Paleo Eating
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There was an argument in there somewhere? You don't want to discuss the merits of the regime but an individual's personal compliance with it to see if they've "earned" the title of Paleo or otherwise according to you? That's an argument? Okay.
I find that sort of thing totally useless -- as I would questioning someone's faith tenets as being Jewish enough for my non-Jew standards (or any other variation). It has nothing to do with the actual, underlying philosophy or nutrition plan. Who are you to say that someone is "enough" Paleo or otherwise? And who cares? Oh, you. Oh, okay.
You were the one who brought it up, actually. So I guess it's something you like to talk about but can't stand when people respond, unless it's to agree with you. I wouldn't have brought it up on this thread, as that's not what it was originally about. But you took it there.
Why do people who eat dairy have the title primal, since none of this matters at all?
And finally, again: Many non-Catholics know that practicing Catholic priests cannot marry and have sex. Is it useless to ask why he believes he is? Can only Catholics question facts about Catholicism?
Is the definition of Paleo necessarily as strict as the sacrament of holy orders per the Catholic church? Is that really an argument you want to put forward -- that the definition of Paleo according to you should be as strict as a Catholic sacrament? Really? And this isn't useless semantics....
I think titles and a labels are helpful in the exchange of ideas. But when people focus on them so much so that it distorts the content of the idea exchange, I think it's no longer that helpful. Especially if people are getting totally lost in useless semantics. This is what it appears you are doing. Perhaps you disagree.
So Paleo means that you eat whatever you want as long as it fits your macros?
Not from my understanding. And if that's what you pulled from this whole thread, I hope your livelihood is not dependent upon reading comprehension.
When I look at a friend's diary, I can tell who is vegetarian and who is vegan based on their food choices. They don't need to provide me with a label, it is evident.
However, when looking at the diaries of people who self-identify as "Paleo" - I have never been able to tell the difference between them and an IIFYM adherent. This is why the question keeps getting asked: if the nutrition plan is so great, then why doesn't anybody actually follow it? And if nobody actually follows it, why do we need to call it anything at all?0 -
Let me see...
I started my morning with oatmeal (processed) with brown sugar (processed), chopped pecans (processed), and raisins (processed). I also enjoyed a large coffee (processed) with cream (processed) , sugar (processed) and hazelnut shot (processed).
I'll let you know what have for lunch.
This is what drives me nuts....of course in this day and age you are going to eat "processed" food, whether Paleo or not. Unless you're a farmer who grows/raises everything you eat and does all of the butchering, etc, yourself, you are eating processed food. I think everyone has enough common sense to know that what is meant by processed, in this discussion, is the chemical/sodum/sugar laden food that is abundantly available, like chips, cookies, freezer meals, and many other forms of convenience foods. Of course our meat, nuts, raisins, coffee, etc are processed, because we don't do it ourselves. There is a big difference between processed chopped pecans and processed oreos. For example, tuna in a can....something healthy for you, full of good for you stuff, so why do they feel the need to add vegetable broth (which has lord knows what chemicals and additives) and soy to it? Why can't we just get tuna in a can with water or olive oil?? Thankfully some companies do that, but the majority of them add stuff. Dates is another example...they are super sweet on their own, so why does the bag I bought the other day have sugar added??? It's unnecessary and unhealthy.
Oh hey, food for thought that has nothing to do with this topic, apparently scientists tested a bunch of canned tuna and tuna sushi and such and very little of it is actually tuna at all.0 -
Who are you to say that someone is "enough" Paleo or otherwise?
A person who has a working brain and can differentiate facts from statements.
But since you asked, the only time I've been interested in a Paleo dieter's diary was when it was brought up and the person willingly engaged in conversation about it. I have no idea what you eat, and truly, I don't care. I also don't check the diaries of people who call themselves vegans. But do I raise an eyebrow when someone says, "I'm a vegan but I eat eggs?" Yeah, sorry.
Who are you to say that I can't have opinions on who is Paleo enough?
I'm not saying you can't have an opinion on who is Paleo enough. You can do whatever you like and have whatever opinion you want. But, likewise, I can have that opinion that such judgment is petty, unnecessary and does not contribute to the general conversation about the pros and cons of Paleo diets and their variations. See, we can both have opinions
How can we have a discussion about the pros and cons of the Paleo diets if Paleo means that people eat whatever they want as adults who make choices?
I don't know. How can we have a discussion about anything with this limited use of language? What does any of this mean?
Extrapolating into Absurdity: favorite pastime by particularly clever MFP users.
I know. It sucks when words mean things, doesn't it?
And by that I mean that turtles are potato.0 -
Let me see...
I started my morning with oatmeal (processed) with brown sugar (processed), chopped pecans (processed), and raisins (processed). I also enjoyed a large coffee (processed) with cream (processed) , sugar (processed) and hazelnut shot (processed).
I'll let you know what have for lunch.
This is what drives me nuts....of course in this day and age you are going to eat "processed" food, whether Paleo or not. Unless you're a farmer who grows/raises everything you eat and does all of the butchering, etc, yourself, you are eating processed food. I think everyone has enough common sense to know that what is meant by processed, in this discussion, is the chemical/sodum/sugar laden food that is abundantly available, like chips, cookies, freezer meals, and many other forms of convenience foods. Of course our meat, nuts, raisins, coffee, etc are processed, because we don't do it ourselves. There is a big difference between processed chopped pecans and processed oreos. For example, tuna in a can....something healthy for you, full of good for you stuff, so why do they feel the need to add vegetable broth (which has lord knows what chemicals and additives) and soy to it? Why can't we just get tuna in a can with water or olive oil?? Thankfully some companies do that, but the majority of them add stuff. Dates is another example...they are super sweet on their own, so why does the bag I bought the other day have sugar added??? It's unnecessary and unhealthy.
Oh hey, food for thought that has nothing to do with this topic, apparently scientists tested a bunch of canned tuna and tuna sushi and such and very little of it is actually tuna at all.
Really? What was it?
The stuff I get at sushi restaurants has a distinctive look and taste...do they have a vial of "raw tuna" flavor somewhere?0 -
I guess I look to facts to discriminate those ones what are helpful/important to the discussion and those that are not.
You.Brought.It.Up.
I don't find someone's personal compliance to be an issue at all when discussing the underlying theories of the diet. Perhaps their personal results, but that's about it.
And I understand that 100% compliance is not necessary for all definitions. There are many different levels of Jews and types of Christians. Are Lutherans any less Christian than Catholics? Are Hasidics any less Jewish than reform Jews? Do such judgments really make a difference at all in discussing the basic tenets of Judaism or Christianity? No, not really. If anything it shows that there are variations within specific sets of beliefs.
I think Paleo and Primal are similar in many ways. They do share certain ideologies, but differ on others. One is derived from the other. Just as Protestants and Catholics are both Christians, though they have different ideologies and histories.
You must be really fun at parties.
Oh, I agree with you. That's why I eat a lot of soy and legumes but am still firmly a Paleo follower.
I'm a blast. We should go party together. This is a discussion forum, to intelligently discuss ideas, though, not a party.
I'm going to avoid judging you back, though, because I know you don't like those.
Since I have nothing of value to offer, why not put me on ignore? You keep saying how useless my posts are, but you keep responding.0 -
Not from my understanding. And if that's what you pulled from this whole thread, I hope your livelihood is not dependent upon reading comprehension.
When I look at a friend's diary, I can tell who is vegetarian and who is vegan based on their food choices. They don't need to provide me with a label, it is evident.
However, when looking at the diaries of people who self-identify as "Paleo" - I have never been able to tell the difference between them and an IIFYM adherent. This is why the question keeps getting asked: if the nutrition plan is so great, then why doesn't anybody actually follow it? And if nobody actually follows it, why do we need to call it anything at all?
Well, I can't say why everyone else does their own thing, but I think part of the issue is that the definition is still evolving. There is strict Paleo, Primal and probably other variations.
I think people make variations according to their own needs. Some probably do need to stick to strict Paleo. Others find that they can tolerate dairy rather well and enjoy it, so they add it back in -- they often become Primal. The various plans have a lot more in common than they differ -- just like Christianity has many sects. It's really not that hard. But some people seem to really struggle with flexible definitions.
Sometimes they probably just say Paleo as an umbrella term -- like Christianity -- but will get into specifics in polite discourse. But, when people start attacking them about not being Paleo enough, probably most just stop continuing to discuss. Or that would be my guess anyway.0 -
Who gets to decide what is strict Paleo?0
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Who gets to decide what is strict Paleo?
I don't know. Perhaps some draconian entity could be established -- the Paleo Inquisition. I nominate you as head of the The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition.0 -
I don't know. Perhaps some draconian entity could be established -- the Paleo Inquisition. I nominate you as head of the The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition.
That could work. I've always wanted to be head of a tribunal. I'm only willing to accept the position if I can come in on sick days from my full-time job, though. When I can't get out of bed, I don't have much else to do. Will that be ok?0 -
Who gets to decide what is strict Paleo?
Anthropologists.
This thread has sunk the level of the absurd. None of you are eating Paleo, so we have people who don't eat Paleo arguing with other people who don't eat Paleo about what it means to eat Paleo.
The only thing missing is a rude Frenchman hurling insults from the castle wall.0 -
Who gets to decide what is strict Paleo?
Anthropologists.
Judgmental and literal. Wrong.0 -
Who gets to decide what is strict Paleo?
Anthropologists.
Judgmental and literal. Wrong.
No, it's right.
Anything else reduces it to just a marketing slogan, in which case "paleo" means exactly nothing (*cough* mark sisson *cough*).0 -
Anything else reduces it to just a marketing slogan, in which case "paleo" means exactly nothing (*cough* mark sisson *cough*).
You're only allowed to respond to something I say if I like what you have to say.0 -
Anything else reduces it to just a marketing slogan, in which case "paleo" means exactly nothing (*cough* mark sisson *cough*).
You're only allowed to respond to something I say if I like what you have to say.
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Who gets to decide what is strict Paleo?
Anthropologists.
This thread has sunk the level of the absurd. None of you are eating Paleo, so we have people who don't eat Paleo arguing with other people who don't eat Paleo about what it means to eat Paleo.
The only thing missing is a rude Frenchman hurling insults from the castle wall.
Tu es betes comme tes pieds!0 -
Hey, I have been reading about the Paleo way of eating and would like to know if any of you have tried it and if so, what was your experiences with it? Thanks in advance!!
My ancestors were all on a Paleo diet over 10,000 yrs ago. They all died, so I have been a little hesitant to try it. :bigsmile:0 -
Who are you to say that someone is "enough" Paleo or otherwise?
A person who has a working brain and can differentiate facts from statements.
But since you asked, the only time I've been interested in a Paleo dieter's diary was when it was brought up and the person willingly engaged in conversation about it. I have no idea what you eat, and truly, I don't care. I also don't check the diaries of people who call themselves vegans. But do I raise an eyebrow when someone says, "I'm a vegan but I eat eggs?" Yeah, sorry.
Who are you to say that I can't have opinions on who is Paleo enough?
I'm not saying you can't have an opinion on who is Paleo enough. You can do whatever you like and have whatever opinion you want. But, likewise, I can have that opinion that such judgment is petty, unnecessary and does not contribute to the general conversation about the pros and cons of Paleo diets and their variations. See, we can both have opinions
How can we have a discussion about the pros and cons of the Paleo diets if Paleo means that people eat whatever they want as adults who make choices?
Just a comment... just because a Catholic person doesn't follow the Catholic doctrines perfectly doesn't mean Catholicism doesn't exist. It means that Catholic person could do better to follow Catholicism in it's entirety. Doesn't change what Catholicism is actually supposed to be. But that person will still call themselves a Catholic because sin (or in this case, eating something that's on the "no-no list") is something extremely few humans have ever been able to resist. Using that same metaphor.0 -
Just a comment... just because a Catholic person doesn't follow the Catholic doctrines perfectly doesn't mean Catholicism doesn't exist. It means that Catholic person could do better to follow Catholicism in it's entirety. Doesn't change what Catholicism is actually supposed to be. But that person will still call themselves a Catholic because sin (or in this case, eating something that's on the "no-no list") is something extremely few humans have ever been able to resist. Using that same metaphor.
Jesus dying for the existence of sins is built into the belief system. The Catholic church can and does decide who is Catholic enough to remain Catholic in some circumstances. A Catholic priest will not offer forgiveness if he does not believe the person is actually repenting for their sins.
Of course Paleo exists. I think it's a respectable diet for people who believe in the merits of it enough. If it weren't for other dietary restrictions that I consider more important for myself, I think it's possible I could do quite well on a Paleo diet. I don't tell people I follow one because I don't. (Except on this thread, where I am the draconian head of a Holy Tribune, and I can make false prophet miscreants do my bidding.)0 -
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What the book doesn't tell you is that humans have actually evolved out of the hunter/gather period of 10k years ago. We no longer live in caves either. For the past two centuries we have been eating protein, fat, and carbs. The weight problem stems from eating too much.
These diets are designed to lose weight quickly by bulking up on one food group, while eliminating another. That another is typically a food group that our bodies require and craves. The result of these type diets, is that once the person starts eating normal again, they gain back the weight twice as fast as they lost it, plus an extra 20 or so pounds. IOW don't do it.
Weight loss is simply calories in versus calories out. No gimmicks, no books. It simply means eat less, move more. Something that no one has figured out a way to sell yet-LOL.0 -
Who are you to say that someone is "enough" Paleo or otherwise?
A person who has a working brain and can differentiate facts from statements.
But since you asked, the only time I've been interested in a Paleo dieter's diary was when it was brought up and the person willingly engaged in conversation about it. I have no idea what you eat, and truly, I don't care. I also don't check the diaries of people who call themselves vegans. But do I raise an eyebrow when someone says, "I'm a vegan but I eat eggs?" Yeah, sorry.
Who are you to say that I can't have opinions on who is Paleo enough?
I'm not saying you can't have an opinion on who is Paleo enough. You can do whatever you like and have whatever opinion you want. But, likewise, I can have that opinion that such judgment is petty, unnecessary and does not contribute to the general conversation about the pros and cons of Paleo diets and their variations. See, we can both have opinions
How can we have a discussion about the pros and cons of the Paleo diets if Paleo means that people eat whatever they want as adults who make choices?
Just a comment... just because a Catholic person doesn't follow the Catholic doctrines perfectly doesn't mean Catholicism doesn't exist. It means that Catholic person could do better to follow Catholicism in it's entirety. Doesn't change what Catholicism is actually supposed to be. But that person will still call themselves a Catholic because sin (or in this case, eating something that's on the "no-no list") is something extremely few humans have ever been able to resist. Using that same metaphor.
I can't be the only one that found the comparison of the Paleo diet to a religion a bit comical?0 -
Who are you to say that someone is "enough" Paleo or otherwise?
A person who has a working brain and can differentiate facts from statements.
But since you asked, the only time I've been interested in a Paleo dieter's diary was when it was brought up and the person willingly engaged in conversation about it. I have no idea what you eat, and truly, I don't care. I also don't check the diaries of people who call themselves vegans. But do I raise an eyebrow when someone says, "I'm a vegan but I eat eggs?" Yeah, sorry.
Who are you to say that I can't have opinions on who is Paleo enough?
I'm not saying you can't have an opinion on who is Paleo enough. You can do whatever you like and have whatever opinion you want. But, likewise, I can have that opinion that such judgment is petty, unnecessary and does not contribute to the general conversation about the pros and cons of Paleo diets and their variations. See, we can both have opinions
How can we have a discussion about the pros and cons of the Paleo diets if Paleo means that people eat whatever they want as adults who make choices?
Just a comment... just because a Catholic person doesn't follow the Catholic doctrines perfectly doesn't mean Catholicism doesn't exist. It means that Catholic person could do better to follow Catholicism in it's entirety. Doesn't change what Catholicism is actually supposed to be. But that person will still call themselves a Catholic because sin (or in this case, eating something that's on the "no-no list") is something extremely few humans have ever been able to resist. Using that same metaphor.
The thing is that "Christian" or "Catholic" isn't defined by a set of acts, it's a state of grace. That state of grace is exemplified in a number of ways, but you don't get to be a Christian by simply going through the motions. God is the final arbitrator of who makes it and who doesn't. It was a bad metaphor to begin with.
However, you can't be an ethical Vegan and still eat meat. Veganism is defined by the acts of the person ascribing to the philosophy. They eat sausage and they aren't vegan anymore even if their ethics remains the same.
Theoretically, Paleo should be a set of acts like Veganism (diet/lifestyle). We should be able to define what Paleo is and isn't. And, just like Vegans, we should be able to say "this set of people adhere to this lifestyle."0 -
Who are you to say that someone is "enough" Paleo or otherwise?
A person who has a working brain and can differentiate facts from statements.
But since you asked, the only time I've been interested in a Paleo dieter's diary was when it was brought up and the person willingly engaged in conversation about it. I have no idea what you eat, and truly, I don't care. I also don't check the diaries of people who call themselves vegans. But do I raise an eyebrow when someone says, "I'm a vegan but I eat eggs?" Yeah, sorry.
Who are you to say that I can't have opinions on who is Paleo enough?
I'm not saying you can't have an opinion on who is Paleo enough. You can do whatever you like and have whatever opinion you want. But, likewise, I can have that opinion that such judgment is petty, unnecessary and does not contribute to the general conversation about the pros and cons of Paleo diets and their variations. See, we can both have opinions
How can we have a discussion about the pros and cons of the Paleo diets if Paleo means that people eat whatever they want as adults who make choices?
Just a comment... just because a Catholic person doesn't follow the Catholic doctrines perfectly doesn't mean Catholicism doesn't exist. It means that Catholic person could do better to follow Catholicism in it's entirety. Doesn't change what Catholicism is actually supposed to be. But that person will still call themselves a Catholic because sin (or in this case, eating something that's on the "no-no list") is something extremely few humans have ever been able to resist. Using that same metaphor.
I can't be the only one that found the comparison of the Paleo diet to a religion a bit comical?
I thought it was telling.0 -
Totally agree.0
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Who are you to say that someone is "enough" Paleo or otherwise?
A person who has a working brain and can differentiate facts from statements.
But since you asked, the only time I've been interested in a Paleo dieter's diary was when it was brought up and the person willingly engaged in conversation about it. I have no idea what you eat, and truly, I don't care. I also don't check the diaries of people who call themselves vegans. But do I raise an eyebrow when someone says, "I'm a vegan but I eat eggs?" Yeah, sorry.
Who are you to say that I can't have opinions on who is Paleo enough?
I'm not saying you can't have an opinion on who is Paleo enough. You can do whatever you like and have whatever opinion you want. But, likewise, I can have that opinion that such judgment is petty, unnecessary and does not contribute to the general conversation about the pros and cons of Paleo diets and their variations. See, we can both have opinions
How can we have a discussion about the pros and cons of the Paleo diets if Paleo means that people eat whatever they want as adults who make choices?
Just a comment... just because a Catholic person doesn't follow the Catholic doctrines perfectly doesn't mean Catholicism doesn't exist. It means that Catholic person could do better to follow Catholicism in it's entirety. Doesn't change what Catholicism is actually supposed to be. But that person will still call themselves a Catholic because sin (or in this case, eating something that's on the "no-no list") is something extremely few humans have ever been able to resist. Using that same metaphor.
The thing is that "Christian" or "Catholic" isn't defined by a set of acts, it's a state of grace. That state of grace is exemplified in a number of ways, but you don't get to be a Christian by simply going through the motions. God is the final arbitrator of who makes it and who doesn't. It was a bad metaphor to begin with.
However, you can't be an ethical Vegan and still eat meat. Veganism is defined by the acts of the person ascribing to the philosophy. They eat sausage and they aren't vegan anymore even if their ethics remains the same.
Theoretically, Paleo should be a set of acts like Veganism (diet/lifestyle). We should be able to define what Paleo is and isn't. And, just like Vegans, we should be able to say "this set of people adhere to this lifestyle."
I'm fairly certain there are some Christians that don't hold to the state of grace definition. But, pish. That would be beside the point, right?
It's a simple metaphor in that there are several sects and definitions of different types of Christians -- and because you happen to adhere to one or only adhere to some of the guiding tenants doesn't nullify your inclusion in the group in general.
But, some fail to understand the basis of basic analogies, so they get wrapped up in catechism definitions of what is a state of grace which is completely inapplicable. The whole point of an analogy is that they share a similar relationship (not that all issues are perfectly parallel). Man, I hope such people don't make their living on critical thinking and reasoning skills.0 -
Let me see...
I started my morning with oatmeal (processed) with brown sugar (processed), chopped pecans (processed), and raisins (processed). I also enjoyed a large coffee (processed) with cream (processed) , sugar (processed) and hazelnut shot (processed).
I'll let you know what have for lunch.
This is what drives me nuts....of course in this day and age you are going to eat "processed" food, whether Paleo or not. Unless you're a farmer who grows/raises everything you eat and does all of the butchering, etc, yourself, you are eating processed food. I think everyone has enough common sense to know that what is meant by processed, in this discussion, is the chemical/sodum/sugar laden food that is abundantly available, like chips, cookies, freezer meals, and many other forms of convenience foods. Of course our meat, nuts, raisins, coffee, etc are processed, because we don't do it ourselves. There is a big difference between processed chopped pecans and processed oreos. For example, tuna in a can....something healthy for you, full of good for you stuff, so why do they feel the need to add vegetable broth (which has lord knows what chemicals and additives) and soy to it? Why can't we just get tuna in a can with water or olive oil?? Thankfully some companies do that, but the majority of them add stuff. Dates is another example...they are super sweet on their own, so why does the bag I bought the other day have sugar added??? It's unnecessary and unhealthy.
Oh hey, food for thought that has nothing to do with this topic, apparently scientists tested a bunch of canned tuna and tuna sushi and such and very little of it is actually tuna at all.
Really? What was it?
The stuff I get at sushi restaurants has a distinctive look and taste...do they have a vial of "raw tuna" flavor somewhere?
It's a different kind of fish, often. Since tuna is very over fished.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/02/59-of-the-tuna-americans-eat-is-not-tuna/273410/0 -
Who are you to say that someone is "enough" Paleo or otherwise?
A person who has a working brain and can differentiate facts from statements.
But since you asked, the only time I've been interested in a Paleo dieter's diary was when it was brought up and the person willingly engaged in conversation about it. I have no idea what you eat, and truly, I don't care. I also don't check the diaries of people who call themselves vegans. But do I raise an eyebrow when someone says, "I'm a vegan but I eat eggs?" Yeah, sorry.
Who are you to say that I can't have opinions on who is Paleo enough?
I'm not saying you can't have an opinion on who is Paleo enough. You can do whatever you like and have whatever opinion you want. But, likewise, I can have that opinion that such judgment is petty, unnecessary and does not contribute to the general conversation about the pros and cons of Paleo diets and their variations. See, we can both have opinions
How can we have a discussion about the pros and cons of the Paleo diets if Paleo means that people eat whatever they want as adults who make choices?
Just a comment... just because a Catholic person doesn't follow the Catholic doctrines perfectly doesn't mean Catholicism doesn't exist. It means that Catholic person could do better to follow Catholicism in it's entirety. Doesn't change what Catholicism is actually supposed to be. But that person will still call themselves a Catholic because sin (or in this case, eating something that's on the "no-no list") is something extremely few humans have ever been able to resist. Using that same metaphor.
The thing is that "Christian" or "Catholic" isn't defined by a set of acts, it's a state of grace. That state of grace is exemplified in a number of ways, but you don't get to be a Christian by simply going through the motions. God is the final arbitrator of who makes it and who doesn't. It was a bad metaphor to begin with.
However, you can't be an ethical Vegan and still eat meat. Veganism is defined by the acts of the person ascribing to the philosophy. They eat sausage and they aren't vegan anymore even if their ethics remains the same.
Theoretically, Paleo should be a set of acts like Veganism (diet/lifestyle). We should be able to define what Paleo is and isn't. And, just like Vegans, we should be able to say "this set of people adhere to this lifestyle."
I'm fairly certain there are some Christians that don't hold to the state of grace definition. But, pish. That would be beside the point, right?
It's a simple metaphor in that there are several sects and definitions of different types of Christians -- and because you happen to adhere to one or only adhere to some of the guiding tenants doesn't nullify your inclusion in the group in general.
But, some fail to understand the basis of basic analogies, so they get wrapped up in catechism definitions of what is a state of grace which is completely inapplicable. The whole point of an analogy is that they share a similar relationship (not that all issues are perfectly parallel). Man, I hope such people don't make their living on critical thinking and reasoning skills.
Meh, I understood the comparison but it still made me laugh.0 -
Who are you to say that someone is "enough" Paleo or otherwise?
A person who has a working brain and can differentiate facts from statements.
But since you asked, the only time I've been interested in a Paleo dieter's diary was when it was brought up and the person willingly engaged in conversation about it. I have no idea what you eat, and truly, I don't care. I also don't check the diaries of people who call themselves vegans. But do I raise an eyebrow when someone says, "I'm a vegan but I eat eggs?" Yeah, sorry.
Who are you to say that I can't have opinions on who is Paleo enough?
I'm not saying you can't have an opinion on who is Paleo enough. You can do whatever you like and have whatever opinion you want. But, likewise, I can have that opinion that such judgment is petty, unnecessary and does not contribute to the general conversation about the pros and cons of Paleo diets and their variations. See, we can both have opinions
How can we have a discussion about the pros and cons of the Paleo diets if Paleo means that people eat whatever they want as adults who make choices?
Just a comment... just because a Catholic person doesn't follow the Catholic doctrines perfectly doesn't mean Catholicism doesn't exist. It means that Catholic person could do better to follow Catholicism in it's entirety. Doesn't change what Catholicism is actually supposed to be. But that person will still call themselves a Catholic because sin (or in this case, eating something that's on the "no-no list") is something extremely few humans have ever been able to resist. Using that same metaphor.
The thing is that "Christian" or "Catholic" isn't defined by a set of acts, it's a state of grace. That state of grace is exemplified in a number of ways, but you don't get to be a Christian by simply going through the motions. God is the final arbitrator of who makes it and who doesn't. It was a bad metaphor to begin with.
However, you can't be an ethical Vegan and still eat meat. Veganism is defined by the acts of the person ascribing to the philosophy. They eat sausage and they aren't vegan anymore even if their ethics remains the same.
Theoretically, Paleo should be a set of acts like Veganism (diet/lifestyle). We should be able to define what Paleo is and isn't. And, just like Vegans, we should be able to say "this set of people adhere to this lifestyle."
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Who are you to say that someone is "enough" Paleo or otherwise?
A person who has a working brain and can differentiate facts from statements.
But since you asked, the only time I've been interested in a Paleo dieter's diary was when it was brought up and the person willingly engaged in conversation about it. I have no idea what you eat, and truly, I don't care. I also don't check the diaries of people who call themselves vegans. But do I raise an eyebrow when someone says, "I'm a vegan but I eat eggs?" Yeah, sorry.
Who are you to say that I can't have opinions on who is Paleo enough?
I'm not saying you can't have an opinion on who is Paleo enough. You can do whatever you like and have whatever opinion you want. But, likewise, I can have that opinion that such judgment is petty, unnecessary and does not contribute to the general conversation about the pros and cons of Paleo diets and their variations. See, we can both have opinions
How can we have a discussion about the pros and cons of the Paleo diets if Paleo means that people eat whatever they want as adults who make choices?
Just a comment... just because a Catholic person doesn't follow the Catholic doctrines perfectly doesn't mean Catholicism doesn't exist. It means that Catholic person could do better to follow Catholicism in it's entirety. Doesn't change what Catholicism is actually supposed to be. But that person will still call themselves a Catholic because sin (or in this case, eating something that's on the "no-no list") is something extremely few humans have ever been able to resist. Using that same metaphor.
The thing is that "Christian" or "Catholic" isn't defined by a set of acts, it's a state of grace. That state of grace is exemplified in a number of ways, but you don't get to be a Christian by simply going through the motions. God is the final arbitrator of who makes it and who doesn't. It was a bad metaphor to begin with.
However, you can't be an ethical Vegan and still eat meat. Veganism is defined by the acts of the person ascribing to the philosophy. They eat sausage and they aren't vegan anymore even if their ethics remains the same.
Theoretically, Paleo should be a set of acts like Veganism (diet/lifestyle). We should be able to define what Paleo is and isn't. And, just like Vegans, we should be able to say "this set of people adhere to this lifestyle."
I'm fairly certain there are some Christians that don't hold to the state of grace definition. But, pish. That would be beside the point, right?
It's a simple metaphor in that there are several sects and definitions of different types of Christians -- and because you happen to adhere to one or only adhere to some of the guiding tenants doesn't nullify your inclusion in the group in general.
But, some fail to understand the basis of basic analogies, so they get wrapped up in catechism definitions of what is a state of grace which is completely inapplicable. The whole point of an analogy is that they share a similar relationship (not that all issues are perfectly parallel). Man, I hope such people don't make their living on critical thinking and reasoning skills.
Meh, I understood the comparison but it still made me laugh.
No doubt. Sadly, I think it's terribly appropriate in other ways -- especially how so many factions will come out and bash other factions, for a variety of reasons. As if they have the one and only true way -- and are terribly threatened by others' truths. I'm not sure of any other topic that inspires that sort of fanaticism and tunnel vision than religion.0 -
Who are you to say that someone is "enough" Paleo or otherwise?
A person who has a working brain and can differentiate facts from statements.
But since you asked, the only time I've been interested in a Paleo dieter's diary was when it was brought up and the person willingly engaged in conversation about it. I have no idea what you eat, and truly, I don't care. I also don't check the diaries of people who call themselves vegans. But do I raise an eyebrow when someone says, "I'm a vegan but I eat eggs?" Yeah, sorry.
Who are you to say that I can't have opinions on who is Paleo enough?
I'm not saying you can't have an opinion on who is Paleo enough. You can do whatever you like and have whatever opinion you want. But, likewise, I can have that opinion that such judgment is petty, unnecessary and does not contribute to the general conversation about the pros and cons of Paleo diets and their variations. See, we can both have opinions
How can we have a discussion about the pros and cons of the Paleo diets if Paleo means that people eat whatever they want as adults who make choices?
Just a comment... just because a Catholic person doesn't follow the Catholic doctrines perfectly doesn't mean Catholicism doesn't exist. It means that Catholic person could do better to follow Catholicism in it's entirety. Doesn't change what Catholicism is actually supposed to be. But that person will still call themselves a Catholic because sin (or in this case, eating something that's on the "no-no list") is something extremely few humans have ever been able to resist. Using that same metaphor.
The thing is that "Christian" or "Catholic" isn't defined by a set of acts, it's a state of grace. That state of grace is exemplified in a number of ways, but you don't get to be a Christian by simply going through the motions. God is the final arbitrator of who makes it and who doesn't. It was a bad metaphor to begin with.
However, you can't be an ethical Vegan and still eat meat. Veganism is defined by the acts of the person ascribing to the philosophy. They eat sausage and they aren't vegan anymore even if their ethics remains the same.
Theoretically, Paleo should be a set of acts like Veganism (diet/lifestyle). We should be able to define what Paleo is and isn't. And, just like Vegans, we should be able to say "this set of people adhere to this lifestyle."
I'm fairly certain there are some Christians that don't hold to the state of grace definition. But, pish. That would be beside the point, right?
It's a simple metaphor in that there are several sects and definitions of different types of Christians -- and because you happen to adhere to one or only adhere to some of the guiding tenants doesn't nullify your inclusion in the group in general.
But, some fail to understand the basis of basic analogies, so they get wrapped up in catechism definitions of what is a state of grace which is completely inapplicable. The whole point of an analogy is that they share a similar relationship (not that all issues are perfectly parallel). Man, I hope such people don't make their living on critical thinking and reasoning skills.
Meh, I understood the comparison but it still made me laugh.
No doubt. Sadly, I think it's terribly appropriate in other ways -- especially how so many factions will come out and bash other factions, for a variety of reasons. As if they have the one and only true way -- and are terribly threatened by others' truths. I'm not sure of any other topic that inspires that sort of fanaticism and tunnel vision than religion.
It must be so difficult for you to be in the top 10% of smart people and have to suffer fools like us.0
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