Your food is no cleaner than mine

^^^^THIS! I agree that anyone eating even remotely different get bashed here and quite frankly don't like it. I'd be curious as to how many doing the bashing are actually being honest in their open diaries? Did they really eat that ice cream or did they just record they ate it? My bet is on not eating it but recording they did just so they can argue! I think I'll remove my ticker as well. Thanks for the tip.

Wow.

You believe people are logging false entries just to argue. . . interesting. Best of luck with your goals.

^this

I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.

Is that honestly how you translated this? Interesting rationalization.

You see, we actually spend our time between three of our homes, one main, two vacation, only at our main residence 8 months of the year.

This reminds me of someone else who used to be on MFP. Interesting.

Of course it does because that is your way of being nosey, trying to get information that is none of your business. I've been on MFP since November 2013 shortly after discovering it through Runtastic.

I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.

Oh good. Now, we have haters . . .
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Oh they've been around for a while. One of my personal favorites was like my second week on here. This chick claimed she just had to make 9PM runs for a giant Frosty, because if not her lifts and running would totally suffer the next day. I was reported for pointing out that I wouldn't do the same because it seemed like a pretty dumba** idea to me, and I lift just fine without drinking giant glasses of pure sugar.

I don't see that girl around much these days. I suspect we will see her again though, one day when she realizes you can never outrun or outlift your fork, and those 9PM Frosty runs come back to bite her in the rear end.
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That would be awesome, emirite???!!!! :explode:

I guess my Wendy's Frostys are going kill ma gainz too, huh? :indifferent:
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I don't know. Since you're one of the ones going all bro-tastic, you tell me.
[/quote]I thought you weren't naming any names.

^^^^THIS! I agree that anyone eating even remotely different get bashed here and quite frankly don't like it. I'd be curious as to how many doing the bashing are actually being honest in their open diaries? Did they really eat that ice cream or did they just record they ate it? My bet is on not eating it but recording they did just so they can argue! I think I'll remove my ticker as well. Thanks for the tip.

Wow.

You believe people are logging false entries just to argue. . . interesting. Best of luck with your goals.

^this

I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.

Is that honestly how you translated this? Interesting rationalization.

You see, we actually spend our time between three of our homes, one main, two vacation, only at our main residence 8 months of the year.

This reminds me of someone else who used to be on MFP. Interesting.

Of course it does because that is your way of being nosey, trying to get information that is none of your business. I've been on MFP since November 2013 shortly after discovering it through Runtastic.

Huh? :huh: What is my "way of being nosey" and trying to get information that is none of my business?

1) Questioning your conclusion that people are logging fake ice cream entries (that fall within their calorie limits, BTW) for the sole purpose of an argument on the internet? 2) Questioning your conclusion that people questioning your "too low" calorie intake was because they were jealous haters and they felt bad about their food choices? 3) Or that you reminded me of someone else who had a tendency to make humblebrag posts about her relative wealth? 4) Some other assumption you're making that I will also probably laugh at?

(I hope it's 4).)

^^^^THIS! I agree that anyone eating even remotely different get bashed here and quite frankly don't like it. I'd be curious as to how many doing the bashing are actually being honest in their open diaries? Did they really eat that ice cream or did they just record they ate it? My bet is on not eating it but recording they did just so they can argue! I think I'll remove my ticker as well. Thanks for the tip.

Wow.

You believe people are logging false entries just to argue. . . interesting. Best of luck with your goals.

^this

I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.

Is that honestly how you translated this? Interesting rationalization.

You see, we actually spend our time between three of our homes, one main, two vacation, only at our main residence 8 months of the year.

This reminds me of someone else who used to be on MFP. Interesting.

Of course it does because that is your way of being nosey, trying to get information that is none of your business. I've been on MFP since November 2013 shortly after discovering it through Runtastic.

Huh? :huh: What is my "way of being nosey" and trying to get information that is none of my business?

1) Questioning your conclusion that people are logging fake ice cream entries (that fall within their calorie limits, BTW) for the sole purpose of an argument on the internet? 2) Questioning your conclusion that people questioning your "too low" calorie intake was because they were jealous haters and they felt bad about their food choices? 3) Or that you reminded me of someone else who had a tendency to make humblebrag posts about her relative wealth? 4) Some other assumption you're making that I will also probably laugh at?

(I hope it's 4).)

Well, you did a bit of misquoting because (2) isn't mine. Funny how you did that to make a point. My diary has never been open so no one can question anything in that respect.

^^^^THIS! I agree that anyone eating even remotely different get bashed here and quite frankly don't like it. I'd be curious as to how many doing the bashing are actually being honest in their open diaries? Did they really eat that ice cream or did they just record they ate it? My bet is on not eating it but recording they did just so they can argue! I think I'll remove my ticker as well. Thanks for the tip.

Wow.

You believe people are logging false entries just to argue. . . interesting. Best of luck with your goals.

^this

I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.

Is that honestly how you translated this? Interesting rationalization.

You see, we actually spend our time between three of our homes, one main, two vacation, only at our main residence 8 months of the year.

This reminds me of someone else who used to be on MFP. Interesting.

Of course it does because that is your way of being nosey, trying to get information that is none of your business. I've been on MFP since November 2013 shortly after discovering it through Runtastic.

Huh? :huh: What is my "way of being nosey" and trying to get information that is none of my business?

1) Questioning your conclusion that people are logging fake ice cream entries (that fall within their calorie limits, BTW) for the sole purpose of an argument on the internet? 2) Questioning your conclusion that people questioning your "too low" calorie intake was because they were jealous haters and they felt bad about their food choices? 3) Or that you reminded me of someone else who had a tendency to make humblebrag posts about her relative wealth? 4) Some other assumption you're making that I will also probably laugh at?

(I hope it's 4).)

Well, you did a bit of misquoting because (2) isn't mine. Funny how you did that to make a point. My diary has never been open so no one can question anything in that respect.

Nah, honest mistake on number (2) because I didn't scroll back to confirm the source of each of the quotes in my original post.

The rest of my post stands though (but I still didn't confirm. I'm sure someone will straighten me out if I misquoted in any way). Still don't see how my post was read as my being nosy. No worries though. Good thing, too, because locked diary, closed profile, and an inspirational quote as an avi.

Best of luck with all your health and fitness goals. :flowerforyou:

I hate making a mistake with #2. You think it's just a little gas and then... MISTAKE!

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself. Well I could but I chose not to.

^^^^THIS! I agree that anyone eating even remotely different get bashed here and quite frankly don't like it. I'd be curious as to how many doing the bashing are actually being honest in their open diaries? Did they really eat that ice cream or did they just record they ate it? My bet is on not eating it but recording they did just so they can argue! I think I'll remove my ticker as well. Thanks for the tip.

Wow.

You believe people are logging false entries just to argue. . . interesting. Best of luck with your goals.

^this

I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.

Is that honestly how you translated this? Interesting rationalization.

You see, we actually spend our time between three of our homes, one main, two vacation, only at our main residence 8 months of the year.

This reminds me of someone else who used to be on MFP. Interesting.

Of course it does because that is your way of being nosey, trying to get information that is none of your business. I've been on MFP since November 2013 shortly after discovering it through Runtastic.

Huh? :huh: What is my "way of being nosey" and trying to get information that is none of my business?

1) Questioning your conclusion that people are logging fake ice cream entries (that fall within their calorie limits, BTW) for the sole purpose of an argument on the internet? 2) Questioning your conclusion that people questioning your "too low" calorie intake was because they were jealous haters and they felt bad about their food choices? 3) Or that you reminded me of someone else who had a tendency to make humblebrag posts about her relative wealth? 4) Some other assumption you're making that I will also probably laugh at?

(I hope it's 4).)

Well, you did a bit of misquoting because (2) isn't mine. Funny how you did that to make a point. My diary has never been open so no one can question anything in that respect.

Nah, honest mistake on number (2) because I didn't scroll back to confirm the source of each of the quotes in my original post.

The rest of my post stands though (but I still didn't confirm. I'm sure someone will straighten me out if I misquoted in any way). Still don't see how my post was read as my being nosy. No worries though. Good thing, too, because locked diary, closed profile, and an inspirational quote as an avi.

Best of luck with all your health and fitness goals. :flowerforyou:

I'm flattered :blushing: Thank-you for the well wishes.

The only people here who boast & brag about their food are the "dirty eaters." I don't see clean eaters posting threads about "30 day spinach challenges" or "30 day apple challenges."

Or veggie eating challenges. Oh wait, there's one going on right now!

I don't get any comments about anything in my cart usually. I remember once a guy commented on the cupcakes i had in my basket. He said.. I don't eat sweets, not my thing. I just smiled and said. tat's probably a good thing. I don't comment on others basket either. Although I was in Sams club a few weeks ago and was astounded by one gentlemen's cart (2 actually) piled high with hostess and chip and soda.. Most likely he own a small store.. but the sheer quantity he had just caught my attention. I didn't say anything to him.

No one has ever commented on anything in my cart but a checker. Mostly positive--but extremely rarely some weird non-positive comment that just seems strange from a checker. For example, one time in Myrtle Beach years ago the checker decided to try and shame us for buying beer on a Sunday. The idea of commenting on what's in someone else's cart just seems bizarre to me.

When anyone tells me about their clean eating or Paleo diet or Primal etc etc... I just wonder what fad they're going to try next.

WTF that thing is REAL i thought they made it up for that south-park episode. Seriously laughing here now.

The choice to keep their diary closed remains solely with the member. There are a multitude of reasons why a member would keep their diary closed and in some cases it would be best if they did for the sake of their own progress. If they are asking for help with their food choices or asking why they aren't losing, perhaps opening the diary briefly would help others in their replies BUT in many cases it just opens that person up to unnecessary criticism. I personally don't need the negativity others would bring over any entry in my diary and I really don't feel it is anyone's business what I eat since I'm not asking for help with my food choices and I have lost the weight I wanted to plus some. I also do not feel it is proper for other to shame or pressure those who choose to keep their food diaries private. You do you, I will do me!

I closed my food diary down to Friends Only. Frankly they're the only people I really care for opinions from on these matters. I had it fully open and got repeatedly blasted because my calorie intake was "too low" lol. Translated that just means I'm actually losing weight and made the haters feel bad for their poor choices.

That's a fascinating translation, right there.
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Fascinating is one way to put it. Self-rationalization is another...

I don't get any comments about anything in my cart usually. I remember once a guy commented on the cupcakes i had in my basket. He said.. I don't eat sweets, not my thing. I just smiled and said. tat's probably a good thing. I don't comment on others basket either. Although I was in Sams club a few weeks ago and was astounded by one gentlemen's cart (2 actually) piled high with hostess and chip and soda.. Most likely he own a small store.. but the sheer quantity he had just caught my attention. I didn't say anything to him.

No one has ever commented on anything in my cart but a checker. Mostly positive--but extremely rarely some weird non-positive comment that just seems strange from a checker. For example, one time in Myrtle Beach years ago the checker decided to try and shame us for buying beer on a Sunday. The idea of commenting on what's in someone else's cart just seems bizarre to me.

I've had people in the store ask me where I found something or if I was buying a specific product and someone was wondering about it, the person will ask me questions. But no one has ever randomly criticized anything in my cart.

Was reading through the first page... I have to laugh at the idea that "processed food" is bad... Um, I'm pretty sure any cut up and/or cooked food has been processed...

Oh it's semantics? Then find a better phrase that "processed".

Was reading through the first page... I have to laugh at the idea that "processed food" is bad... Um, I'm pretty sure any cut up and/or cooked food has been processed...

Oh it's semantics? Then find a better phrase that "processed".

Nope.

Stop using extreme examples.

Don't worry. We get it. The problem is the label itself, not the food eaten.

I don't have a magic ingredient number. I just buy my foods whole and raw and turn them into something yummy myself. I avoid chemical additives on the few things i buy that i do not make myself. And I avoid added sugar (which really has nothing to do with clean eating, that's just my preference) The nitty gritty details are just like any other diet, Subject to the whims of the person who eats that diet.

Is it better for you personally *shrug* idk.. I don't know you or your needs. I know it's better for me and i can tell by the lack of headaches, the increase in energy, the amount of sleep I get and how I feel overall.

I don't get all the hate.. I don't agree with paleo at all and I don't really get it. It doesn't seem like a healthy diet to me, but I don't go ripping it apart or demanding explanation from people who follow it. It's like vegetarians.. or the plethora of branches they created because no one could agree on exactly what constitutes a vegetarian. Like I am a vegetarian but I eat fish, so they created a name for that. Makes no sense to me. But to each their own.

Don't worry. We get it. The problem is the label itself, not the food eaten.

Actually, I'd moved on from that issue--I think I expressed my views sufficiently--to my more substantive questions about the concept, vs the (incredibly self-congratulatory) label you use for what I call cooking. Okay, sorry, haven't entirely dropped it, I guess, but I just find it so mystifying that you don't see how off-putting the label is. But moving on...

I don't have a magic ingredient number. I just buy my foods whole and raw and turn them into something yummy myself. I avoid chemical additives on the few things i buy that i do not make myself. And I avoid added sugar (which really has nothing to do with clean eating, that's just my preference) The nitty gritty details are just like any other diet, Subject to the whims of the person who eats that diet.

But see, I also kind of think that I generally buy my foods whole and raw and turn them into something tasty myself. That's what cooking is, right? But "clean eating" is something beyond that--it's a claim that it's bad to ever eat processed food. To actually have a discussion about the merits of that, it's necessary to define what you are talking about and why those foods are distinguished such that they must be unhealthy (unclean, even!) even in moderation.

That's why I raised a few specific examples. All processed, but all either consistent with cooking with whole ingredients, using a small amount of an additive that makes the results of cooking tastier (like using packaged herbs and spices, salt and pepper), or something that is quite time consuming to make myself and probably no better tasting (although I haven't tried) or healthier. So if you are going to say that the key issue is processing tell me what I'm missing about my examples.

i can tell by the lack of headaches, the increase in energy, the amount of sleep I get and how I feel overall.

If you are telling me that frozen tuna and yogurt from a store give you these problems, I'd have no issue with you avoiding them, obviously. But when it's part of "clean eating," there's a broader assertion--that most people would be healthier without such items, that they are bad for us as a society, etc. So again my question.

I don't get all the hate.. I don't agree with paleo at all and I don't really get it. It doesn't seem like a healthy diet to me, but I don't go ripping it apart or demanding explanation from people who follow it. It's like vegetarians.. or the plethora of branches they created because no one could agree on exactly what constitutes a vegetarian. Like I am a vegetarian but I eat fish, so they created a name for that. Makes no sense to me. But to each their own.

I don't hate clean eaters. I think they probably eat like a lot of other people here but for whatever reason have an attachment to a label I find obnoxious. But if people are making a claim about all processed food being not just not to their taste--which again seems a weird claim to me, since there's a huge continuum and variety of processing, and it's kind of like saying that only locally grown food is good and all else bad or unnatural--but also unclean (i.e., bad and disgusting for everyone), then I think it's fair game to ask them (politely and as an interested inquiry, not to tell THEM they should eat any other way) on what basis they make that claim?

I think it kind of bugs me because it's such a broad and rather extreme assertion to say that ALL processed foods should be avoided always, that they are inherently worse for you than other foods, just for that reason, but when I actually hear about what sel-defined "clean eaters" eat, I don't see how what they are eating is so different, and plenty of people, not just clean eaters, like to cook a chicken or whatever. I don't call that clean eating, I call it cooking.