Calories in vs. calories out?

3dogsrunning · May 2014

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In RE to getting a competition physique, etc...I wouldn't really know but I would assume at that point, other factors would come into play...but c'mon...most people here are just trying to get to a healthy weight and BF%, not necessarily a competition body. Most people here aren't competitive athletes are attempting to become competitive athletes...when you really start delving into nutrient timing, and quality of nutrients, I think it makes a huge difference for performance, etc...but the average fat *kitten* like I was who just wants to lose some weight...CI/CO works just fine and is pretty damned simple.

Ironically, the OP mentioned hormonal imbalance as part of the reason CICO may not work for weight loss. I don't disagree with that, however when mentioning fitness competition, there is NO MENTION that more than 85% aren't doing it naturally. Most are juiced or are taking drugs to bulk/cut.

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That is very true, but of course there are all-natural competitors, actors and models.

Of course, but unlike their juiced counterparts, they HAVE to rely on calories in/out much more due to the disadvantage. So why eat "cleaner" before a competition? For 2 main reasons.................higher volume of food can be eaten and because that's what all competitors seem to do.
Competitive bodybuilders scarf up food like it's no tomorrow in the offseason. If a calorie dense food with good nutritional value was used to prep, I'm betting the results would be similar. So why don't they? Because usually calorie dense foods mean SMALLER PORTIONS and less eating.
I'm sure you've heard of many competitors "peaking" after the mandatory "after competition" binge? They look better after eating a bunch of pizza, hamburgers, fast food, etc. than when they were on stage. Why is that? The food wasn't "cleaner".

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There was an awful lot of chocolate and peanut butter being consumed backstage pre-comp by the guys.
A figure friend competitor went out and ate McDonalds before getting on stage because she was looking "flat".(she won)

CA_Underdog · May 2014

The problem though with starvation, and I've seen this personally, and how it can cause weight gain, is when someone starves to lose weight, then as soon as they get to their target weight, they start eating more again, it seems the weight goes back on twice as fast it came off. I don't know the science behind it, and probably no once can prove one way or the other

The yo-yo effect has been studied before. If I recall correctly, the scientific explanation for why you regain more quickly and regain more than your original weight is because you lose lean muscle mass when dieting. I.e., the first time you're at 300lbs you may be 200lbs of muscle and 100lbs of fat. The second time you rebound to 300lbs you may be 180lbs of muscle and 120lbs of fat. Your BMR in the first case is higher. This is one reason resistance training is touted for weight loss to preserve muscle mass.

MireyGal76 · May 2014

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I would like to know that if there is such a simple way calories in< calories out where is this bestseller book at? Why is he/she not the richest person in the world.

Because people don't want to hear "eat less, move more" (thus all the myths and magical fixes mentioned on this site).

Eat less, move more is a really simple concept. But really hard for many to embrace and implement. It means pushing yourself physically (not a good thing in today's "serve me" mentality). It means self control in terms of food (again, not really embraced in today's "I want it all" "I must be happy" society).

It is simple.

But not easy.

And people want easy. Pop this pill? easy.
Where do I sign up for that pill?

jmangini · May 2014

there are a lot of knowledgable people on. If you want, would you post on another post of mine entitled "getting muscular without adding calories"

jmangini · May 2014

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In RE to getting a competition physique, etc...I wouldn't really know but I would assume at that point, other factors would come into play...but c'mon...most people here are just trying to get to a healthy weight and BF%, not necessarily a competition body. Most people here aren't competitive athletes are attempting to become competitive athletes...when you really start delving into nutrient timing, and quality of nutrients, I think it makes a huge difference for performance, etc...but the average fat *kitten* like I was who just wants to lose some weight...CI/CO works just fine and is pretty damned simple.

Ironically, the OP mentioned hormonal imbalance as part of the reason CICO may not work for weight loss. I don't disagree with that, however when mentioning fitness competition, there is NO MENTION that more than 85% aren't doing it naturally. Most are juiced or are taking drugs to bulk/cut.

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That is very true, but of course there are all-natural competitors, actors and models.

Of course, but unlike their juiced counterparts, they HAVE to rely on calories in/out much more due to the disadvantage. So why eat "cleaner" before a competition? For 2 main reasons.................higher volume of food can be eaten and because that's what all competitors seem to do.
Competitive bodybuilders scarf up food like it's no tomorrow in the offseason. If a calorie dense food with good nutritional value was used to prep, I'm betting the results would be similar. So why don't they? Because usually calorie dense foods mean SMALLER PORTIONS and less eating.
I'm sure you've heard of many competitors "peaking" after the mandatory "after competition" binge? They look better after eating a bunch of pizza, hamburgers, fast food, etc. than when they were on stage. Why is that? The food wasn't "cleaner".

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

yes actually. Good point. I've experienced that myself. After really cutting calories for a while then eating a pizza and waking up looking cut as H

Yagisama · May 2014

there are a lot of knowledgable people on. If you want, would you post on another post of mine entitled "getting muscular without adding calories"

I guess that'll work if your calorie intake is at an adequate level to begin with so you wouldn't have to add calories.

ASKyle · May 2014

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I would like to know that if there is such a simple way calories in< calories out where is this bestseller book at? Why is he/she not the richest person in the world.

Because people don't want to hear "eat less, move more" (thus all the myths and magical fixes mentioned on this site).

Eat less, move more is a really simple concept. But really hard for many to embrace and implement. It means pushing yourself physically (not a good thing in today's "serve me" mentality). It means self control in terms of food (again, not really embraced in today's "I want it all" "I must be happy" society).

It is simple.

But not easy.

And people want easy. Pop this pill? easy.
Where do I sign up for that pill?

I will sell you some magic belly fat melting lemon water for $29.99

mustgetmuscles1 · May 2014

There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

ninerbuff · May 2014

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In RE to getting a competition physique, etc...I wouldn't really know but I would assume at that point, other factors would come into play...but c'mon...most people here are just trying to get to a healthy weight and BF%, not necessarily a competition body. Most people here aren't competitive athletes are attempting to become competitive athletes...when you really start delving into nutrient timing, and quality of nutrients, I think it makes a huge difference for performance, etc...but the average fat *kitten* like I was who just wants to lose some weight...CI/CO works just fine and is pretty damned simple.

Ironically, the OP mentioned hormonal imbalance as part of the reason CICO may not work for weight loss. I don't disagree with that, however when mentioning fitness competition, there is NO MENTION that more than 85% aren't doing it naturally. Most are juiced or are taking drugs to bulk/cut.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

That is very true, but of course there are all-natural competitors, actors and models.

Of course, but unlike their juiced counterparts, they HAVE to rely on calories in/out much more due to the disadvantage. So why eat "cleaner" before a competition? For 2 main reasons.................higher volume of food can be eaten and because that's what all competitors seem to do.
Competitive bodybuilders scarf up food like it's no tomorrow in the offseason. If a calorie dense food with good nutritional value was used to prep, I'm betting the results would be similar. So why don't they? Because usually calorie dense foods mean SMALLER PORTIONS and less eating.
I'm sure you've heard of many competitors "peaking" after the mandatory "after competition" binge? They look better after eating a bunch of pizza, hamburgers, fast food, etc. than when they were on stage. Why is that? The food wasn't "cleaner".

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

There was an awful lot of chocolate and peanut butter being consumed backstage pre-comp by the guys.
A figure friend competitor went out and ate McDonalds before getting on stage because she was looking "flat".(she won)

Not uncommon just before competitors step on stage. Again why not brown rice, chicken and vegetables or "clean" food?

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sweetyedie · May 2014

well said about the c in c out theory

bcattoes · May 2014

There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

Or maybe they desparately want to believe that it doesn't have to be that hard.

Yagisama · May 2014

People also want to believe that they have access to knowledge that others don't, whether that is "one weird trick that will help with weight loss" or the power of lemons.

jofjltncb6 · May 2014

Are we just beating a dead horse now?

Now?!?

MFP has been beating dead horses for years...

...but given the number of new members every day, while it's a dead horse to many, it's not a dead horse to all...

...and so the cycle continues.

Wait.

:huh:

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fitnessbugg · May 2014

Love reading people's knowledge on this stuff.

MireyGal76 · May 2014

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There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

Or maybe they desparately want to believe that it doesn't have to be that hard.

SIMPLE =/= EASY

a concept may be simple, but it doesn't mean it isn't hard as hell to achieve.

jmangini · May 2014

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There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

Or maybe they desparately want to believe that it doesn't have to be that hard.

SIMPLE =/= EASY

a concept may be simple, but it doesn't mean it isn't hard as hell to achieve.
[/quoteyou should check out my post on my workout for today. I'd love your feedback

mustgetmuscles1 · May 2014

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There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

Or maybe they desparately want to believe that it doesn't have to be that hard.

SIMPLE =/= EASY

a concept may be simple, but it doesn't mean it isn't hard as hell to achieve.

So true. So glad there are people on here that were willing to educate me when I was making things way more difficult than they needed to be.

jmangini · May 2014

show previous quotes

There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

Or maybe they desparately want to believe that it doesn't have to be that hard.

you should check out my post on my workout for today. I'd love your feedback

SIMPLE =/= EASY

a concept may be simple, but it doesn't mean it isn't hard as hell to achieve.

So true. So glad there are people on here that were willing to educate me when I was making things was more difficult than they needed to be.

jofjltncb6 · May 2014

I'm busy having the same argument in another thread, but I just gotta repeat what I see as the main issue here.

This is a calorie counting website. That's it's purpose. Don't believe in CICO? Cool. Plenty of people don't. But you shouldn't be here. If you are here and start a thread saying it's not about calories, stop being so shocked when people disagree with you.

Log on to some website about chess. Say you don't like chess and think it's dumb. What kind of responses do you expect to get?

Basically stop coming into a community, ****ting on what they believe in, and calling them rude for not agreeing with you.

(You and I may have had some disagreements in the forums before, but it certainly isn't re this post.) 1000000xthis^

TheIrish1981 · May 2014

I have been seeing a nutritionist and I asked her a very similar question in aspect of what do eat.

She told me it is all a matter of getting the most bang for my calorie buck. For instance, I could have 1 Big Mac or I could have a Grilled Chicken Breast, Broccoli, 5 oz scoop of mashed potatoes, and a yogurt. Which one will be more satisfying in the long run?

I am a firm believer that it is all about calories in/calories out because I personally know someone who lost 37 pounds eating garbage but limiting their caloric intake. It blew my mind away. This is the person who actually motivated me to lose weight, but I have chosen a slightly healthier approach than Big Macs and Large Fries

jmangini · May 2014

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There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

Or maybe they desparately want to believe that it doesn't have to be that hard.

SIMPLE =/= EASY

a concept may be simple, but it doesn't mean it isn't hard as hell to achieve.

So true. So glad there are people on here that were willing to educate me when I was making things was more difficult than they needed to be.

you should check out my post on my workout for today. I'd love your feedback

mustgetmuscles1 · May 2014

you should check out my post on my workout for today. I'd love your feedback

You look like you are doing just fine on that program. Not sure I can give you any feedback that would be helpful. I have seen people make great gains on old school high volume splits and I have seen them make great gains on minimalist strength building programs.

One might be more optimal than the other but eventually we all get to the long slow grind so its probably just better to do the program that you enjoy and keep trying to make progress at it.

bjkidfun · May 2014

Bumping to read later, good read

ashley11scott · May 2014

You cant eat junk instead of healhy b/c macros matter, probably be sick mroe offten cutting into workouts, skinny is one thing but skinny and tonned is another.

How often you eat is prefernece i think normaly women like 6 meals and men like 3 larger ones. You dont just eat one large meal before bed bc you need that engery for the food during the day not to sleep.

hit ur calories, hit ur burn, hit ur macos, workout cardio and lift heavy = success

MFP and calorie burn trackers are great tools to take the gusse work out of it.

jofjltncb6 · May 2014

*twitch*

Wandering_1 · May 2014

I just want to look & feel healthy. My weight is coming off eating healthy just like those who eat a Big Mac but for me eating a Big Mac doesn't make me feel better it just makes me feel full.

geebusuk · May 2014

You cant eat junk instead of healhy b/c macros matter, probably be sick mroe offten cutting into workouts, skinny is one thing but skinny and tonned is another.

So it's not 'junk' if you make the macros fit?
The McDonalds Burger and ice cream I had the other night wasn't 'Junk' because it fitted my macros, yes?

SnuggleSmacks · May 2014

So, I haven't read through the whole thread, but has the twinkie diet been mentioned already?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.

QuietBloom · May 2014

Derpy OP is derpy.

amwbox · May 2014

The reason people cut with low carb is for keto. Not overall weight loss. It allows for max protein and targeted fat burn.

Calories in vs. calories out?

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