If you plan on living another 50 years that means you will have to log everything you eat for the rest of your life. That could mean over 50,000 meals! No dire warnings, just hugs and welcomes.

    And post counts to check the truthfulness of posters? Why is it hard to believe that someone is making a huge lifestyle change, paying upwards of $250 per month for Belviq and is looking for additional support and finds this place? We don't think people with a couple posts here who claim how great MFP is are lying or get suspicious.

    I'm planning on stopping Belviq when I reach 165 pounds and rely strictly on MFP or whatever app is best at the time. I keep hearing how I'm going to gain back all the weight if I just use MFP. That may be the case. But I like my chances better than without MFP. Thankfully I have used MFP successfully in the past and have confidence in it. But for the people who are looking for support from this community and all they receive is criticism, I hope when they leave they find a secondary plan that supports them and will be there if the decide to stop taking Belviq. I know it will probably not be here.
  • Posts: 146 Member
    Seriously, thank you all for the motivation, I do appreciate it.
  • Posts: 146 Member
    Are most of the "pro" pill posts here from fake accounts trying to promote their products? I'm skeptical of people who have below 10 posts. I only just started posting on MFP today but been using the application for more than six months. The forums here are a lot better than reddit which is what I was previously using for online support.

    Possibly,

    would you also agree with this?

    Are most of the "anti" pill posts here from fake accounts trying to promote their products? I'm skeptical of people who have below 10 posts or just started posting today. I only just started posting on MFP in October of 2010 but have been using the application for more than four years off and on. The forums here were a lot better before I started listening to my Doctor.
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  • Posts: 128 Member
    Honestly I think the only people that need diet pills are the REALLY fat I'm talking 300lb+. In that case it can be a good way to suppress their appetite and smooth them into healthier eating patterns at least that's how it was for me. I took Phentermine right at the start of my diet for two weeks. It allowed me to get through a one hour workout and suppress my food cravings. However once I felt I had started to form good habits I discontinued it immediatly. When I stopped I did gain a couple of lb's and my workouts became harder but I quickly got back up to speed and started losing again. That ladies and gentlemen is how diet pills should be used. Not taken by people who think it's a shortcut to genuine weight loss. Because it isn't. All you pill poppers will gain all that weight back. And you will be looking for more pills to throw money at.


    I started at 330+ pounds. I am down 137. No diet pills or surgery.
  • Posts: 9,380 Member

    And post counts to check the truthfulness of posters? Why is it hard to believe that someone is making a huge lifestyle change, paying upwards of $250 per month for Belviq and is looking for additional support and finds this place? We don't think people with a couple posts here who claim how great MFP is are lying or get suspicious.

    Not a comment on Belviq specifically - but all products. On all forums not just MFP.

    I am suspicious of low count, low interaction posters who are promoting products - usually they have a vested interest in doing so (like spammers, sellers of said product)

    No one has a vested interest in saying how great the free MFP app is, so therefore there is not same level of suspicion.
  • Posts: 22 Member

    You know what's really funny about Doctors, they're only required to take maybe 2 nutrition classes to become a doctor in the US. So, it's no surprise that idiot doctors perscribe this crap. You realize they are probably getting big payouts from the companies that invent these miracle pills.

    I'll give you a miracle rx for weightloss. Get off your lazy *kitten* and start eating better. Try doing the opposite of what you've been doing to get fat instead of doing the same exact thing and popping some pill that's going to supposidly make it easier for you. Does it really surprise you that when you do the same thing you've always done the results are the same?

    Yay more bullying!
  • Posts: 22 Member
    No, people know the difference between bulling and a simple difference of opinion. The rudeness and downright meanness expressed on this site baffles me. I cannot understand why people so against diet pills read then post comment after comment about how terrible they are, how lazy that person is, don't listen to your dumb *kitten* doctor because he's paid to give you that medication and etc. A difference of opinion is I lost weight by down A B & C and have maintained for X amount of time and I don't think diet pills are safe. Or have you tried this or that before resorting to diet pills. Or my friend had a bad reaction to that pill. Flat-out rudeness doesn't help anyone and it makes those that post such comments look like douchbags.
  • Posts: 345 Member
    If you want information, please message me, I am happy to share, just not on this thread.
  • Posts: 2,492 Member
    Damn Ohio, and their laws against prescription weight loss pills. Gotta drive to Kentucky for those. :grumble:

    Wow, Ohio actually has something right. :drinker:
  • Posts: 9,420 Member

    Not a comment on Belviq specifically - but all products. On all forums not just MFP.

    I am suspicious of low count, low interaction posters who are promoting products - usually they have a vested interest in doing so (like spammers, sellers of said product)

    No one has a vested interest in saying how great the free MFP app is, so therefore there is not same level of suspicion.

    Especially when they have an insular, highly inter-related friend list.
  • Posts: 9,420 Member
    If you want information, please message me, I am happy to share, just not on this thread.

    Because why would you share information on a thread that could help other people? Or is the info against the terms of service?
  • Posts: 37 Member
    everyone IS entitled to an opinion but if YOU asked (on a travel site) 'who here has been to Italy, tell me your experiences' and 20 people said 'it doesn't sound very fun' and 'a friend of a friend of my cousin told me it was just meh' and one person said 'i have been there, let me tell you what to do and where to stay', which poster was helpful and which posters were not? there is a great deal of difference in sharing an experience and sharing an opinion. again a practical example- if you were scuba diving for the first time, would you ask help from the experienced person or the opinionated one?
  • Posts: 9,420 Member
    What if you were interested in parasailing and 20 people informed you that it was dangerous enough that the major cruise ships didn't offer it as an excursion? Would that still be information you'd discount?
  • Posts: 9,380 Member
    Or what if you joined a travel forum and asked if now is a good time to tour the Ukraine?

    Would any posters saying it's not a good idea all be bullies?
  • Posts: 345 Member

    Because why would you share information on a thread that could help other people? Or is the info against the terms of service?

    Var, because many people who participate on this thread are not interested in hearing anything positive about prescription diet medication.
  • Posts: 1,153 Member
    I wonder if the site owners can sue whoever hires these drive-by spammers? A hungry young lawyer might even take the case pro bono if precedent doesn't already exist.

    After all, their spamming not only annoys regular MFP users, it also probably taints MFP in search engines. Enter the wrong keywords, and someone might end up with the impression that this excellent, free calorie counting site is littered with pill pushing spammers instead of mostly filled with helpful people committed to safe, sustainable weight loss.
  • Posts: 1,657 Member
    Is there another thread somewhere on here that I could get info and support on Belviq ? I am not looking for peoples opinion on diet pills, I am looking for information and support. Thanks.

    ~Ronnie~

    I am sure the manufacturer of this product has a website. I would bet you could get information there if that's all you are looking for. This is a calorie counting, weight loss, food log website, much different than information on prescription diet pills. Another great source of information would be your doctor.
  • Posts: 1,657 Member
    No, people know the difference between bulling and a simple difference of opinion. The rudeness and downright meanness expressed on this site baffles me. I cannot understand why people so against diet pills read then post comment after comment about how terrible they are, how lazy that person is, don't listen to your dumb *kitten* doctor because he's paid to give you that medication and etc. A difference of opinion is I lost weight by down A B & C and have maintained for X amount of time and I don't think diet pills are safe. Or have you tried this or that before resorting to diet pills. Or my friend had a bad reaction to that pill. Flat-out rudeness doesn't help anyone and it makes those that post such comments look like douchbags.

    Clearly you have never actually been bullied in your life. This isn't bullying, please stop playing the victimization card. When topics like this come up, people with get passionate about it on both sides. Telling someone, like me, who is fat, to get off their lazy *kitten* and get moving and eat right is not bullying, harsh truth, I wouldn't use that method, but it ain't bullying and I get sick of people throwing that out there. Please just stop. You wanna take a pill, take it, but when you post about it here expect some objection because for most people it is taking the lazy way out and for most people you will gain it back because you haven't learned how to balance food and exercise in a healthy way.
  • Posts: 9,420 Member

    Var, because many people who participate on this thread are not interested in hearing anything positive about prescription diet medication.

    But you aren't trying to convince me. You would be helping the people who are looking at this thread because they are searching for support.
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