1200 Calorie a day diet. Can it be healthy?

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I know it proves nothing. That's why I don't glance at diaries or profile pics or tickers. It's all fiction here. But I'm accused of not being able to read, c'mon. :laugh:

They do studies on weight loss at levels way below BMR all the time. No one studies 'is it safe to eat below your BMR' for the same reason no one studies 'is it safe to eat standing up'. It's self-evident that it is because there is no reason to believe it isn't.

links?

There are a lot. Search for "VLCD studies". Here's just a few.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/10/30/ajcn.113.070052
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16988070
http://www.ysonut.fr/pdf/4DAP-2009-VLCD-type-2-diabetes.pdf

Who said anything about long term?

Who said anything about long term?

pretty sure its implied. obviously one day of eating nothing wont hurt much

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Fascinating; In the two hours after I started this thread around 50 comments and most of them nay Sayers saying that what I am doing is wrong, is not healthy, but as soon as I mention my Cardiologist and a Registered Dietitian all the negative comments stopped. Where are all the experts now?

Stop depending on Google and the internet to determine your diet and go to a real professional, Truly fascinting that people believe anything they read on the internet

So you posted this to get comments that you could then reply to by saying - well my doctor says it's ok so there.

Ok then :huh:

Yup. Consider yourself schooled.

Oh I do, wait... :noway:


What I go from his admission was that he's on a 1200/day diet as he's at major risk of a heart attack - so the risks of a VLCD are less than the risks of staying fat.

That doesn't mean it's healthy - just that it's the lesser of two evils.

But I'm sure he'll say I'm just a google expert.

I know. If I were at imminent risk of death, I'd eat 1200 - no complaints.

(Actually there would be complaints. But I'd be at death's door, so you just put your listening face on.)

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Who said anything about long term?

pretty sure its implied. obviously one day of eating nothing wont hurt much

This is always how the discussion goes. "1200 must be dangerous because you can't do it long term (though you can through weight loss, which is the topic) and it must be dangerous because VLCDs are sometimes found risky and 1200 sounds 'very low' to me so it must be a VLCD. And it's ok for you because you're sick or you because you're small but it's not ok for anyone else."

"And, by the way, you can't even read and you're pompous. So nice try. Oh, and go away." :indifferent:

never did i say 1200 was VLCD
never did i say you cant do it for long term, its just stupid to do so for MOST people. ive said it before, if you 5'0 and 100 lbs, its fine.
VLCD's are risky, but im not going to argue that anymore because clearly we are on two different pages. just dont recommend it to someone or say its okay for someone as large as myself (TDEE >2800)

why is bolded in quotes? are you implying i said that, because i didnt.

Fascinating; In the two hours after I started this thread around 50 comments and most of them nay Sayers saying that what I am doing is wrong, is not healthy, but as soon as I mention my Cardiologist and a Registered Dietitian all the negative comments stopped. Where are all the experts now?

Stop depending on Google and the internet to determine your diet and go to a real professional, Truly fascinting that people believe anything they read on the internet

You posted a topic saying "1200 Calorie a day diet. Can it be healthy?” You asked is it healthy? You got answers saying it is probably not healthy and now you want to respond and insult everyone who tried to help you? I can't speak for everyone else but I responded because I thought you were looking for advice and genuinely wanted to help you.

1200 calorie diets are not usually healthy for men. That is coming from professionals. If you ask your cardiologist and dietician if it is healthy for an average man to only eat 1200 calories I am confident they would tell you that it is not for most men. You asked the question. You got correct answers. Many posts did also suggest consulting with a doctor.

So why did you post the question if you already had what you believe are all the answers? All you proved is that you enjoy taking advantage of the trusting and caring nature of other people.

No, he was just proving that the "internet experts" could not diagnose him via the interwebzzz.

Take that, bam!


derp.

You know what? I'm tired of this thread. I'm going to report it as deliberately inflammatory.

yup!

For someone who is really tiny and female, doesn't move much all day, maybe. Or for someone chronically obese crashing weight off.

Otherwise, exercise more and eat moderately. And don't tell me you don't have time. Sheesh.

That sounds like the most boring thing ever. I'd quit after a day and 1/2.

Late to this, but as I started out a year ago eating 1200 calories (19 years old, female, 175lbs at the time) and I was hungry always and lost about 12lbs before being stuck for a solid 4 months and giving up. I also was more likely to cheat. Gained all the weight back.

I started losing at 1800 calories and I'm currently netting around 1600 and I'm much less miserable and still losing.

Why eat 1200 when you can eat 1600 and get better results? Answer seemed simple to me.

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Who said anything about long term?

pretty sure its implied. obviously one day of eating nothing wont hurt much

This is always how the discussion goes. "1200 must be dangerous because you can't do it long term (though you can through weight loss, which is the topic) and it must be dangerous because VLCDs are sometimes found risky and 1200 sounds 'very low' to me so it must be a VLCD. And it's ok for you because you're sick or you because you're small but it's not ok for anyone else."

"And, by the way, you can't even read and you're pompous. So nice try. Oh, and go away." :indifferent:

never did i say 1200 was VLCD
never did i say you cant do it for long term, its just stupid to do so for MOST people. ive said it before, if you 5'0 and 100 lbs, its fine.
VLCD's are risky, but im not going to argue that anymore because clearly we are on two different pages. just dont recommend it to someone or say its okay for someone as large as myself (TDEE >2800)

why is bolded in quotes? are you implying i said that, because i didnt.

It's bolded because you bolded it, I think. I don't know how to bold here. :happy:

I was referring to replies from several people there, in this and in other threads, and using a little hyperbole. It's not personal.

yea i bolded it just to highlight it. fair enough tho

future reference; to bold
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This is just an example of a menu. The point is if most of my food intake consists of veggies and fruit while limiting my carbs, sugar and fat while eating lean proteins. How could this be unhealthy as many on this forum claim? no mood swings or lack of energy. Feeling better than I have in along time.

I have walked with a cane for the past two years. Now I don't

I am a retired Chef and do almost all of my own cooking. Trained in nutrition too, being the Head Chef at a hospital for some time.

i see nothing wrong with having some carbs, sugar and fat in a person's diet as long as the individual doesn't have issues with these.

the question you should ask yourself is can i eat like this forever? what happens when you start eating to maintain? many concern themselves with how to loose the weight yet never talk about what happens when you reach your goal especially if you've been eating 1200 cals a day for however long it takes you to loose it. slow and steady keeps the weight OFF - that's the ultimate goal!

do you have a study that shows eating under BMR isnt dangerous? didnt think so

I could point you at a dozen or so weight loss studies where the subjects are fed below their BMR. They all passed the ethics committees and none mention "eating under BMR" as they weren't published on MFP or written by its forum contributors. If you put "hypocaloric" into Pubmed I bet half or more of them will be under BMR.

Sedentary and 2 lbs/week loss rate means you're under BMR, it's built into the MFP software.

I could also point you at national guidelines from other countries for weight loss diets that don't have the American 1200 calories in them at all as a lower limit or in any other guide.

As the OP's ticker is looking to lose 140,000 calories worth of weight I suspect he can sustain a high deficit for a good while.

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Who said anything about long term?

pretty sure its implied. obviously one day of eating nothing wont hurt much

This is always how the discussion goes. "1200 must be dangerous because you can't do it long term (though you can through weight loss, which is the topic) and it must be dangerous because VLCDs are sometimes found risky and 1200 sounds 'very low' to me so it must be a VLCD. And it's ok for you because you're sick or you because you're small but it's not ok for anyone else."

"And, by the way, you can't even read and you're pompous. So nice try. Oh, and go away." :indifferent:

never did i say 1200 was VLCD
never did i say you cant do it for long term, its just stupid to do so for MOST people. ive said it before, if you 5'0 and 100 lbs, its fine.
VLCD's are risky, but im not going to argue that anymore because clearly we are on two different pages. just dont recommend it to someone or say its okay for someone as large as myself (TDEE >2800)

why is bolded in quotes? are you implying i said that, because i didnt.

It's bolded because you bolded it, I think. I don't know how to bold here. :happy:

I was referring to replies from several people there, in this and in other threads, and using a little hyperbole. It's not personal.

yea i bolded it just to highlight it. fair enough tho

future reference; to bold
what you want bolded
with small case b's
similar to the quote function

Thanks! For the record, I deleted that part of my post because I realized you didn't ask why that was BOLDED but why it was in quotation marks. I use the 'quote' button to quote. I'm too lazy to type html. But I'll work on it. :happy:

Thanks, yarwell, too, for the further explanation. :flowerforyou: