Two + Months in, not a pound gone
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You're eating too much it's that simple. The fact your not willing to open up your diary makes me think it really is not that accurate. Other than your calories sounding pretty high. You can deny that that's the problem and be convinced you have some medical problem if thats your worry go get checked out with a doctor but in all likelihood it will come down to you eating more than you burn. If you want specific advice about your food you will need to open up your diary. It's pretty pointless asking the forum for advice then only give us part of the information/
Good luck and if they've not been provided before look at the links
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1234699-logging-accurately-step-by-step-guide
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Holistic medicine and massage therapy all the Science's then. ;-). Personally I'd rather stick with real Doctors and Science based Medicine
....My friend is a doctor, and she was very obese. She volunteered for a study where she went away with others to a clinic in AZ and they were put on a 500 calorie a day diet and did light workouts. She gained weight. Turned out she had a hormone imbalance that made her metabolism non-existent. She now is seeing a Chiropractor that specializes in weight loss. She has lost 22 pounds in 5 weeks. He keeps her on a strict diet that he designs for each patient himself. She goes to his office 3 times a week and they do a workout. She seems to like it, but says the diet is very boring and restricted.
I am reasonably confident that there is much more to this story than you are describing as gaining weight on 500 calories per day while exercising is physically impossible with the exception of water weight which any credible study on weight loss would measure.
The fact that a chiropractor was the eventual solution and that an educated person would consult one for weightloss leaves me baffled as well.
I don't think many physicians refer to their chiropractors for weight loss. That whole story is fishy.
No offense, but you people seem out of touch. Google it and you will find many threads explaining it to you. Chiropractic care is not the old fashioned business it use to be of just adjusting spines. They specialize in holistic medicine, massage therapy, helping the obese, even special diets and products. They also do sports medicine. It is an up and coming way to deal with obesity and poor nutrition choices. I am really amazed that some posters here are so hostile to any new ways of approaching weight loss. But more than that, why in the world would anyone come to this site and make up BS? It is not like this is some radical political chat room.
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obese woman ~"I normally eat 1300 calories so it's not bad"
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Got morbidly obese eating 1,300 calories a day!
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Very interesting article on triathletes gaining weight on 900 calories a day and from protein shakes. It is becoming a common occurrence. Typically the average professional athlete eats a lot.
http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/bodywork/performance-plate/If-Youre-Not-Eating-Enough-You-Might-Gain-Weight.html0 -
Very interesting article on triathletes gaining weight on 900 calories a day and from protein shakes. It is becoming a common occurrence. Typically the average professional athlete eats a lot.
http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/bodywork/performance-plate/If-Youre-Not-Eating-Enough-You-Might-Gain-Weight.html
I've seen a few of those case studies just like that.
The problem is usually the accuracy of the long term logging prior to getting help. Their goal might indeed have been 900 or 1200.
But they didn't see anyone for the facts to be written up until many months later.
But the people vaguely remember bingeing from time to time (as one could imagine).
Each binge with suppressed maintenance level was actually excess calories, to be put on as fat. And the body in that state was going to hold on to that.
But it does go to show it's the amount of deficit that can reach levels that cause the body to go in to max adapt mode.
Here's another one.
A similar case study was published by Jampolis (2004).
A 51 year old patient complained of a 15 lb weight gain over the last year, despite beginning a strenuous triathlon and marathon training program (2 hours per day, 5-6 days per week).
A 3 day diet analysis estimated a daily intake of only 1000-1200 Calories.
An indirect calorimetry revealed a resting metabolic rate of 950 Calories (28% below predicted for age, height, weight, and gender).
After medications and medical conditions such as hypothyroidism and diabetes were ruled out, the final diagnosis was over-training and undereating. The following treatment was recommended:
Increase daily dietary intake by approximately 100 Calories per week to a goal of 1500 calories
32% protein; 35% carbohydrates; 33% fat
Consume 5-6 small meals per day
Small amounts of protein with each meal or snack
Choose high fiber starches
Select mono- and poly- unsaturated fats
Restrict consumption of starch with evening meals unless focused around training
Take daily multi-vitamin and mineral supplement
Perform whole body isometric resistance training 2 times per week
After 6 weeks, the patient's resting metabolism increased 35% to 1282 Calories per day (only 2% below predicted).
The patient also decreases percent fat from 37% to 34%, a loss of 5 lbs of body fat.
Jampolis MB (2004) Weight Gain - Marathon Runner / Triathlete. Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise, 36(5) S148.0 -
I don't think that opening up my diary will help at all. I started out only eating 1300 calories a day, that's what I naturally eat when I eat what I want and don't try to watch what I'm eating (including dessert). I track every bite by weighing with a food scale or measuring with measuring cups and spoons, I never estimate and I always record what I've eaten before I move from the table,so I don't forget anything. I am very serious and dedicated to my weight loss. I'm not an over eater and I'm not a person who thinks they can fudge the numbers and "no one will know." I measure, I weigh and I record.
The first thing my nutritionist did was start increasing my caloric intake. She looks as my app to see what I've eaten since our last meeting (every two weeks) and tells me where to adjust (more variety, more vegetables, less fat, etc). She worked me up slowly since 1300 is what I was comfortable eating and any more than that felt like over eating and that feels gross. So, now I'm up to 2500 calories a day (total, not net). I burn 2800 on a lazy day and 3000-3200 on most days, according to my BMF. I had a resting metabolic rate test done (the serious one with the cart, not the portable one that is prone to miscalculation) and it is 2345.
So, for me it is not as simple as caloric deficit = weightloss, unfortunately. If that were the case I would have had more than a 1,000 calorie deficit before I started and I am still carrying a deficit of 500 on most days.
Still no weightloss.
it will help bc it will flat out show if you are ummmmmmmmm not to be rude
but, telling the truth or not about your calorie intake
its impossible if you are eating at a deficit for you to not have lost weight if you are eating healthy have no medical problems and have a trainer working out 5 days a week
so .. open the diary
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Please see an endocrinologist. Doctors can and do miss thyroid issues. They and the dietitians will just keep repeating basic math to you like you're an idiot because they don't believe you when you tell them you didn't eat too much and did exercise. It gets frustrating and disheartening. Don't give up.
If you have a thyroid problem, an endocrinologist will find it. They've seen so many patients who kept gaining when they didn't over eat and did exercise. They know you tried and they know nobody believed you. It's a common tale in the endocrinologist's office. They believe you and they fix it.
Not everyone loses the weight, but a corrected thyroid problem (and finding the right dosage can take some time!) will make you like everyone else. If you diet and exercise, the weight will come off very quickly compared to what you're used to.
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Holistic medicine and massage therapy all the Science's then. ;-). Personally I'd rather stick with real Doctors and Science based Medicine
....My friend is a doctor, and she was very obese. She volunteered for a study where she went away with others to a clinic in AZ and they were put on a 500 calorie a day diet and did light workouts. She gained weight. Turned out she had a hormone imbalance that made her metabolism non-existent. She now is seeing a Chiropractor that specializes in weight loss. She has lost 22 pounds in 5 weeks. He keeps her on a strict diet that he designs for each patient himself. She goes to his office 3 times a week and they do a workout. She seems to like it, but says the diet is very boring and restricted.
I am reasonably confident that there is much more to this story than you are describing as gaining weight on 500 calories per day while exercising is physically impossible with the exception of water weight which any credible study on weight loss would measure.
The fact that a chiropractor was the eventual solution and that an educated person would consult one for weightloss leaves me baffled as well.
I don't think many physicians refer to their chiropractors for weight loss. That whole story is fishy.
No offense, but you people seem out of touch. Google it and you will find many threads explaining it to you. Chiropractic care is not the old fashioned business it use to be of just adjusting spines. They specialize in holistic medicine, massage therapy, helping the obese, even special diets and products. They also do sports medicine. It is an up and coming way to deal with obesity and poor nutrition choices. I am really amazed that some posters here are so hostile to any new ways of approaching weight loss. But more than that, why in the world would anyone come to this site and make up BS? It is not like this is some radical political chat room.
You do realize that holistic medicine can also be practiced by "real Doctors" and be science based. There are quite a few MDs who practice either holistically or functionally -- and it's all science backed. Such terms are not mutually exclusive.0 -
Please see an endocrinologist. Doctors can and do miss thyroid issues. They and the dietitians will just keep repeating basic math to you like you're an idiot because they don't believe you when you tell them you didn't eat too much and did exercise. It gets frustrating and disheartening. Don't give up.
If you have a thyroid problem, an endocrinologist will find it. They've seen so many patients who kept gaining when they didn't over eat and did exercise. They know you tried and they know nobody believed you. It's a common tale in the endocrinologist's office. They believe you and they fix it.
Not everyone loses the weight, but a corrected thyroid problem (and finding the right dosage can take some time!) will make you like everyone else. If you diet and exercise, the weight will come off very quickly compared to what you're used to.
Don't get discouraged and give up before you see an endocrinologist.
Not all endos are fabulous. Search out a practitioner, whether endo or otherwise, that focuses on BOTH clinical symptoms and test values. There certainly are some endos that just look to test values and are very rigid about it despite plenty of symptoms to the contrary -- or that they're focused on getting you "within range" rather than focusing on what is the best range for you personally (i.e. some need to be in the upper third of the normal range for T3/T4 values for hypo symptoms to subside -- still in the normal range, but in a more limited area of the normal range).0 -
I don't think that opening up my diary will help at all. I started out only eating 1300 calories a day, that's what I naturally eat when I eat what I want and don't try to watch what I'm eating (including dessert).
OP
No offense, and I SERIOUSLY mean that, just by reading the above statement there is something very wrong here. Your ticker says you'd like to lose a fair amount of weight. If always naturally eating at 1,300 calories has gotten you to where you are then you have a serious medical condition and need to seek medical help. Or....
Its time to stop what your doing and evaluate what you are really taking in.
I say this with total support. I myself am guilty of not weighing ice cream, using a "cup" and smashing down as much as possible to pack it all into the "serving size", all the while licking the spoon and eating any chunks that fall on the counter. Logging it as one serving knowing damn well it was probably 3.0 -
I think you may want to check it out....but DC's ARE doctors. They go to undergraduate school, then to the medical school designed for their profession. It seems rather archaic to label people who worked very hard to become these professionals....as "not real doctors" just because they cannot prescribe meds....and that is now changing in several states. You must not consider your dentist a "doctor" either, or your optometrist.....yet I am sure you address them as "doctor" when visiting their offices for their services. DC's are literally hands on with patients and they are now becoming widely used for many areas of healthcare, including weight loss. IMO if people do not think outside the box with their healthcare, nutrition and weight loss, then they might be doomed to keep repeating the same patterns.0
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I have been dieting and exercising for years and am still very overweight. I saw my doctor first and he tested all of my hormones, thyroid, etc and found nothing (I used to have problems with my adrenal glands under functioning, but they are now fine). I got a Bodymedia fit and started using myfitnesspal to track my food. I was carrying a large calorie deficit, but still seeing no results. So, I started seeing a nutritionist that specializes in weight loss and got a personal trainer. I even got a heart rate monitor to be as precise as possible,
My nutritonist had me double my calorie intake and my personal trainer has me doing 45 min of cardio 3 times a week plus two days of resistance training a week. I am now two and a half months into the training and nutritionist and I am still not seeing any results at all. Not a single pound. My nutritionist has been consulting her peers and doctors to be sure she hasn't missed anything and my trainer is a masters student in exercise science with a professor overseeing everything I am doing.
Has anyone seen or experienced something similar to what is happening to me and can shed some light on what is going on?
I have a terrible time losing weight because I have a hypoactive thyroid. Even though I take medication to correct it, it's just not the same as what a real thyroid produces, so I can really commiserate.
I had tried everything too--but it wasn't until I saw a nutritionist that I have no (slowly) been losing weight--about a pound a week but I am not eating much at all. I am eating no more than 1200 calories per day--and I am exercising every day. The first 3 weeks I was doing MFP, I was eating the 'reward' calories from exercising but my nutritionist told me to ignore those completely--just exercise but stay within the 1200 daily goal--and that's what finally did the trick. I have now lost 5 lbs. and I am so happy because I have worked my butt off for every one of them.
I would let others check your diary and see what they can figure out. I'm still pretty new here but I wanted to mention that my nutritionist told me that MFP (a program she recommended by the way) over-calculates the points you get for exercising and that people aren't really burning off as much as MFP says.
I have no idea what will work for you---but it sounds crazy to me to double calories, especially if you aren't seeing any results. I know how frustrating that is so I feel for you.
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One other thing I have to say--I don't believe anyone could become morbidly obese eating 1300 calories a day (unless there is some VERY weird metabolic issues that are so far out of the norm it is not funny--and it's possible the person commenting was joking when he/she said that).
It's simple math. Calories in vs. Calories burned. My nutritionist told me it doesn't matter when you eat those calories--whether you eat them all in one meal or if you scatter them throughout the day. I was specifically worried because my husband and I eat dinner later at night and I thought this was factoring in my initial (frustrating) lack of weight loss--but she told me that those "rumors" about eating late at night was based on a faulty study that somehow gained a lot of steam.
If you are eating fewer calories that you are burning up, you will lose weight. I agree with the others who say that it is easy to delude ourselves. I've been that route before with Weight Watchers--where I "guestimated" my portion sizes. When I actually started measuring everything and writing EVERY SINGLE item down--and when I stopped eating my exercise "reward" calories, I immediately started losing weight.
People are all different. People have different metabolisms so you can't necessarily know that what works for another person in here will work for you. I recommend getting a different nutritionist because any one who would tell you to double your calorie intake seems like she/he might not be the best in the business.
I also find it very odd that you want the help of MFP posters but refuse to allow anyone to see your diary. I'm sorry--but that seems pretty hinky to me! Best of luck, though--and I truly hope you find the help you need.0 -
Lift heavy things and move every day do not eat alot of sugar(soda?) and listen to your body. MFP should enable you to tweak your nutrition plan what did you eat the day you gained ? the day you lost? look for patterns
and drink alot of water like 1 gallon this always helps me beat a plateau0 -
Got morbidly obese eating 1,300 calories a day!
That gif is so pretty can I have one too!?0 -
I have been dieting and exercising for years and am still very overweight. I saw my doctor first and he tested all of my hormones, thyroid, etc and found nothing (I used to have problems with my adrenal glands under functioning, but they are now fine). I got a Bodymedia fit and started using myfitnesspal to track my food. I was carrying a large calorie deficit, but still seeing no results. So, I started seeing a nutritionist that specializes in weight loss and got a personal trainer. I even got a heart rate monitor to be as precise as possible,
My nutritonist had me double my calorie intake and my personal trainer has me doing 45 min of cardio 3 times a week plus two days of resistance training a week. I am now two and a half months into the training and nutritionist and I am still not seeing any results at all. Not a single pound. My nutritionist has been consulting her peers and doctors to be sure she hasn't missed anything and my trainer is a masters student in exercise science with a professor overseeing everything I am doing.
Has anyone seen or experienced something similar to what is happening to me and can shed some light on what is going on?
In this study - it took 3 months of eating at maintenance, to recovery not even half of the suppressed metabolism.
And this was lab tested maintenance - not the faulty figures your BodyMedia is coming up with because it thinks it's reading a healthy body.
So if your doubling of intake brought you up to what still could be a deficit, not even what could be maintenance - then it'll likely taking you longer. this study referenced another one where maintenance was suppressed for a year after.
So unless you take steps to forget the weight loss and heal first, and then do the weight loss better than your previous years of diet and exercise and large calorie deficit, this is indeed going to take a long time.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/heybales/view/reduced-metabolism-tdee-beyond-expected-from-weight-loss-6162510 -
It's just calories in versus calories out. It's physically impossible not to lose weight if you're doing everything right. Especially since you've been cleared from doctors that there is nothing wrong.
Keep your food diary open, be honest and faithful about what and how many calories you're eating, and in that you yourself will find the problem.0 -
I have had some of the same problems in the past and as a result my metabolism is messed up now. When I eat well below my at rest calorie needs, my body thinks it should go into starvation mode and I lose no weight. The only diet that seems to work to jump start my metabolism is to eat my at rest calories-which sounds like 2300 calories for you (?). Then, any exercise is your deficit. It has worked so far, although slowly. Hope you start to see results, don't give up!0
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I think you may want to check it out....but DC's ARE doctors. ... You must not consider your dentist a "doctor" either, or your optometrist.....yet I am sure you address them as "doctor" when visiting their offices for their services.
Yes, you're right--and I wouldn't go to my optometrist to lose weight, either.0 -
I think you may want to check it out....but DC's ARE doctors. They go to undergraduate school, then to the medical school designed for their profession. It seems rather archaic to label people who worked very hard to become these professionals....as "not real doctors" just because they cannot prescribe meds....and that is now changing in several states. You must not consider your dentist a "doctor" either, or your optometrist.....yet I am sure you address them as "doctor" when visiting their offices for their services. DC's are literally hands on with patients and they are now becoming widely used for many areas of healthcare, including weight loss. IMO if people do not think outside the box with their healthcare, nutrition and weight loss, then they might be doomed to keep repeating the same patterns.
PhDs are "doctors" too but they're not physicians.0 -
I myself am guilty of not weighing ice cream, using a "cup" and smashing down as much as possible to pack it all into the "serving size", all the while licking the spoon and eating any chunks that fall on the counter. Logging it as one serving knowing damn well it was probably 3.
Damn. I thought I invented that.0 -
I guess weight loss was just too hard for her.0
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the eating out can use all your daily count up really quick & by what you have posted that you eat whatever you wanted but still wrote it down..you could be eating the wrong foods is all.,just have to watch what you eat is all....you dont have too but it helps...you have to look at the nutrition facts & the serving size & the serving per containers size & the calories per serving size....you need to keep up the log on MFP...yeah its hard work & can get frustrating as hell but when the weight starts coming off you will feel better...i to am overweight & doing the whole diet bit...i have a 1200 calorie count daily...you dont have to have a personal trainer..save your money & go to wal mart & buy a dvd by LESLIE SANSONE’S WALK AT HOME get any of her dvds & all you do is march in place & if you have kids have them do it with you make it something fun for the family...you dont have to do the whole dvd & you will see results...0
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