Do you believe in strictly Calories In - Calories Out?

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  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
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    Didn't I see on wiki last week that Tim Howard spent time as the Secretary of Defense? It was on wiki so it must be true....

    wiki used as a source....we now have an official.

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  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    Didn't I see on wiki last week that Tim Howard spent time as the Secretary of Defense? It was on wiki so it must be true....

    wiki used as a source....we now have an official.

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    Wiki is one of her more credible references in this thread...

    ...and the two (?) links to actual studies she posted weren't relevant to the topic.

    Of course, all of them (like this one) were just links for each of us to discern our own understanding...so maybe they were relevant and I simply missed the relevance. *shrug*
  • gweatherall1104
    gweatherall1104 Posts: 7 Member
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    If you can somehow eat fewer calories than you burn in a day and still gain weight, you are a miracle of modern science and need to report to the nearest lab for study, because nobody else in the world can accomplish such a feat.
  • Arleigh7
    Arleigh7 Posts: 150 Member
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    Ummm...I think that's called "Heaven"
  • Barbellarella_
    Barbellarella_ Posts: 454 Member
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    I thought we establishment it was a troll.


    This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/

    Gina, please just stop. You're embarrassing yourself. In fact, at this point I'm embarrassed for you.


    LOLLOLLOL! Worry about yourself!

    Remember on Page 12 before the roll, I told you that your "LOLOLOLOL" responses are just as childish as when you called everyone "HATERS" over and over in the Keto thread. You must have forgotten my advice already. I'm withdrawing my "proud of you" statement now.
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
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    This thread went so long for ....
  • ketoambahh
    ketoambahh Posts: 67
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    Absolutely not. 2000 from breads and starches versus 2000 calories from fat/protein will affect your body QUITE differently. One will cause your blood sugar to skyrocket while the other gives you proper energy and nutrients your body naturally needs.

    "Everything in moderation" is great if you're trying to maintain weight. However, if you're trying to lose it it's better if the calories come from fats and protein and VERY MINIMALLY from carbs and sugars.

    Minimal fruits and veggies?

    It is not better for me for my carbs to be minimal - I like energy for my workouts - which help my body comp.

    Fruits are fine as long as they are on the lower side of the glycemic index. Veggies are great since they have the nutrients and high fiber that your body needs.

    Carbs give you immediate energy for workouts, while fats give you energy slowly but for longer periods of time. Your blood sugar reacts and uses these types of energies differently.

    ...and for people who say low carb/keto is dangerous, obviously doesn't know what it really is. It's not all meat and butter, and you eat eat WAY more on that than in a traditional diet. My calorie deficit is at least 500 a day if not more.
  • Kotuliak
    Kotuliak Posts: 259 Member
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    I thought we establishment it was a troll.
    This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/
    Gina, I read the article but I didn't understand any of it. Could you please post the link again?
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
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    Try one of my workouts on a low carb diet. LOL
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    Absolutely not. 2000 from breads and starches versus 2000 calories from fat/protein will affect your body QUITE differently. One will cause your blood sugar to skyrocket while the other gives you proper energy and nutrients your body naturally needs.

    "Everything in moderation" is great if you're trying to maintain weight. However, if you're trying to lose it it's better if the calories come from fats and protein and VERY MINIMALLY from carbs and sugars.

    Minimal fruits and veggies?

    It is not better for me for my carbs to be minimal - I like energy for my workouts - which help my body comp.

    Fruits are fine as long as they are on the lower side of the glycemic index. Veggies are great since they have the nutrients and high fiber that your body needs.

    Carbs give you immediate energy for workouts, while fats give you energy slowly but for longer periods of time. Your blood sugar reacts and uses these types of energies differently.

    ...and for people who say low carb/keto is dangerous, obviously doesn't know what it really is. It's not all meat and butter, and you eat eat WAY more on that than in a traditional diet. My calorie deficit is at least 500 a day if not more.

    I'm familiar with what it is and isn't...

    ...but I disagree that it is an optimal/recommendable diet for most of the population for various reasons that are beyond the scope of this thread.
    My calorie deficit is at least 500 a day if not more.

    You say this like it's a good thing.
  • eric_sg61
    eric_sg61 Posts: 2,925 Member
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    Absolutely not. 2000 from breads and starches versus 2000 calories from fat/protein will affect your body QUITE differently. One will cause your blood sugar to skyrocket while the other gives you proper energy and nutrients your body naturally needs.

    "Everything in moderation" is great if you're trying to maintain weight. However, if you're trying to lose it it's better if the calories come from fats and protein and VERY MINIMALLY from carbs and sugars.

    Minimal fruits and veggies?

    It is not better for me for my carbs to be minimal - I like energy for my workouts - which help my body comp.

    Fruits are fine as long as they are on the lower side of the glycemic index. Veggies are great since they have the nutrients and high fiber that your body needs.

    Carbs give you immediate energy for workouts, while fats give you energy slowly but for longer periods of time. Your blood sugar reacts and uses these types of energies differently.

    ...and for people who say low carb/keto is dangerous, obviously doesn't know what it really is. It's not all meat and butter, and you eat eat WAY more on that than in a traditional diet. My calorie deficit is at least 500 a day if not more.
    People are still worried about the Glycemic Index. The GI is measured with the carbohydrate source by itself while fasted. Therefore, a high GI carb when in a mixed meal with protein, fat and fiber is almost completely blunted out.
  • 59gi
    59gi Posts: 307 Member
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    Absolutely not. 2000 from breads and starches versus 2000 calories from fat/protein will affect your body QUITE differently. One will cause your blood sugar to skyrocket while the other gives you proper energy and nutrients your body naturally needs.

    "Everything in moderation" is great if you're trying to maintain weight. However, if you're trying to lose it it's better if the calories come from fats and protein and VERY MINIMALLY from carbs and sugars.



    Yes, quality matters!
  • 59gi
    59gi Posts: 307 Member
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    I thought we establishment it was a troll.
    This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/
    Gina, I read the article but I didn't understand any of it. Could you please post the link again?


    My pleasure This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_calorie_is_a_calorie
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
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    I thought we establishment it was a troll.
    This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/
    Gina, I read the article but I didn't understand any of it. Could you please post the link again?


    My pleasure This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_calorie_is_a_calorie

    She didn't get the sarcasm.
  • 59gi
    59gi Posts: 307 Member
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    I thought we establishment it was a troll.
    This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/
    Gina, I read the article but I didn't understand any of it. Could you please post the link again?


    My pleasure This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_calorie_is_a_calorie

    She didn't get the sarcasm.


    I got it and replied, LOLOLOLLLLLLL
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    *sigh*

    ...define "quality"...

    ...what do these links mean to you...

    ...what were your interpretations of the cited studies...

    ...if you ate "quality" (however defined) in a net caloric surplus, would you gain or lose weight...

    ...if in a net caloric deficit, would you gain or lose weight...

    ...if you ate "poor quality" (however defined) in a net caloric surplus, would you gain or lose weight...

    ...if in a net caloric deficit, would you gain or lose weight...

    ...please explain your answers...


    *collapses on floor from exhaustion*
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
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    Absolutely not. 2000 from breads and starches versus 2000 calories from fat/protein will affect your body QUITE differently. One will cause your blood sugar to skyrocket while the other gives you proper energy and nutrients your body naturally needs.

    "Everything in moderation" is great if you're trying to maintain weight. However, if you're trying to lose it it's better if the calories come from fats and protein and VERY MINIMALLY from carbs and sugars.



    Yes, quality matters!

    quality matters for health focus and body composiition. Not weight loss. Or even better weight gain.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    I thought we establishment it was a troll.
    This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/
    Gina, I read the article but I didn't understand any of it. Could you please post the link again?


    My pleasure This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_calorie_is_a_calorie
    Didn't quite catch that
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    I thought we establishment it was a troll.
    This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/
    Gina, I read the article but I didn't understand any of it. Could you please post the link again?


    My pleasure This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_calorie_is_a_calorie
    Didn't quite catch that

    Did you read it twice yet?
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    I thought we establishment it was a troll.
    This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/
    Gina, I read the article but I didn't understand any of it. Could you please post the link again?


    My pleasure This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_calorie_is_a_calorie
    Didn't quite catch that

    Did you read it twice yet?

    I think she needs to post it again. Just in case.

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