going to bed full on net -28 calories...
mandez19
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Due to heavy cardio and low calorie but filling food and a ton of water (13 cups today), I am going to go to bed not hungry at all at -28 net calories - probably less considering that even though I sit at a desk for 9.5 hours a day - and therefore set my activity level to sedentary, I was actually quite active over all... +300 net yesterday same thing. Felt totally fine today.
I know this is a "noob" thing to do, but I'm not too worried because I feel good. I'm definitely going to gradually up the calories to recommended numbers, but for now I am taking advantage of my noobiness as long as I'm not feeling light headed or weak. Most of us including myself have done this and slowly gone back up, and down, and up, and down, and up.... and? But with the help of this website I honestly just can't wait to get to my goal weight so I can switch to a maintenance lifestyle and see where that takes me. This is key for my success. I'm not focused on the number on the scale, I just want to get down 20 lbs. or so and start from there, until I get there it is just 100% noob style.
Embrace the super motivated noob, but just make it a quick hug. Don't think of reaching your goal weight as the journey, think of the rest of your life after you get to that goal the journey. These are two completely different things.
Caution - This isn't the same as only consuming 300 calories with no exercise... or eating some celery and no exercise for -28 net. I ate a lot of food both days, a lot of good filling food at each meal, no garbage empty calorie stuff.
Thanks for reading.
I know this is a "noob" thing to do, but I'm not too worried because I feel good. I'm definitely going to gradually up the calories to recommended numbers, but for now I am taking advantage of my noobiness as long as I'm not feeling light headed or weak. Most of us including myself have done this and slowly gone back up, and down, and up, and down, and up.... and? But with the help of this website I honestly just can't wait to get to my goal weight so I can switch to a maintenance lifestyle and see where that takes me. This is key for my success. I'm not focused on the number on the scale, I just want to get down 20 lbs. or so and start from there, until I get there it is just 100% noob style.
Embrace the super motivated noob, but just make it a quick hug. Don't think of reaching your goal weight as the journey, think of the rest of your life after you get to that goal the journey. These are two completely different things.
Caution - This isn't the same as only consuming 300 calories with no exercise... or eating some celery and no exercise for -28 net. I ate a lot of food both days, a lot of good filling food at each meal, no garbage empty calorie stuff.
Thanks for reading.
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You may feel fine now, but I certainly wouldn't make a habit of it. Your car doesn't like running on fumes and neither will your body. And while you may see scale numbers go down (which you say you don't care about), you can say goodbye to lean muscle right along with any fat you may lose.
Just because you ate a bunch of "filling food" that was low cal and you don't feel hungry at the moment doesn't mean it was adequate fuel for your body. If you really want to do this for life, start practicing proper eating NOW - not after you've lost your lean body mass, screwed up your metabolism and hormones.
Negative net cals is no bueno. :noway: I'll stick with never netting below my BMR (1400), taking a small cut from TDEE and never having to worry about being under-fueled for workouts or life in general, let alone light-headed or faint. Hit goal weight eating this way and have kept it off for over 2 years. :drinker: Lost the fat, kept the muscle.
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Ya the weekend is coming too.. so... probably going to net my goal of 1500 and should still be losing lbs. on that. Eat to live, but still enjoy it. It is possible.0
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Yeah, it is possible - I eat around 2000 calories a day - pizza, burgers, beer, ice cream, donuts - and I have lost the weight and kept it off.
So why are you going with negative net cals? :huh:0 -
You may feel fine now, but I certainly wouldn't make a habit of it. Your car doesn't like running on fumes and neither will your body. And while you may see scale numbers go down (which you say you don't care about), you can say goodbye to lean muscle right along with any fat you may lose.
Just because you ate a bunch of "filling food" that was low cal and you don't feel hungry at the moment doesn't mean it was adequate fuel for your body. If you really want to do this for life, start practicing proper eating NOW - not after you've lost your lean body mass, screwed up your metabolism and hormones.
Negative net cals is no bueno. :noway: I'll stick with never netting below my BMR (1400), taking a small cut from TDEE and never having to worry about being under-fueled for workouts or life in general, let alone light-headed or faint. Hit goal weight eating this way and have kept it off for over 2 years. :drinker: Lost the fat, kept the muscle.
Good luck!
Thanks for the advise, this current state should prove to be very short lived and obviously unsustainable. I was trying to highlight that in my post. I will at least be maintaining lean mass based on how much I exercise though. Would have like to take in a bit more protein looking at the numbers.0 -
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You may feel fine now, but I certainly wouldn't make a habit of it. Your car doesn't like running on fumes and neither will your body. And while you may see scale numbers go down (which you say you don't care about), you can say goodbye to lean muscle right along with any fat you may lose.
Just because you ate a bunch of "filling food" that was low cal and you don't feel hungry at the moment doesn't mean it was adequate fuel for your body. If you really want to do this for life, start practicing proper eating NOW - not after you've lost your lean body mass, screwed up your metabolism and hormones.
Negative net cals is no bueno. :noway: I'll stick with never netting below my BMR (1400), taking a small cut from TDEE and never having to worry about being under-fueled for workouts or life in general, let alone light-headed or faint. Hit goal weight eating this way and have kept it off for over 2 years. :drinker: Lost the fat, kept the muscle.
Good luck!
QFT! Couldn't have said it better!0 -
Yeah, it is possible - I eat around 2000 calories a day - pizza, burgers, beer, ice cream, donuts - and I have lost the weight and kept it off.
So why are you going with negative net cals? :huh:
Do you actually eat that every day? You should probably go to the doctor soon... to quote what you just told me, you might feel fine, but you could be headed for disaster.0 -
You may feel fine now, but I certainly wouldn't make a habit of it. Your car doesn't like running on fumes and neither will your body. And while you may see scale numbers go down (which you say you don't care about), you can say goodbye to lean muscle right along with any fat you may lose.
Just because you ate a bunch of "filling food" that was low cal and you don't feel hungry at the moment doesn't mean it was adequate fuel for your body. If you really want to do this for life, start practicing proper eating NOW - not after you've lost your lean body mass, screwed up your metabolism and hormones.
Negative net cals is no bueno. :noway: I'll stick with never netting below my BMR (1400), taking a small cut from TDEE and never having to worry about being under-fueled for workouts or life in general, let alone light-headed or faint. Hit goal weight eating this way and have kept it off for over 2 years. :drinker: Lost the fat, kept the muscle.
Good luck!
QFT! Couldn't have said it better!
Do you "QFT" eating "pizza, burgers, beer, ice cream, donuts" all the time? That sounds like a great idea.0 -
Do i eat 2000 cals every day, or pizza, burgers, etc?Yeah, it is possible - I eat around 2000 calories a day - pizza, burgers, beer, ice cream, donuts - and I have lost the weight and kept it off.
So why are you going with negative net cals? :huh:
Do you actually eat that every day? You should probably go to the doctor soon... to quote what you just told me, you might feel fine, but you could be headed for disaster.
The cals, yes, or close to it, sometimes more than that. And no of course I don't eat those foods daily, but often - burgers probably at least once a week. Diary is open, feel free to have a look. Real food, all the time, plenty of cals, but still in a deficit so I don't gain.
No disasters. :drinker:0 -
Like I said - these things all show up in my diary on a regular basis, some weekly, some a couple of times a month, but yes, I still eat those foods. So yes, QFT applies. Calories in, calories out.You may feel fine now, but I certainly wouldn't make a habit of it. Your car doesn't like running on fumes and neither will your body. And while you may see scale numbers go down (which you say you don't care about), you can say goodbye to lean muscle right along with any fat you may lose.
Just because you ate a bunch of "filling food" that was low cal and you don't feel hungry at the moment doesn't mean it was adequate fuel for your body. If you really want to do this for life, start practicing proper eating NOW - not after you've lost your lean body mass, screwed up your metabolism and hormones.
Negative net cals is no bueno. :noway: I'll stick with never netting below my BMR (1400), taking a small cut from TDEE and never having to worry about being under-fueled for workouts or life in general, let alone light-headed or faint. Hit goal weight eating this way and have kept it off for over 2 years. :drinker: Lost the fat, kept the muscle.
Good luck!
QFT! Couldn't have said it better!
Do you "QFT" eating "pizza, burgers, beer, ice cream, donuts" all the time? That sounds like a great idea.0 -
OH sorry I thought you meant you eat that every day. I was like say waaaaaaa? For sure on the weekends I have a few beers and whatnot, in fact I am interested to see how that is going to go down on my calories in. I figure if I can get through a few weeks of just the weekdays at various amount under my goal and drop a bunch of pounds while still exercising daily and feeling good I should ride that train. Knowing my stop is coming soon. I just thought it would be nice for people starting out to understand that the first few weeks can be crazy. I just don't see a big problem with it if you understand what is going on.0
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You may feel fine now, but I certainly wouldn't make a habit of it. Your car doesn't like running on fumes and neither will your body. And while you may see scale numbers go down (which you say you don't care about), you can say goodbye to lean muscle right along with any fat you may lose.
Just because you ate a bunch of "filling food" that was low cal and you don't feel hungry at the moment doesn't mean it was adequate fuel for your body. If you really want to do this for life, start practicing proper eating NOW - not after you've lost your lean body mass, screwed up your metabolism and hormones.
Negative net cals is no bueno. :noway: I'll stick with never netting below my BMR (1400), taking a small cut from TDEE and never having to worry about being under-fueled for workouts or life in general, let alone light-headed or faint. Hit goal weight eating this way and have kept it off for over 2 years. :drinker: Lost the fat, kept the muscle.
Good luck!
Thanks for the advise, this current state should prove to be very short lived and obviously unsustainable. I was trying to highlight that in my post. I will at least be maintaining lean mass based on how much I exercise though. Would have like to take in a bit more protein looking at the numbers.
"Heavy cardio" (your words) will not be helpful in maintaining lean mass, quite the opposite. Only heavy lifting would help you there, but not enough to balance the negative of your heavy cardio.
ETA: Being barely overweight will also work against you in terms of keeping lean mass on an excessive deficit.0 -
OH sorry I thought you meant you eat that every day. I was like say waaaaaaa? For sure on the weekends I have a few beers and whatnot, in fact I am interested to see how that is going to go down on my calories in. I figure if I can get through a few weeks of just the weekdays at various amount under my goal and drop a bunch of pounds while still exercising daily and feeling good I should ride that train. Knowing my stop is coming soon. I just thought it would be nice for people starting out to understand that the first few weeks can be crazy. I just don't see a big problem with it if you understand what is going on.
Losing weight fast almost guarantees losing muscle mass. Pushing your body until it forces you to stop is just not a good idea and a dangerous message to give to people just starting out. If you lose weight the first couple of weeks by exercising too much and eating way to little, you will just gain it all back when you hit the wall. This is how you start a cycle of yo-yo dieting. And for some, this is how you start to develop an ED.
There is no reason to go to such extremes. Just figure out a healthy calorie goal to lose a lb a week, enjoy your food, stay fit with exercise, and lose the weight in a healthy manner that you can maintain for the rest of your life.0 -
Are you getting your exercise calories from the MFP database?0
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Seconding the "where do you get your exercise burns from" question. I would need to run at least a half marathon to burn 1400 calories. Are you doing that every day?0
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I;m gonna play "devils advocate" here.....and say that you're "calories burned" are likely inaccurate
The machines at the gyms, the various heart rate monitors, even MFP itself.....are only based on averages......I've seen some crazy variations under my own circumstances
What I've started doing, after I do my cardio session, I take the "average" of my MFP reading, the machine reading, and my HRM reading.....
Then I log this number (round to the nearest whole number.....) - makes for a good estimate Now as far as Fitbit goes....can't help yas there for those that use it, since I personally don't have one and don;t know how it's updates sync. 0 -
So good thing is you are probably eating more than you think, and not burning as much as you think. Your diary you use generic entries, cup measurements.
How many miles is your commute on the bike? A daily burn of 1000 calories + on your bike ride I have a hard time believing.
Now next question why is a 30 year old male with less than 20 lbs to lose eating 1410 calories???
I'm 13 years older than you, female, and normally I eat 1600-1900 calories and have lost a little weight
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal
Read these links they will help.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1234699-logging-accurately-step-by-step-guide?hl=logging+step+guide
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1235566-so-you-re-new-here?hl=so+you're+new+here
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
Good luck
ETA: Forgot the links, I shouldn't comment while on my 1st cup of coffee.0 -
So good thing is you are probably eating more than you think, and not burning as much as you think. Your diary you use generic entries, cup measurements.
How many miles is your commute on the bike? A daily burn of 1000 calories + on your bike ride I have a hard time believing.
Now next question why is a 30 year old male with less than 20 lbs to lose eating 1410 calories???
I'm 13 years older than you, female, and normally I eat 1600-1900 calories and have lost a little weight
If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal
If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal
If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal
If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal
If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal
Read these links they will help.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1234699-logging-accurately-step-by-step-guide?hl=logging+step+guide
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1235566-so-you-re-new-here?hl=so+you're+new+here
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1080242-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
Good luck
ETA: Forgot the links, I shouldn't comment while on my 1st cup of coffee.
all of this...and to the person who said if you feel fine go for it...No Just No0 -
I regularly burn about 1200-1400 daily on my 12 mile bicycle commute (so 24mile round trip - 700 cals each way).
I know the car is king and all, but if more of us moved to bicycles for commuting (even for a couple of days a week) the "obesity epidemic" wouldn't be such big news.
As for going to bed on a negative, as long as your diet is healthy and balanced I wouldn't worry too much (otherwise we would never lose weight would we?). Diet's not just about calories is it? Its also about the nutritional value of your food as well (If I were to make a (bad?) car analogy think of calories as the fuel to get you around, but the nutrition as the oil and all those extra fuel additives that help keep everything clean and running smoothly, your body is no different, we could all eat 2000-2500 cals of butter everyday but I doubt you would be too healthy for it after a week or so)0 -
You seem to be a young(ish) man with a young family.
I'm going to tell you straight: Get your **** together.
Eat properly to sustain the level of activity you are undertaking. Presumably you have people who rely on you. Be reliable.
Putting your health at risk to lose some vanity pounds is bollocks. Do it right. Do it for good.
Oh, and if your goal is to be a triathlete - good luck sustaining a long term training programme without adequate fuel.0 -
Due to heavy cardio and low calorie but filling food and a ton of water (13 cups today), I am going to go to bed not hungry at all at -28 net calories - probably less considering that even though I sit at a desk for 9.5 hours a day - and therefore set my activity level to sedentary, I was actually quite active over all... +300 net yesterday same thing. Felt totally fine today.
I know this is a "noob" thing to do, but I'm not too worried because I feel good. I'm definitely going to gradually up the calories to recommended numbers, but for now I am taking advantage of my noobiness as long as I'm not feeling light headed or weak. Most of us including myself have done this and slowly gone back up, and down, and up, and down, and up.... and? But with the help of this website I honestly just can't wait to get to my goal weight so I can switch to a maintenance lifestyle and see where that takes me. This is key for my success. I'm not focused on the number on the scale, I just want to get down 20 lbs. or so and start from there, until I get there it is just 100% noob style.
Embrace the super motivated noob, but just make it a quick hug. Don't think of reaching your goal weight as the journey, think of the rest of your life after you get to that goal the journey. These are two completely different things.
Caution - This isn't the same as only consuming 300 calories with no exercise... or eating some celery and no exercise for -28 net. I ate a lot of food both days, a lot of good filling food at each meal, no garbage empty calorie stuff.
Thanks for reading.
You may feel fine, now, but this sets you up for a bad cycle. You'll feel fine for a week or two, possibly even great, going strong, and then all of a sudden you'll start to have cravings. . . possibly even a binge or mini binge. . . then you'll feel guilty, bad, and restrict even more or workout more to "make up for it". That cycle is hard to stop once it's started. Been there, done that. Be very careful.0 -
I wouldn't worry about a one-time occurrence. Take it easy today though!0
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I regularly burn about 1200-1400 daily on my 12 mile bicycle commute (so 24mile round trip - 700 cals each way).
I know the car is king and all, but if more of us moved to bicycles for commuting (even for a couple of days a week) the "obesity epidemic" wouldn't be such big news.
As for going to bed on a negative, as long as your diet is healthy and balanced I wouldn't worry too much (otherwise we would never lose weight would we?). Diet's not just about calories is it? Its also about the nutritional value of your food as well (If I were to make a (bad?) car analogy think of calories as the fuel to get you around, but the nutrition as the oil and all those extra fuel additives that help keep everything clean and running smoothly, your body is no different, we could all eat 2000-2500 cals of butter everyday but I doubt you would be too healthy for it after a week or so)
Hey cycling commuter pal.
I would say bike is king, not car. It is so relaxing riding along the river to and from work - 32 kms (6 kms of which are on road since I don't live in a van down by the river, nor do I work on the river, so about 20 miles a day riding. Every morning I see deer, rabbits, toads, skunks, groundhogs, raccoons, squirrels, birds, the river, other people getting after it... all along the river. I am pretty sure my 1000 calorie burn is accurate on the daily cycle - it is a heavy-ish mountain bike too with a heavy backpack. Which is very significant for calorie burn vs. a road bike and no added weight. This also involves a section of interval training at least in the morning.
In the last 2 months I've gone from being able to do 17 pushups to 30 and 1.5 chin ups to 10. This is a good feeling.
Even if I ate all my MFP recommended calories the last couple days my muscles would still feel tired. Saturday is my rest day. Throw in a couple 20-30 minute high tempo swims and some good filling food and I feel great. If I wasn't logging stuff on here I could have easily done this and not thought twice about it because I was never hungry other than when I woke up. I also don't think my food log is off by much for those who assume it is, I cook and bake a lot and did well with math in school. I didn't log a small piece of chocolate the other night, but last night I logged the half slice of pizza my son didn't finish... haha0 -
Your exercise calorie burns look very exaggerated. 80 mins. of biking at 1025 calories = 13 calories an hour. According to METs values, I burn about half that.
https://sites.google.com/site/compendiumofphysicalactivities/Activity-Categories/bicycling
Pick your cycling speed/style and multiply the value times your BMR per minute to get an estimate for you.0 -
Your exercise calorie burns look very exaggerated. 80 mins. of biking at 1025 calories = 13 calories an hour. According to METs values, I burn about half that.
https://sites.google.com/site/compendiumofphysicalactivities/Activity-Categories/bicycling
Pick your cycling speed/style and multiply the value times your BMR per minute to get an estimate for you.
Thanks for the help, what is the best way to calculate my BMR?0 -
Google up a Mifflin St. Jeor BMR calculator and enter your info. Divide the value by 24 to get hourly BMR, then by 60 to get per minute BMR. (Or by 1440 from the daily BMR to get per minute since that's 24X60.) Multiply the METs value in the table by the per minute BMR. Multiply that 'calories per minute' value by your minutes exercising to get a value to compare to MFP's estimate.0
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Google up a Mifflin St. Jeor BMR calculator and enter your info. Divide the value by 24 to get hourly BMR, then by 60 to get per minute BMR. (Or by 1440 from the daily BMR to get per minute since that's 24X60.) Multiply the METs value in the table by the per minute BMR. Multiply that 'calories per minute' value by your minutes exercising to get a value to compare to MFP's estimate.
BMR is 1960, riding to and from work takes on average 80 minutes depending mostly on wind direction and speed. Today was 45 minute ride in the morning.
(1960/1440) = 1.36 BMR/min.
1.36 X 8.5 MET X 80 minutes = 924 calories per day.
8.5 MET based on "bicycling, 12 mph, seated, hands on brake hoods or bar drops", this does not account for interval training and it also doesn't account for a 10 lb. backpack. So I think the 1000 calories is close enough.
Thanks.0 -
Google up a Mifflin St. Jeor BMR calculator and enter your info. Divide the value by 24 to get hourly BMR, then by 60 to get per minute BMR. (Or by 1440 from the daily BMR to get per minute since that's 24X60.) Multiply the METs value in the table by the per minute BMR. Multiply that 'calories per minute' value by your minutes exercising to get a value to compare to MFP's estimate.
BMR is 1960, riding to and from work takes on average 80 minutes depending mostly on wind direction and speed. Today was 45 minute ride in the morning.
(1960/1440) = 1.36 BMR/min.
1.36 X 8.5 MET X 80 minutes = 924 calories per day.
8.5 MET based on "bicycling, 12 mph, seated, hands on brake hoods or bar drops", this does not account for interval training and it also doesn't account for a 10 lb. backpack. So I think the 1000 calories is close enough.
Thanks.
Actually I guess if I do 10 miles in 40 minutes that is more like an MET of 10 (on a road bike with no backpack) because that is 15 mph.
So ACTUALLY my calorie burn is 1088, not 1025...
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Are you getting your exercise calories from the MFP database?
I am and it turns out it is actually lower than what I am actually burning - at least for my daily 20 mile ride.0 -
Your BMR is 1960 and you have 17 lbs. to lose? Must be nice.
Sorry to waste your time with some estimate sanity checking! :happy:
If you subtract one from the multiplier it'll give you your net burn, or will subtract out what you burn during that time regardless of what you do. It's not a big deal until you're exercising hours a day then it adds up. 4 hours of exercise includes 300+ calories you would've burned sitting home on the couch.0
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