8 Drinks! Are You Kidding Me???
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I bounce back and forth on how much I drink. Some weeks I drink nothing. Other weeks I will drink as many as 9 or 10 drinks. Most of the time, it's around 5.
The CDC does have some biases, but to the extent that alcohol consumption leads to increased disease risks, the information is useful. In the case of alcohol, there have been numerous medical studies that show women are more susceptible to certain diseases based on increased alcohol consumption. I can understand the reclassification.
I don't, however, have to like it. I just have to admit that under the CDC guidelines, I'm considered a moderate to heavy drinker. Maybe it's a good cue for me to cut back a bit more.0 -
Okay understandably its not the drunk or buzzed feeling, but yes the constant increase in activity that one's liver and organs go through when drinking is something to consider. I understand that the CDC is not labeling me, but trying to (or I naively hope) that they are trying to control alcohol related diseases.
Again, I cannot say why it bothers me. I do remember my party days and looking back at how much I threw back on a nightly basis is shocking. I am amazed I kept up with the basics of life while still pounding 6-10 drinks every evening. I could see a major difference between days I drank and days I didn't even though I didn't really get a hangover. I always considered these past few years (or at least this last year of MFP, and eating substantially better) to be a low to moderate drinker. So in that completely NON-MEDICAL context, I feel like I had a slap in the face. But maybe I'm to a point to change things up in my life and live a little cleaner in the nutrition sense. Why not alcohol?0 -
I'm not sure I even have 8 drinks in an entire year.0
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I bounce back and forth on how much I drink. Some weeks I drink nothing. Other weeks I will drink as many as 9 or 10 drinks. Most of the time, it's around 5.
The CDC does have some biases, but to the extent that alcohol consumption leads to increased disease risks, the information is useful. In the case of alcohol, there have been numerous medical studies that show women are more susceptible to certain diseases based on increased alcohol consumption. I can understand the reclassification.
I don't, however, have to like it. I just have to admit that under the CDC guidelines, I'm considered a moderate to heavy drinker. Maybe it's a good cue for me to cut back a bit more.
Okay! You totally said it better than I did
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TFW you can kill a six-pack in under 10 minutes (or at least used to).By medical definition, a binge drinker is a woman who consumes 4 or more drinks during one sitting or a male who consumes 5 or more drinks during one sitting. So that is why she was referring to you as a binge drinker.
To be honest, these days, four drinks seems to be the upper limit I can drink if I don't want to be hung over the next day. Must be getting old, can't party like I used to...
If 14/week and 4/day are the limits for dudes, that would make me a moderate drinker that occasionally way, way, way binge drinks :indifferent:I just have to admit that under the CDC guidelines, I'm considered a moderate to heavy drinker.0 -
I would be dead on my feet if I had a drink a day. I weigh a buck and change and never drink.Haha just women huh? What a crock. 8 drinks is nothin!
What a bunch of lightweights.
I'd trade being able to drink my guy friends under the table to be under 200 lbs! Dont get me wrong though, I actually havent drank in about six months aside from sangria here and there. Used to be a heavy heavy drinker. And by heavy I dont mean 8 a week, more like 16 a night! Quit cold turkey after I realized how many calories I was consuming.0 -
Wow. I'm a very heavy drinker then.
But it's ok, I have lots of excuses. I only drank on special occasions like Christmas and occasional outings 2 or 3 times a year until my 40's, and I only started drinking daily about two years ago because my shoulder hurt. So I have to catch up. And I mostly only drink red wine. I drink less than my husband and most if my friends. I don't get wasted on weekends and black out. It's just a COUPLE. And wait *hides red wine behind back* who are you to judge me? *starts getting aggressive*
Nothing to see here!0 -
Years ago, I had a doctor who insisted that I was an Alcoholic, because I was consume 4 or more beers in one setting. Now, I told her that these sittings would only happen once every two months or so (as I do not drink that much.). She still insisted that I needed help, that I was an alcoholic and a binge drinker.
I never saw her after that.
By medical definition, a binge drinker is a woman who consumes 4 or more drinks during one sitting or a male who consumes 5 or more drinks during one sitting. So that is why she was referring to you as a binge drinker.
However, for a male to be considered a heavy drinker, he would need to consume 15+ drinks a week (which you do not do).
I get what you're saying re: binge drinking but I think the point he was trying to make is that the doctor shouldn't have been so insistent on such a negative label since it happened so infrequently. Labels have varying amounts of impact on people, as seen in this thread. If it were me in that situation, the all or nothing approach would have bothered me as well, but for others, they may use it as a way of denial. (Note: the denial thing isn't directed at anyone, just a thought in general because I could see people doing that.)
As for the 8 drinks making a woman a "heavy drinker," that seems a bit low, especially if it's 15 for men. I get that women are typically smaller than men, but it seems like a rather large disparity without having any idea as to the reasoning, which I'm willing to admit. So, if someone has the reason for this, I'd love to know.0 -
Rule of thumb: don't believe any of the crap you see on fox or CNN. Unless its animated because they usually get it right. LOL0
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As someone who use to drink many more then 8 per week I listened to the story with great interest! The emphasis was on the fact that 8 drinks didn't make you an alcoholic or problem drinker but it was the cause of so many problems! People can label themselves how ever they chose but really just like the food we eat our bodies also know what we are drinking! Men in the study suffered much worse than woman!0
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Is 7 drinks a week considered being a heavy drinker...one glass of wine a day? I think not.. but all the sugar in alcohol keeps me far away from it except on occasion. To each his own.0
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Years ago, I had a doctor who insisted that I was an Alcoholic, because I was consume 4 or more beers in one setting. Now, I told her that these sittings would only happen once every two months or so (as I do not drink that much.). She still insisted that I needed help, that I was an alcoholic and a binge drinker.
I never saw her after that.
By medical definition, a binge drinker is a woman who consumes 4 or more drinks during one sitting or a male who consumes 5 or more drinks during one sitting. So that is why she was referring to you as a binge drinker.
However, for a male to be considered a heavy drinker, he would need to consume 15+ drinks a week (which you do not do).
I get what you're saying re: binge drinking but I think the point he was trying to make is that the doctor shouldn't have been so insistent on such a negative label since it happened so infrequently. Labels have varying amounts of impact on people, as seen in this thread. If it were me in that situation, the all or nothing approach would have bothered me as well, but for others, they may use it as a way of denial. (Note: the denial thing isn't directed at anyone, just a thought in general because I could see people doing that.)
As for the 8 drinks making a woman a "heavy drinker," that seems a bit low, especially if it's 15 for men. I get that women are typically smaller than men, but it seems like a rather large disparity without having any idea as to the reasoning, which I'm willing to admit. So, if someone has the reason for this, I'd love to know.
Women are more vulnerable to alcohol's side effects.0 -
First I heard it's reccommened to have a glass a night, now it's not???? Whatever, you just can't listen to the news and all of the crap. I myself rarely drink but I know from one drink a night is not a lot and like I said, It's been recommended for years now! Who knows anymore0
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And yet, that's what most doctors say is HEALTHY and GOOD FOR YOU. go figure.I rarely drink, but this is say 2 glasses of wine every other day is heavy... and having one glass a night(which is recommended) is almost being a heavy drinker. thats insane0 -
Time for what?If it bothers you that much, it might be a good idea to ask yourself why.
I second this.
It may be the fact that I don't drink but I believe someone who drinks 8 drinks a week is a moderate to heavy drinker. Who has time for that?
In the medical community, 8 drinks a week is without a doubt classified as a heavy drinker.
In the medical community 7 drinks is "optimal". How long does the 8th take? 72 hours?0 -
Have you looked at the sugar and carbs in, say, a chardonnay?Is 7 drinks a week considered being a heavy drinker...one glass of wine a day? I think not.. but all the sugar in alcohol keeps me far away from it except on occasion. To each his own.0 -
You'd be dead from a drink? Do you have no liver?
I would be dead on my feet if I had a drink a day. I weigh a buck and change and never drink.Haha just women huh? What a crock. 8 drinks is nothin!
What a bunch of lightweights.0 -
I'm intrigued by the replies. Obviously.
I consider myself a moderate drinker. I have wine with dinner most nights. I enjoy wine. I rarely over indulge. But the extremes on this thread (as they often do on a FOOD site.... about BOOZE) fascinate me.
Again, folks. The recommendations for a woman are HAVE A GLASS OF WINE a day. But suddenly, have TWO just once a week and you've gone over. Think of all the cultures we supposedly emulate "the french paradox" etc. Does this not seem odd?
In france they serve wine by the carafe at university cafeterias I've been too. FOR LUNCH. Now imagine saying to a woman: one wine a day. YES. two...cancer. "heavy drinker".
Seems odd.
Signed: sometimes has two. sometimes even has THREE.0 -
Well classify me. I am known to have a glass of wine every night sometimes two. Let's not even start on some of my weekend drinks. I hate that these "studies" always pinpoint women and try to make us feel bad.0
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Quick, someone tell the French they're all a bunch of lushes and they're going to shorten their lives!
Oh wait. Don't they live longer than us? And drink more than 8 measly 5 oz glasses a week, I'm sure.0 -
Quick, someone tell the French they're all a bunch of lushes and they're going to shorten their lives!
Oh wait. Don't they live longer than us? And drink more than 8 measly 5 oz glasses a week, I'm sure.
I agree that it would be odd to consider that heavy drinking. So, I suspected maybe they were meaning large sized drinks.
But, different people have different responses to alcohol. I can't drink every day. I start to feel nauseated, headaches, and tired.
But, when i have a drink i prefer to have a 9 ounce drink less often than to have a 5 ounce every day. Even though the guidelines are to have less at one time.0 -
Quick, someone tell the French they're all a bunch of lushes and they're going to shorten their lives!
Oh wait. Don't they live longer than us? And drink more than 8 measly 5 oz glasses a week, I'm sure.
I agree that it would be odd to consider that heavy drinking. So, I suspected maybe they were meaning large sized drinks.
But, different people have different responses to alcohol. I can't drink every day. I start to feel nauseated, headaches, and tired.
But, when i have a drink i prefer to have a 9 ounce drink less often than to have a 5 ounce every day. Even though the guidelines are to have less at one time.
I read the ad earlier today, and I might be remembering it wrong, but I thought they said 5 oz for a glass of wine, which seems absurdly small to me.0 -
Quick, someone tell the French they're all a bunch of lushes and they're going to shorten their lives!
Oh wait. Don't they live longer than us? And drink more than 8 measly 5 oz glasses a week, I'm sure.
I agree that it would be odd to consider that heavy drinking. So, I suspected maybe they were meaning large sized drinks.
But, different people have different responses to alcohol. I can't drink every day. I start to feel nauseated, headaches, and tired.
But, when i have a drink i prefer to have a 9 ounce drink less often than to have a 5 ounce every day. Even though the guidelines are to have less at one time.
I read the ad earlier today, and I might be remembering it wrong, but I thought they said 5 oz for a glass of wine, which seems absurdly small to me.
Yeah, usually that is considered healthy (for people that do not already have alcohol related health conditions due to previous actual heavy drinking).0 -
It is a figure of speech no? I have a liver but it doesn't handle alcohol very well at all. And not just a drink a drink everyday of the week.
You'd be dead from a drink? Do you have no liver?
I would be dead on my feet if I had a drink a day. I weigh a buck and change and never drink.Haha just women huh? What a crock. 8 drinks is nothin!
What a bunch of lightweights.0 -
I'm intrigued by the replies. Obviously.
I consider myself a moderate drinker. I have wine with dinner most nights. I enjoy wine. I rarely over indulge. But the extremes on this thread (as they often do on a FOOD site.... about BOOZE) fascinate me.
Again, folks. The recommendations for a woman are HAVE A GLASS OF WINE a day. But suddenly, have TWO just once a week and you've gone over. Think of all the cultures we supposedly emulate "the french paradox" etc. Does this not seem odd?
In france they serve wine by the carafe at university cafeterias I've been too. FOR LUNCH. Now imagine saying to a woman: one wine a day. YES. two...cancer. "heavy drinker".
Seems odd.
Signed: sometimes has two. sometimes even has THREE.
Yeah this is where I am, too, trying to think my way through this. I also get that you have to draw the line somewhere, so to speak, but one over the recommended one per day once per week seems a bit... much.
I admit that I don't drink one a day but I know a couple who do wine and cheese around 5 daily to separate work from home time. I would hardly classify the woman as a heavy drinker, even if she does occasionally have two glasses instead of one. For some reason, I'm much more all right with classifying 10 a week that way than 8, but I have no good reason as to why.0 -
Years ago, I had a doctor who insisted that I was an Alcoholic, because I was consume 4 or more beers in one setting. Now, I told her that these sittings would only happen once every two months or so (as I do not drink that much.). She still insisted that I needed help, that I was an alcoholic and a binge drinker.
I never saw her after that.
By medical definition, a binge drinker is a woman who consumes 4 or more drinks during one sitting or a male who consumes 5 or more drinks during one sitting. So that is why she was referring to you as a binge drinker.
However, for a male to be considered a heavy drinker, he would need to consume 15+ drinks a week (which you do not do).
I get what you're saying re: binge drinking but I think the point he was trying to make is that the doctor shouldn't have been so insistent on such a negative label since it happened so infrequently. Labels have varying amounts of impact on people, as seen in this thread. If it were me in that situation, the all or nothing approach would have bothered me as well, but for others, they may use it as a way of denial. (Note: the denial thing isn't directed at anyone, just a thought in general because I could see people doing that.)
As for the 8 drinks making a woman a "heavy drinker," that seems a bit low, especially if it's 15 for men. I get that women are typically smaller than men, but it seems like a rather large disparity without having any idea as to the reasoning, which I'm willing to admit. So, if someone has the reason for this, I'd love to know.
Women are more vulnerable to alcohol's side effects.
I guess I'm asking if anyone knows why off the top of the head. If not, Google is my friend.0 -
It's cultural. I'm from one Asian country and live in another. In both, 8 drinks a week would be heavy drinking. However, in the UK it's perfectly normal. People can have at least half that many drinks on a weeknight and not catch any flack. That said, the UK has a lot of problems with alcoholism... anyway, the point is that many you should go with the doctors. Sometimes really unhealthy things can seem totally normal within a cultural context. Like smoking, for example.0
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I'm not sure I even have 8 drinks in an entire year.
This was exactly my thought. At the beginning of this month I was on holiday & on 1 night I had a single measure of whisky & 2 nights later a single measure of archers (with lemonade), they were the first alcoholic drinks I'd had since my birthday in January.
When I think back to up to like 5 years ago it was a very different story, I'd be out 2 or 3 nights a week drinking 7 or 8 pints + 4 or 5 Jack Daniels & Coke as well as wine/cans of lager/whisky at home maybe 2 other nights.0 -
I'll just get a bigger glass.
:laugh: Amen to that!0 -
nobody knows...
Read this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/dietandfitness/10916556/Want-to-live-a-long-life-Eat-fermented-cabbage-and-drink-a-litre-of-olive-oil-a-week.html for a different view point.
I try and keep everything in moderation, enjoy good wine and get on with loving life.... Isnt it 'not the number of years in your life but the life in your years' that matters?0
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