Why you SHOULDN'T count calories
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Calories are a unit of measurement, so yes they are equal.the way i see it is that not all calories are created equal, it is not the same to eat fat from olive oil or processed disgusting transfats, it's not the same to eat a raw- vegan cake made with organic natural ingredients and to eat choclate cake made with bleaches flour, refined sugar, etc even if it's the same number of calories, the key thing here is how does your body use and process different foods.
calories are not the whole story,the nutritional content affects everything from digestion, to hormone production to energy levels.0 -
I counted calories from the time I was in grade school til the time I was 39 and I always struggled with binging and my weight. I ate crap and didn't provide myself with the nutrients I needed. I thought low-fat, lower cal processed convenience foods were my friends.
Turns out I should have just been moving more and eating real food. I can easily maintain my weight now that I gave up counting calories.
Seems the tide is starting to turn regarding on "A calorie is a calorie" versus a focus on the composition of our diets:
http://time.com/2988142/you-asked-are-all-calories-created-equal/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/09/01/344315405/cutting-back-on-carbs-not-fat-may-lead-to-more-weight-loss
So, at this point, I pretty much think calorie counting is bro-science and it seems real science is starting to support my opinion.
"Then why are you on a calorie-counting web site?" is always the next question. I'm on here because it's called "Myfitnesspal" and I used it to track my exercise and connect with other people with similar fitness interests (powerlifters, crossfitters, trail runners, etc.). I do believe macros are important, and I track them using MFP when I need to. I've lost 8% body fat this year and have stayed the same weight essentially by lifting heavy and adjusting/tracking my macros.0 -
$16 on Amazon could probably buy me some reeeally cute kitty ears with bells.0
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I counted calories from the time I was in grade school til the time I was 39 and I always struggled with binging and my weight. I ate crap and didn't provide myself with the nutrients I needed. I thought low-fat, lower cal processed convenience foods were my friend.
Turns out I should have just been moving more and eating real food. I can easily maintain my weight now that I gave up counting calories.
Seems the tide is starting to turn regarding on "A calorie is a calorie" versus a focus on the composition of our diets:
http://time.com/2988142/you-asked-are-all-calories-created-equal/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/09/01/344315405/cutting-back-on-carbs-not-fat-may-lead-to-more-weight-loss
So, at this point, I pretty much think calorie counting is bro-science and it seems real science is starting to support my opinion.
"Then why are you on a calorie-counting web site?" is always the next question. I'm on here because it's called "Myfitnesspal" and I used it to track my exercise and connect with other people with similar fitness interests (powerlifters, crossfitters, trail runners, etc.).
The problem I have with the bold is the word "versus". This implies that it is an either/or scenario and it most certainly is not.
Additionally, calories were not held equal in the study referenced in the npr link -- at least that's my recollection when I looked at this, so the study they reference (again, IIRC -- I'll take a closer look when I get back to my desk) is laughable as a means to compare differing macronutrients when calories are held constant.0 -
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I'd rather not pay the $16 on Amazon for food fear mongering. I'd rather you just pass along a link or two to her sources and I (we) can go from there.
Now, you're asking for too much my good sir. I already killed so much time responding, now you're asking me to get up and dig through my book shelf for this book and provide you with a link. I'd rather just sit here and eat ice cream while watching extreme weight loss. LOL! :blushing:
Anywho, I gave you all my source of information as to why regular soda is better than diet soda. That should be good enough. I should not have to do additional research now. I know from experience that it's no good for me. No need for me to dig further. If you would like proof and it's burning you inside, it's your job to dig. That's all I'm saying. You can't knock me for that!
You didn't provide evidence. You basically said some lady wrote a book and that she has the evidence. In fact, no. It's your job to dig. Then someone else gets to evaluate and counter. You don't get to wave your hands flippantly in a direction and make assumptions.
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I counted calories from the time I was in grade school til the time I was 39 and I always struggled with binging and my weight. I ate crap and didn't provide myself with the nutrients I needed. I thought low-fat, lower cal processed convenience foods were my friend.
Turns out I should have just been moving more and eating real food. I can easily maintain my weight now that I gave up counting calories.
Seems the tide is starting to turn regarding on "A calorie is a calorie" versus a focus on the composition of our diets:
http://time.com/2988142/you-asked-are-all-calories-created-equal/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/09/01/344315405/cutting-back-on-carbs-not-fat-may-lead-to-more-weight-loss
So, at this point, I pretty much think calorie counting is bro-science and it seems real science is starting to support my opinion.
"Then why are you on a calorie-counting web site?" is always the next question. I'm on here because it's called "Myfitnesspal" and I used it to track my exercise and connect with other people with similar fitness interests (powerlifters, crossfitters, trail runners, etc.).
The problem I have with the bold is the word "versus". This implies that it is an either/or scenario and it most certainly is not.
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Then eat 10,000 calories a day of your "approved" foods and tell me you don't gain weight. In the end it always comes down to calories and THEN macros. The link I posted earlier had plenty of people who ate clean without counting calories and still gained a lot of weight.I counted calories from the time I was in grade school til the time I was 39 and I always struggled with binging and my weight. I ate crap and didn't provide myself with the nutrients I needed. I thought low-fat, lower cal processed convenience foods were my friends.
Turns out I should have just been moving more and eating real food. I can easily maintain my weight now that I gave up counting calories.
Seems the tide is starting to turn regarding on "A calorie is a calorie" versus a focus on the composition of our diets:
http://time.com/2988142/you-asked-are-all-calories-created-equal/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/09/01/344315405/cutting-back-on-carbs-not-fat-may-lead-to-more-weight-loss
So, at this point, I pretty much think calorie counting is bro-science and it seems real science is starting to support my opinion.
"Then why are you on a calorie-counting web site?" is always the next question. I'm on here because it's called "Myfitnesspal" and I used it to track my exercise and connect with other people with similar fitness interests (powerlifters, crossfitters, trail runners, etc.). I do believe macros are important, and I track them using MFP when I need to. I've lost 8% body fat this year and have stayed the same weight essentially by lifting heavy and adjusting/tracking my macros.0 -
Let's be real honest here, the folks who begged for links wanted to see her fall. You did not politely and genuinely want to learn from her source, you wanted blood. Stop kidding around. If she provided you with a link, you would have told her that she doesn't have a credible source. How are you so sure that you're source is providing the full truth? They're probably funded by diet soda companies and sugar-free gum companies attempting to prove it's OK and will not kill you right away.
You realize the person you are defending spent the last few days making posts saying that dairy is bad for you, you cannot lose weight if you eat dairy, if you do lose weight while eating dairy it is not "ideal" weight loss (no definition provided as to what that even means), and that if you eat dairy, you are not in optimal health (again no definition provided)? She also stated that people who eat meat are less healthy than vegans. It's not like people saw someone question their diet soda and went for the jugular.
No, I don't know her history on MFP. I saw someone who gave very little explanation as to why something was bad and jumped in. I thought it was unfortunate that she heard something and could not explain her position, a position that I agree with. This tends to happen a lot. We hear why something is bad, but the only thing that sticks in our minds is that it's bad and not the reasoning behind it. Hey, we're human. As for her older posts, I had no prior knowledge of them nor do I agree with them (from what you just wrote). Since I am primal/paleo.. we eat lots of meat haha!0 -
because there are hazardous chemicals in it lol is this a real question? i highly suggest you do some research on 0 cal chemical storms that people put into there bodies, i should add it depends where you live as well as some ingrediants are banned in other countries so for example if your in europe then it was be as bad as if your in america
Sigh, ok, how is it worse for your health, assuming you are meeting your nutrient goals?i semi count calories but you are right a 0cal diet coke is worse than a 150cal smoothie people get way to into the calorie counting and ignore over all nutrition its a tricky balence sometimes
Worse in what way?
For your over all health as well as weightloss
You'll find this topic highly debated here. And many don't find any of the research that says that carbonated beverages, or artificial sweeteners, are harmful to have much merit.
So yes, it's a real question. The assumption that diet soda is harmful is closer to superstition than science.
They did do a wonderful study feeding one group of rats diet soda, and another group regular soda. The diet soda group became obese at a faster rate than the regular soda rats and ate more. The theory was that insulin was released in expectation of sugar that never arrived, causing the rats to overeat (probably balancing blood sugar levels).
The flaw in this study was that the rats weren't given access to MFP to track calories, obviously.
Also, on a very different note, aspartame is one of the most studied food chemicals and so far it has been found safe for human consumption, or we probably wouldn't be debating how harmful it is after all these years...
So bottom line, it won't kill you, but I'm not convinced it will make you skinny either
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I'd rather not pay the $16 on Amazon for food fear mongering. I'd rather you just pass along a link or two to her sources and I (we) can go from there.
Now, you're asking for too much my good sir. I already killed so much time responding, now you're asking me to get up and dig through my book shelf for this book and provide you with a link. I'd rather just sit here and eat ice cream while watching extreme weight loss. LOL! :blushing:
Anywho, I gave you all my source of information as to why regular soda is better than diet soda. That should be good enough. I should not have to do additional research now. I know from experience that it's no good for me. No need for me to dig further. If you would like proof and it's burning you inside, it's your job to dig. That's all I'm saying. You can't knock me for that!
You didn't provide evidence. You basically said some lady wrote a book and that she has the evidence. In fact, no. It's your job to dig. Then someone else gets to evaluate and counter. You don't get to wave your hands flippantly in a direction and make assumptions.
EDTI: I will, however, fix your quote tags for you. You're welcome.
I do not agree. It is not my job to look for anything. When I read the book a few years ago, I wanted to know more and did additional research and not only read up on it but used how I felt to come to a conclusion. I was actually seeing a neurologist for brain fog and memory loss and wondering why my world was crumpling. I did the research for myself and my own individual case. If you want to know whether or not something is for you.. you should take what the poster says and run with it. That's what I would do. If I saw a forum post and you felt strongly about something that I'm unsure of, I would go digging for more answers elsewhere. If you provide your source, good for you.. but I'd also like to find some info on it else where and read up on the differing opinions on the topic and then formulate my own conclusion. I don't ask you to do the work for me. Only if you want to. :happy:0 -
...and you both have failed to show evidence for your position. Your claim, your burden of evidence.
No, I don't know her history on MFP. I saw someone who gave very little explanation as to why something was bad and jumped in. I thought it was unfortunate that she heard something and could not explain her position, a position that I agree with. This tends to happen a lot. We hear why something is bad, but the only thing that sticks in our minds is that it's bad and not the reasoning behind it. Hey, we're human. As for her older posts, I had no prior knowledge of them nor do I agree with them (from what you just wrote). Since I am primal/paleo.. we eat lots of meat haha!
Hearing something is bad and accepting it without any peer reviewed studies is the exact opposite of critical thinking and the reason that myths prevail in the nutrition industry (among others).0 -
holy crap i cant believe i just took half hour out of my day to read these comments. LMAO. Love MFP and the debates...which is honestly a little bit like bullying but I understand why ya'll are doing it. Go team!0
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Let's be real honest here, the folks who begged for links wanted to see her fall. You did not politely and genuinely want to learn from her source, you wanted blood. Stop kidding around. If she provided you with a link, you would have told her that she doesn't have a credible source. How are you so sure that you're source is providing the full truth? They're probably funded by diet soda companies and sugar-free gum companies attempting to prove it's OK and will not kill you right away.
I actually did politely ask her for a source and she has not put up a single one yet. Neither have you. An actual link to a proper study supporting your assertions.0 -
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lol people are very defensive of their diet sodas lmao no ones taking them away just pointing out how unhealthy they are you are still free to drink them calm your hormones
Please back this statement up with peer reviewed evidence.
Links...
What's wrong with you people?! Read a health book, please! I'm randomly jumping in here to stop the slaughter of the person who mentioned that diet soda is bad. My explanation will come from memory of books I have read that have, yes, cited their sources. Why is a cup of regular coke better than diet coke? It's better because it does not contain harmful sugar substitutes that is in it's zero calorie counterpart. Example of a harmful sugar substitute, you ask? Sure! ASPARTAME.
Aspartame is bad for you and don't listen to anyone who tells you otherwise and hell yes, it is bad for you in any quantity. I don't even chew the bull sugar-free gum anymore and guess what?! Less gas, bloating, brain fog, diarrhea and all gone by eliminating gum with sorbitol and aspartame. How much you drink or chew will just slow down or speed up the "harmful" process. Aspartame, like MSG (everyone is afraid of MSG but not aspartame I see), is an exotoxin. Exotoxins cause degenerative effects on the brain and nervous system. It's effects are cumulative. You may feel fine at first, but will then notice neurological issues such as headaches, brain fog and early signs of dementia. Do you really want to suffer through that (if you aren't already) just because you want to save a few cals. How about don't drink it at all.. or save it for a special occasion to indulge in junk. Hey, we're human.. we like junk sometimes.. just throw away the "diet junk."
For the person who mentioned diet stuff is bad, it is helpful to know why before mentioning it on a controversial thread such as this one because there are jerks out there that will try to stomp on you and make you feel stupid. By yelling show a link blah blah blah.. they are trying to bury you. Just try to know at least some of the facts first. Diet soda is harmful towards your overall health.. I don't see how exactly it may hinder weight loss though. Just because you lose weight though, doesn't mean it's healthy.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1308408-why-aspartame-isn-t-scary
The reason people ask for links is to prove what you're spewing
hasn't been proven. Can you provide one of the sources, I mean it is pertinent to the conversation.mentioned that diet soda is bad. My explanation will
One of my favorite books is the Truth About Beauty by Kat James. She cites all of her sources in that book (which include case studies not articles written by people with no credibility). It's a great read and you are free to purchase on amazon, if you like. There are also a ton of other books out there.
Aside from that, put down the diet soda for some time and stop chewing sugar free gum and watch the magic. It's all about how YOUR body responds to things. Again, I dropped the gum containing sorbitol and aspartame and I have not had the scary brain fog symptoms, gas, bloating and diarrhea. Try it and see.
I'm happy that you found something that works for you personally. But that's one single data point. We call that 'anecdotal evidence'. It can't be extrapolated to form a working theory for the public at large.
Over the past 24 months, under a calorie controlled diet, I have -
gone through periods of strict sugar and artificial sweetener restriction.
gone through periods of consuming artificial sweeteners, while restricting sugar.
gone through periods of consuming no artificial sweeteners, but eating significant amounts of sugar due to heavy training load.
gone through periods of eating both sugar and artificial sweeteners in moderation while training in moderation.
Mentally and physically, I felt precisely the same during all periods, adjusted for obvious physical stresses caused by training. At no point did I experience 'mental fog' or any sort of negative performance that could be traced to sweetener. My body responded precisely as predicted to all stimulus, through all phases. Calorie deficits led to weight loss. Calorie surplus led to weight gain. Resistance training increased strength and muscle mass. Endurance training increased my aerobic and anaerobic thresholds.
This, too, is of course also purely anecdotal and doesn't form a theory for the public at large. I present it merely as a means of demonstrating that you can't take your experiences and then try to force them down other's throats as absolute truth.
Thanks for sharing your experience and good point! I should not have said that. We are all different. What shows up negatively for me, may show no ill effects on you. I am just very passionate about what I consider junk food and what has caused me problems in the past. I'm tired of hearing something is OK if it doesn't kill you, but we fail to pay attention to things that don't kill you fast but keep you from being healthy.0 -
holy crap i cant believe i just took half hour out of my day to read these comments. LMAO. Love MFP and the debates...which is honestly a little bit like bullying but I understand why ya'll are doing it. Go team!
It legit is cyber bullying and it's honestly stupid. It's like a bunch of kids that feel big and bad because they've got numbers. Numbers don't mean they're right. Why couldn't folks just say, "interesting stance! Let's go find out more." No, they came with rocks to throw. It's a shame in my opinion. Whether or not this original girl who mentioned diet soda is nuts, I don't think it was fair to jump on her for her opinion. Help not hurt. I'm a firm believer of that.0 -
holy crap i cant believe i just took half hour out of my day to read these comments. LMAO. Love MFP and the debates...which is honestly a little bit like bullying but I understand why ya'll are doing it. Go team!
It legit is cyber bullying and it's honestly stupid. It's like a bunch of kids that feel big and bad because they've got numbers. Numbers don't mean they're right. Why couldn't folks just say, "interesting stance! Let's go find out more." No, they came with rocks to throw. It's a shame in my opinion. Whether or not this original girl who mentioned diet soda is nuts, I don't think it was fair to jump on her for her opinion. Help not hurt. I'm a firm believer of that.
People are free to leave a topic or x out of the internet completely. They are also able to ignore users and bypass comments. So no, this is not bullying. You can also check out the definition of cyberbullying and see that this is also not what you are calling "Legit Cyberbullying".0 -
lol people are very defensive of their diet sodas lmao no ones taking them away just pointing out how unhealthy they are you are still free to drink them calm your hormones
Please back this statement up with peer reviewed evidence.
Links...
What's wrong with you people?! Read a health book, please! I'm randomly jumping in here to stop the slaughter of the person who mentioned that diet soda is bad. My explanation will come from memory of books I have read that have, yes, cited their sources. Why is a cup of regular coke better than diet coke? It's better because it does not contain harmful sugar substitutes that is in it's zero calorie counterpart. Example of a harmful sugar substitute, you ask? Sure! ASPARTAME.
Aspartame is bad for you and don't listen to anyone who tells you otherwise and hell yes, it is bad for you in any quantity. I don't even chew the bull sugar-free gum anymore and guess what?! Less gas, bloating, brain fog, diarrhea and all gone by eliminating gum with sorbitol and aspartame. How much you drink or chew will just slow down or speed up the "harmful" process. Aspartame, like MSG (everyone is afraid of MSG but not aspartame I see), is an exotoxin. Exotoxins cause degenerative effects on the brain and nervous system. It's effects are cumulative. You may feel fine at first, but will then notice neurological issues such as headaches, brain fog and early signs of dementia. Do you really want to suffer through that (if you aren't already) just because you want to save a few cals. How about don't drink it at all.. or save it for a special occasion to indulge in junk. Hey, we're human.. we like junk sometimes.. just throw away the "diet junk."
For the person who mentioned diet stuff is bad, it is helpful to know why before mentioning it on a controversial thread such as this one because there are jerks out there that will try to stomp on you and make you feel stupid. By yelling show a link blah blah blah.. they are trying to bury you. Just try to know at least some of the facts first. Diet soda is harmful towards your overall health.. I don't see how exactly it may hinder weight loss though. Just because you lose weight though, doesn't mean it's healthy.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1308408-why-aspartame-isn-t-scary
The reason people ask for links is to prove what you're spewing
hasn't been proven. Can you provide one of the sources, I mean it is pertinent to the conversation.mentioned that diet soda is bad. My explanation will
One of my favorite books is the Truth About Beauty by Kat James. She cites all of her sources in that book (which include case studies not articles written by people with no credibility). It's a great read and you are free to purchase on amazon, if you like. There are also a ton of other books out there.
Aside from that, put down the diet soda for some time and stop chewing sugar free gum and watch the magic. It's all about how YOUR body responds to things. Again, I dropped the gum containing sorbitol and aspartame and I have not had the scary brain fog symptoms, gas, bloating and diarrhea. Try it and see.
I'm happy that you found something that works for you personally. But that's one single data point. We call that 'anecdotal evidence'. It can't be extrapolated to form a working theory for the public at large.
Over the past 24 months, under a calorie controlled diet, I have -
gone through periods of strict sugar and artificial sweetener restriction.
gone through periods of consuming artificial sweeteners, while restricting sugar.
gone through periods of consuming no artificial sweeteners, but eating significant amounts of sugar due to heavy training load.
gone through periods of eating both sugar and artificial sweeteners in moderation while training in moderation.
Mentally and physically, I felt precisely the same during all periods, adjusted for obvious physical stresses caused by training. At no point did I experience 'mental fog' or any sort of negative performance that could be traced to sweetener. My body responded precisely as predicted to all stimulus, through all phases. Calorie deficits led to weight loss. Calorie surplus led to weight gain. Resistance training increased strength and muscle mass. Endurance training increased my aerobic and anaerobic thresholds.
This, too, is of course also purely anecdotal and doesn't form a theory for the public at large. I present it merely as a means of demonstrating that you can't take your experiences and then try to force them down other's throats as absolute truth.
Thanks for sharing your experience and good point! I should not have said that. We are all different. What shows up negatively for me, may show no ill effects on you. I am just very passionate about what I consider junk food and what has caused me problems in the past. I'm tired of hearing something is OK if it doesn't kill you, but we fail to pay attention to things that don't kill you fast but keep you from being healthy.
Which I think is a personally reasonable, and respectable choice for an individual to make.
Where people start to get offended is when criticism is made of their diets, and comparisons are made claiming they are less healthy. Things like 'vegans are more healthy' are presented as absolute truth, when it's far from it.
I eat IIFYM. I get plenty of veges, fiber, fruit, lean meats, etc... I also eat pizza, burgers, hot dogs, ice cream, cake and cookies when the desire takes me and I can fit it within the constraints of a balanced diet.
My blood tests put me in the healthy ranges for everything. My resting heart rate dips to 47bpm when my training peaks for an event. I did an Olympic distance triathlon this year (swim 1.5km, cycle 40km, run 10km). I lift weights and get stronger every month, even while endurance training. I'll run (then cycle, then swim) rings around most people you care to point out, vegan, vegetarian, meat eater, paleo or any other diet you care to mention.
I'm not unhealthy just because I eat cheeseburgers, sugar and artificial sweeteners on occasion.0 -
Let's be real honest here, the folks who begged for links wanted to see her fall. You did not politely and genuinely want to learn from her source, you wanted blood. Stop kidding around. If she provided you with a link, you would have told her that she doesn't have a credible source. How are you so sure that you're source is providing the full truth? They're probably funded by diet soda companies and sugar-free gum companies attempting to prove it's OK and will not kill you right away.
I actually did politely ask her for a source and she has not put up a single one yet. Neither have you. An actual link to a proper study supporting your assertions.
I actually didn't even see your post. Don't assume I'm talking to everyone. And exactly.. be specific. You all asked for a link.. oh you were not specific. If she provided you with an article she read or something else. You'd then tell her that it's not a credible source. Come on.. now you want a "proper study" after I told everyone my source which cited her sources. I suggest you purchase the book and dig through the studies the author provided. You're asking for someone to dig through medical journals etc. I did my research more than 2 years ago. You want me to dig through this now? Listen here, if you don't agree, prove your own position and stop requesting my sources. I don't even know why I'm still on this thing on my only day off from work. Ugh! I should be relaxing not forcing myself to dig through case studies. Maybe I will grace you with a link next weekend because I do work.. 10-12 hour days on average. I'm wasting time arguing here.0 -
I think most people can get away with not counting calories if they stick to whole, unprocessed foods, especially if those foods are primarily plant based. I don't say that because I think you can get away with eating 6,000 calories of spinach daily and not gain weight. I say it because by sticking to unprocessed food, you're just not going to want to eat as much. Your calories will be limited by lack of desire for more of the same old boring stuff.0
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Let's be real honest here, the folks who begged for links wanted to see her fall. You did not politely and genuinely want to learn from her source, you wanted blood. Stop kidding around. If she provided you with a link, you would have told her that she doesn't have a credible source. How are you so sure that you're source is providing the full truth? They're probably funded by diet soda companies and sugar-free gum companies attempting to prove it's OK and will not kill you right away.
I actually did politely ask her for a source and she has not put up a single one yet. Neither have you. An actual link to a proper study supporting your assertions.
I actually didn't even see your post. Don't assume I'm talking to everyone. And exactly.. be specific. You all asked for a link.. oh you were not specific. If she provided you with an article she read or something else. You'd then tell her that it's not a credible source. Come on.. now you want a "proper study" after I told everyone my source which cited her sources. I suggest you purchase the book and dig through the studies the author provided. You're asking for someone to dig through medical journals etc. I did my research more than 2 years ago. You want me to dig through this now? Listen here, if you don't agree, prove your own position and stop requesting my sources. I don't even know why I'm still on this thing on my only day off from work. Ugh! I should be relaxing not forcing myself to dig through case studies. Maybe I will grace you with a link next weekend because I do work.. 10-12 hour days on average. I'm wasting time arguing here.
I will provide as many sources as you have.
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Thanks for sharing your experience and good point! I should not have said that. We are all different. What shows up negatively for me, may show no ill effects on you. I am just very passionate about what I consider junk food and what has caused me problems in the past. I'm tired of hearing something is OK if it doesn't kill you, but we fail to pay attention to things that don't kill you fast but keep you from being healthy.
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Which I think is a personally reasonable, and respectable choice for an individual to make.
Where people start to get offended is when criticism is made of their diets, and comparisons are made claiming they are less healthy. Things like 'vegans are more healthy' are presented as absolute truth, when it's far from it.
I eat IIFYM. I get plenty of veges, fiber, fruit, lean meats, etc... I also eat pizza, burgers, hot dogs, ice cream, cake and cookies when the desire takes me and I can fit it within the constraints of a balanced diet.
My blood tests put me in the healthy ranges for everything. My resting heart rate dips to 47bpm when my training peaks for an event. I did an Olympic distance triathlon this year (swim 1.5km, cycle 40km, run 10km). I lift weights and get stronger every month, even while endurance training. I'll run (then cycle, then swim) rings around most people you care to point out, vegan, vegetarian, meat eater, paleo or any other diet you care to mention.
I'm not unhealthy just because I eat cheeseburgers, sugar and artificial sweeteners on occasion.
Cool, I understand. Though, I did not tell anyone that they could not eat or drink junk. Do I believe diet soda is bad, yes. Do I think if you have diet soda, sugar-free gum, deep fried foods, sugary treats on occasion, you'll die tomorrow, no. I still eat those things,though I do steer clear of diet soda and sugar-free gum because I need my brain and I don't want to risk going back to my memory loss days because they weren't fun and put my future at risk. I am more primal than paleo. I follow Mark Sisson's 80/20 rule, so I do get to enjoy some of those foods and they actually helped me when I plateaued a few times (weird). I still haven't done enough research on how junk foods can help break or prevent someone from plateauing. The key is definitely not overdoing it though. Like you said.. you're not unhealthy just because you eat those things on occasion.
I get how some people could get sensitive, but I guess I'm different. People knock the paleo/primal lifestyle all the time, but I don't go for blood. Everyone says bacon is bad, but I eat bacon quite often (all natural nitrate free bacon from Trader Joe's). If someone wanted to tell me that bacon will kill me, I'll ask why and then once I receive the answer I'll go ahead and do my own research and not only that see how I feel. Go to the doctor and check out my stats. If all is well, I'm good to go. Not yell WHERE'S YOUR PROOF?!?!?!? But that's just me. I do respect your opinion though. Thanks.0 -
I'd rather not pay the $16 on Amazon for food fear mongering. I'd rather you just pass along a link or two to her sources and I (we) can go from there.
Now, you're asking for too much my good sir. I already killed so much time responding, now you're asking me to get up and dig through my book shelf for this book and provide you with a link. I'd rather just sit here and eat ice cream while watching extreme weight loss. LOL! :blushing:
Anywho, I gave you all my source of information as to why regular soda is better than diet soda. That should be good enough. I should not have to do additional research now. I know from experience that it's no good for me. No need for me to dig further. If you would like proof and it's burning you inside, it's your job to dig. That's all I'm saying. You can't knock me for that!
You didn't provide evidence. You basically said some lady wrote a book and that she has the evidence. In fact, no. It's your job to dig. Then someone else gets to evaluate and counter. You don't get to wave your hands flippantly in a direction and make assumptions.
EDTI: I will, however, fix your quote tags for you. You're welcome.I do not agree. It is not my job to look for anything. When I read the book a few years ago, I wanted to know more and did additional research and not only read up on it but used how I felt to come to a conclusion. I was actually seeing a neurologist for brain fog and memory loss and wondering why my world was crumpling. I did the research for myself and my own individual case. If you want to know whether or not something is for you.. you should take what the poster says and run with it. That's what I would do. If I saw a forum post and you felt strongly about something that I'm unsure of, I would go digging for more answers elsewhere. If you provide your source, good for you.. but I'd also like to find some info on it else where and read up on the differing opinions on the topic and then formulate my own conclusion. I don't ask you to do the work for me. Only if you want to. :happy:
So I think a key point that you may be missing here, is that what you do when you see something that interests you is this, according to your statement above: you do additional research on it and read up on it and use how you feel to come to a conclusion. Now where you choose to accept your additional research from, may not be the most scientifically sound sources, if you are reading books on Amazon which are obviously targeting a particular group to convey a message and ultimately make a profit. But still, kudos to you for your efforts to do some additional research about what you read online before taking something at face value. There is a whole other group of people though, many of the casual forum readers, who DO NOT even go as far as you have to do additional research. Those people, take things they read online from casual internet posters as the gospel truth. They would read your story and your results, which is anecdotal evidence at best, and say, "this woman got rid of her brain fog because she cut out diet soda, so she's right, aspartame is bad for us, I can't ever drink a diet soda again"
The people who are questioning you, asking for the scientific studies from peer reviewed sources, are not asking you that because they need to do more research and they want you to do their homework for them. They've already done that. What they are trying to do is point out to the casual readers, that you don't have scientific studies to back up your claims, only anecdotal evidence, in the hopes that the casual reader DOES follow through and read the studies and realize that there is no scientific proof that Aspartame or other artificial sweeteners are harmful to your health. While you may see that as cyber bullying, I see that as being very helpful in trying to educate others by pointing out the logical fallacy in your reasoning.0 -
350 calories for just one smoothie? How about no lol. I could make a HUGE meal for 350 calories.0
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Let's be real honest here, the folks who begged for links wanted to see her fall. You did not politely and genuinely want to learn from her source, you wanted blood. Stop kidding around. If she provided you with a link, you would have told her that she doesn't have a credible source. How are you so sure that you're source is providing the full truth? They're probably funded by diet soda companies and sugar-free gum companies attempting to prove it's OK and will not kill you right away.
I actually did politely ask her for a source and she has not put up a single one yet. Neither have you. An actual link to a proper study supporting your assertions.
I actually didn't even see your post. Don't assume I'm talking to everyone. And exactly.. be specific. You all asked for a link.. oh you were not specific. If she provided you with an article she read or something else. You'd then tell her that it's not a credible source. Come on.. now you want a "proper study" after I told everyone my source which cited her sources. I suggest you purchase the book and dig through the studies the author provided. You're asking for someone to dig through medical journals etc. I did my research more than 2 years ago. You want me to dig through this now? Listen here, if you don't agree, prove your own position and stop requesting my sources. I don't even know why I'm still on this thing on my only day off from work. Ugh! I should be relaxing not forcing myself to dig through case studies. Maybe I will grace you with a link next weekend because I do work.. 10-12 hour days on average. I'm wasting time arguing here.
I will provide as many sources as you have.
So perhaps you should google my stance on this topic?
I don't see your point. You're coming for me. I'm not coming for you. If you're so passionate about providing proof, why don't you start? That's what I'm saying. I'm logging off now, you're free to provide all the links that you wish. Again, I will possibly look into this more on the weekend. I do find it interesting that you all are so sure it won't harm you. I do know from my personal experience it has done nothing but given me medical problems, but it's interesting what is out there to prove otherwise.0 -
Let's be real honest here, the folks who begged for links wanted to see her fall. You did not politely and genuinely want to learn from her source, you wanted blood. Stop kidding around. If she provided you with a link, you would have told her that she doesn't have a credible source. How are you so sure that you're source is providing the full truth? They're probably funded by diet soda companies and sugar-free gum companies attempting to prove it's OK and will not kill you right away.
I actually did politely ask her for a source and she has not put up a single one yet. Neither have you. An actual link to a proper study supporting your assertions.
I actually didn't even see your post. Don't assume I'm talking to everyone. And exactly.. be specific. You all asked for a link.. oh you were not specific. If she provided you with an article she read or something else. You'd then tell her that it's not a credible source. Come on.. now you want a "proper study" after I told everyone my source which cited her sources. I suggest you purchase the book and dig through the studies the author provided. You're asking for someone to dig through medical journals etc. I did my research more than 2 years ago. You want me to dig through this now? Listen here, if you don't agree, prove your own position and stop requesting my sources. I don't even know why I'm still on this thing on my only day off from work. Ugh! I should be relaxing not forcing myself to dig through case studies. Maybe I will grace you with a link next weekend because I do work.. 10-12 hour days on average. I'm wasting time arguing here.
I will provide as many sources as you have.
So perhaps you should google my stance on this topic?
I don't see your point. You're coming for me. I'm not coming for you. If you're so passionate about providing proof, why don't you start? That's what I'm saying. I'm logging off now, you're free to provide all the links that you wish. Again, I will possibly look into this more on the weekend. I do find it interesting that you all are so sure it won't harm you. I do know from my personal experience it has done nothing but given me medical problems, but it's interesting what is out there to prove otherwise.0 -
And that is how this usually ends.
No evidence for anything.0
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