Pushy Spelling/Grammar People
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Rightly or wrongly, I am a sticker for spelling and grammar even though I rarely point it out.
I tend to ignore obvious typo errors (we all get caught out on that one from time to time) but I am not a fan of text speak. I agree with the above poster that language needs to evolve but a lot of people use that reasoning to mask laziness. A bugbear of mine is people inserting “lol” into sentences that clearly don’t need it.
Although to be fair, I post on other messageboards and the standard of spelling and grammar are far better on here than others.
sorry is it not "stickler" instead of sticker? or was that for humor's sake?0 -
if you use than instead of then, were instead we're and your instead of you're you deserve to be corrected no matter how well written the post is and no matter who you are
text speak is ok between people and is cool to cut down the amount of typing/swiping and everything you have written whilst not correctly spelled does appear to be correct word usage except for "their" when they meant "there" for which they should be corrected.
Language has to change and evolve over time and does need to keep up with the times and its usage, so writing things in text speak is acceptable from this view, but again this doesn't mean that you can use the wrong word just because of the way you speak, things like the above (than/then etc) aren't really acceptable within this evolution, saying UR/ur instead of your when wanting to say your correctly whilst infuriating to some is acceptable.
Hope that makes sense
TL;DR
- kinda wrong is wrong
- really wrong is ok0 -
1. I went back and read the whole thread; could you highlight the person who said they take pride in correcting written errors, please? I saw nobody using that phrase except you, to dismiss those who do it.
On an online forum, the words you choose are the clothes you wear, the way you style your hair, and the manner in which you speak. If you do not see the analogy, I guess that's too bad.
Chris gets up to give a presentation in a new, tailored suit, hair done well, obviously well-groomed, and speaks in a clear, confident voice while maintaining eye contact with the audience.I realize that when 'texting' people will use short cuts, make spelling errors due to closeness of keys, use text speak, etc., and that is well and fine and understood as trying to be quick about communication. When I read online posts with spelling mistakes, and/or grammar errors, I judge the writer's credibility. What is being said (written) is less credible to me with spelling errors. I find that I start correcting the grammar and spelling rather than caring to understand their viewpoint.
I think that is something you need to work on then.
I don't think discrediting people's point of view because of spelling errors is something to be proud of ( or of which to be proud, if you prefer
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Pat gets up to give a presentation in disheveled, dirty clothes, hair uncombed and obviously not well-groomed, and speaks in a quiet mumble, all the while staring down at the notes.
Is it your contention that you'd judge both presentations equally, or solely on content rather than including delivery in your evaluation?
Hardly the same context as an online forum.
However, to answer the question,I would try very hard to not let presentation get in the way of content. I am not saying I would be entirely successful - but I wouldn't automatically dismiss the content of the poorer presentor, whilst being proud of doing so.
That's the way that poster came across to me - taking pride in dismissing content when there were spelling errors, rather than trying to see past presentation.
I didn't say I couldn't see the analogy - I said I would try hard in each case ( the live presenter and the online post) to see past the presentation to the content - as opposed to taking pride in dismissing the content because of oresentation.
Having said that, online errors really don't bother me much anyway.
2. Do you not see "I think that is something you need to work on, then" as judgmental? From here, you're judging someone based on the fact that they judge people on their written word. . . .0 -
I got a new Boss a few years back. We hadn't met him yet. He called a staff meeting in a nearby Training Room. Staff showed up on time.
15 Minutes past the designated meeting time and the new Boss has not arrived. I got out of my seat and walked up to the front of the room.
I wrote on the white board "Word for the Day: Punctuality"
New Boss arrives a few minutes later. Looks at the Board. He then turned to us and introduced himself. Gave a short little presentation, then, as we were ready to leave, he points to the White Board and says, "I would have responded to that if it had been spelled correctly.
I went back to my office and looked up Punctuality on a Web Dictionary. I cut and pasted to an email that I sent to everyone that was in the room, including my new Boss.
Under the cut and pasted spelling and definition I wrote: "It's not important that I'm right. It's important that you know I'm right."
did anyone reply to your email?
Everyone responded verbally. My Boss was the only one that responded via email. As a matter of fact "It's not important that I'm right. It's important that you know I'm right." became his catch phrase whenever he had the opportunity to use it. I never gave him that opportunity.0 -
Does it tick you off when someone corrects your spelling and or structure in an online forum? Or, do you EVER see it as helpful? What do you think motivates a "grammar Nazi"?
I don't even get the urge when the entire post is barely English. But, occasionally, an otherwise intelligent and well-stated post makes me wonder if the writer would like to have the error pointed out. I know I would.
Godwin in one post! Wow.0 -
if you use than instead of then, were instead we're and your instead of you're you deserve to be corrected no matter how well written the post is and no matter who you are
text speak is ok between people and is cool to cut down the amount of typing/swiping and everything you have written whilst not correctly spelled does appear to be correct word usage except for "their" when they meant "there" for which they should be corrected.
Language has to change and evolve over time and does need to keep up with the times and its usage, so writing things in text speak is acceptable from this view, but again this doesn't mean that you can use the wrong word just because of the way you speak, things like the above (than/then etc) aren't really acceptable within this evolution, saying UR/ur instead of your when wanting to say your correctly whilst infuriating to some is acceptable.
Hope that makes sense
Couldn't have said it better myself!
Oh, that reminds me of a huge pet peeve: "c/would of" instead of "c/would have". Seeing that one more and more. The worst was in sophomore year of high school, when we were studying the imperfect tense in Spanish class; our teacher repeatedly rendered the English translation as "use to" (rather than "useD to"), again and again, until it was clear that she simply didn't know a "d" belonged there. Traumatic for a young grammar fanatic! ;-)0 -
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Does it tick you off when someone corrects your spelling and or structure in an online forum? Or, do you EVER see it as helpful? What do you think motivates a "grammar Nazi"?
I don't even get the urge when the entire post is barely English. But, occasionally, an otherwise intelligent and well-stated post makes me wonder if the writer would like to have the error pointed out. I know I would.
I've had my error pointed out when I never knew otherwise...case in point..."up and at 'em". I always thought it was up and Adam. Don't even know why.0 -
Somebody should really jump in and help the horse. Uncle Jack seems too far gone either way IMO.0 -
Shouldn't that be:
helping your Uncle Jack, off a horse
OR
helping your uncle, Jack, off a horse
I don't think "Uncle" is capitalized if there is a comma separating it from "Jack"
and I only comment because it's kind of ironic... unless of course I am wrong... in which case...
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Shouldn't that be:
helping your Uncle Jack, off a horse
OR
helping your uncle, Jack, off a horse
I don't think "Uncle" is capitalized if there is a comma separating it from "Jack"
and I only comment because it's kind of ironic.
Good catch I do beleive you are correct. When it's "Uncle Jack" that's his whole name and no comma in between. When it's help your uncle "Jack" being the uncle the comma is needed.
Still though, the horse is really the one I'm concerned for if Jack is having such strange ideas and/or unable to dismount a horse by himself.0 -
What do you think motivates a "grammar Nazi"?
It makes them feel gooder about themselves.0 -
What do you think motivates a "grammar Nazi"?
It makes them feel gooder about themselves.
OCD0 -
What do you think motivates a "grammar Nazi"?
It makes them feel gooder about themselves.
OCD
Sometimes people use grammar corrections during an argument as a red herring and/or to discredit the opponent as a criticism of their intelligence level.0 -
I don't correct stuff usually. I do, however, judge people based upon the way they write.
^^ QFT. If the message is important enough that you really want people to take it seriously, then you should probably spend a bit more time on it's presentation. It can make the difference between "Have you eaten, grandpa?" and "Have you eaten grandpa?"
Okay that's IT! I want to go on the record as saying that I just decided that the comma is the single most important punctuation/keyboard key/phone button in history. BRB gonna go make a slogan T-shirt with nothing but a giant comma on it.0 -
What do you think motivates a "grammar Nazi"?
It makes them feel gooder about themselves.
OCD
I apologize if I made your OCD twitch. I can't control my sarcasm sometimes. :grumble:0 -
Fundamentally this is an issue of evolution.
If I am a grammar nazi and spelling OCD-anado, then I will be repelled by people who aren't and attracted to those who are. It is not a matter of who is smarter, but who is more detail-oriented and methodical about communicating. Eventually you have two populations: those who read and write, and those who produce and watch FOX news.0 -
I'm not insanely picky about grammar or spelling, but I would like to be able to understand what you're trying to get across with ease. Avoiding punctuation really makes that difficult. Also when people "tYpE LyKe diS".
Sometimes I cringe a little when people fail to know the difference between to, two, and too or their, they're, and there but I am not going to judge anyone on it. People aren't perfect!0 -
Just annoys me when people have to post a rant about how it is "lose" not "loose". You normally see a few of those posts a day. Okay, we get it.
I actually agree with this. If someone insists on writing like an ignoramus at this point in life, these types of threads are clearly not going to stop them. However, this particular error gives off the impression that the person is careless and sloppy in general. That may not always be true, but words are all we have to go on in these forums when forming opinions about the intelligence of others.0 -
if you use than instead of then, were instead we're and your instead of you're you deserve to be corrected no matter how well written the post is and no matter who you are
text speak is ok between people and is cool to cut down the amount of typing/swiping and everything you have written whilst not correctly spelled does appear to be correct word usage except for "their" when they meant "there" for which they should be corrected.
Language has to change and evolve over time and does need to keep up with the times and its usage, so writing things in text speak is acceptable from this view, but again this doesn't mean that you can use the wrong word just because of the way you speak, things like the above (than/then etc) aren't really acceptable within this evolution, saying UR/ur instead of your when wanting to say your correctly whilst infuriating to some is acceptable.
Hope that makes sense
Couldn't have said it better myself!
Oh, that reminds me of a huge pet peeve: "c/would of" instead of "c/would have". Seeing that one more and more. The worst was in sophomore year of high school, when we were studying the imperfect tense in Spanish class; our teacher repeatedly rendered the English translation as "use to" (rather than "useD to"), again and again, until it was clear that she simply didn't know a "d" belonged there. Traumatic for a young grammar fanatic! ;-)
Well I got lost on this one.0
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