The single biggest cause of male deaths...

That's very interesting. Funny, in the last year I've heard of people I know and know of killing themselves and they have all been men. I think there were about 5.

They were in 12-step programs, so I don't know if that has anything to do with it.

I am happy to revise the title of this thread (or ask a Mod to do so) to "one, if not the biggest cause of male deaths" if needs be and it draws people back to the underlying issue of why so many young men it seems are taking their own lives...

You don't need to do that. You started this thread with a charitable heart. Some people have nothing better to do than to detract from the issue.

Yeahbut .. "Noble lies" and misinformation detract from the issue too. Nobody is suggesting that it's not a serious issue. But you don't have to BS about the statistics to get peoples' attention. All that's going to do is cause people to dismiss the position that is supported by the noble lie.

Wow! Okay... so you think OP just pulled this stuff out of his *kitten*, eh?

That's a neat trick! I'd kinda like to see that.

I am happy to revise the title of this thread (or ask a Mod to do so) to "one, if not the biggest cause of male deaths" if needs be and it draws people back to the underlying issue of why so many young men it seems are taking their own lives...

You don't need to do that. You started this thread with a charitable heart. Some people have nothing better to do than to detract from the issue.

Yeahbut .. "Noble lies" and misinformation detract from the issue too. Nobody is suggesting that it's not a serious issue. But you don't have to BS about the statistics to get peoples' attention. All that's going to do is cause people to dismiss the position that is supported by the noble lie.

I can say with certainty that he did not "BS" the statistics. IF this is the statistic the article gave he was simply stating the fact as he knew. Any data from ANY research can be skewed in the favor of whoever is conducting the research. Posting about being off on the age range DETRACTS from the issue..

I wasnt talking about the age range. Look at my previous post and the source. It's not "suicide" .. it's suicide, ODs, poisonings, and accidents all lumped together that become the leading cause ....

That's very interesting. Funny, in the last year I've heard of people I know and know of killing themselves and they have all been men. I think there were about 5.

They were in 12-step programs, so I don't know if that has anything to do with it.

If they were in the step program for drugs or alcohol they did not take it seriously. That program is very helpful.

The leading cause of death of men in the UK is heart disease…

Did you even read the post? He said between ages 20 and 49...

It's actually ages 20-34.

We all appreciate your input in this thread. With more people like you, this societal issue is sure to be resolved in no time. /sarcasm

If someone is going to throw out statistics regarding a very serious matter, at least have the correct data so people are CORRECTLY informed. That's why I said suicide is the leading cause of men between the ages of 20 and 34.

Have you ever taken an actual statistics class?

None of them are accurate! There is always a measure of deviance that is accounted for in the formula.

Get over yourself!

That's very interesting. Funny, in the last year I've heard of people I know and know of killing themselves and they have all been men. I think there were about 5.

They were in 12-step programs, so I don't know if that has anything to do with it.

Yes, being in 12-step programs is relevant. There are a number of factors that increase the likelihood that a person will commit suicide. One of them is abusing substances such as alcohol and drugs. Depression and other mood disorders are the most frequent risk factors for suicidal behavior. Alcohol and some drugs can result in a loss of inhibition which may increase impulsive behavior and thus lead to changes in the brain that result in depression over time.

I am happy to revise the title of this thread (or ask a Mod to do so) to "one, if not the biggest cause of male deaths" if needs be and it draws people back to the underlying issue of why so many young men it seems are taking their own lives...

You don't need to do that. You started this thread with a charitable heart. Some people have nothing better to do than to detract from the issue.

Yeahbut .. "Noble lies" and misinformation detract from the issue too. Nobody is suggesting that it's not a serious issue. But you don't have to BS about the statistics to get peoples' attention. All that's going to do is cause people to dismiss the position that is supported by the noble lie.

I can say with certainty that he did not "BS" the statistics. IF this is the statistic the article gave he was simply stating the fact as he knew. Any data from ANY research can be skewed in the favor of whoever is conducting the research. Posting about being off on the age range DETRACTS from the issue..

I wasnt talking about the age range. Look at my previous post and the source. It's not "suicide" .. it's suicide, ODs, poisonings, and accidents all lumped together that become the leading cause ....

YOU did not specify that you were not talking about the age range...nor did you mention anything about causes being lumped together. If YOU re-read your original response it can easily be mistaken as you saying he is BSing about the age range/statistic.

I think he is probably referencing the chart here:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/mortality-statistics--deaths-registered-in-england-and-wales--series-dr-/2012/info-causes-of-death.html


That shows it as #1 for 20-34 and #1 for 35-49, thus it would be #1 for 20-49

The leading cause of death of men in the UK is heart disease…

Did you even read the post? He said between ages 20 and 49...

It's actually ages 20-34.

Well aren't you just the ray of sunshine....Perhaps the article that he read was outdated, or not as specific...the bigger issue is Suicide Awarness...Don't be a twit..

Aw, name calling… you're so mature for a 35 year old!

I think he is probably referencing the chart here:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/mortality-statistics--deaths-registered-in-england-and-wales--series-dr-/2012/info-causes-of-death.html


That shows it as #1 for 20-34 and #1 for 35-49, thus it would be #1 for 20-49

No. It shows a combination of suicide, poisoning, and injury as #1 in both of those age groups.

I am happy to revise the title of this thread (or ask a Mod to do so) to "one, if not the biggest cause of male deaths" if needs be and it draws people back to the underlying issue of why so many young men it seems are taking their own lives...

You don't need to do that. You started this thread with a charitable heart. Some people have nothing better to do than to detract from the issue.

Yeahbut .. "Noble lies" and misinformation detract from the issue too. Nobody is suggesting that it's not a serious issue. But you don't have to BS about the statistics to get peoples' attention. All that's going to do is cause people to dismiss the position that is supported by the noble lie.

I can say with certainty that he did not "BS" the statistics. IF this is the statistic the article gave he was simply stating the fact as he knew. Any data from ANY research can be skewed in the favor of whoever is conducting the research. Posting about being off on the age range DETRACTS from the issue..

I wasnt talking about the age range. Look at my previous post and the source. It's not "suicide" .. it's suicide, ODs, poisonings, and accidents all lumped together that become the leading cause ....

YOU did not specify that you were not talking about the age range...nor did you mention anything about causes being lumped together. If YOU re-read your original response it can easily be mistaken as you saying he is BSing about the age range/statistic.

I sure did, earlier in the thread.

The Noble Lie response was just a warning that disinformation, regardless of if it is positive or negative, can have negative impacts to the overall cause.

I did not respond or quote you in an earlier thread, so I apologize if I missed something, but just taking the above post it implies he BS'd the statistics.

Yeah. I suppose it does. my bad.

I am happy to revise the title of this thread (or ask a Mod to do so) to "one, if not the biggest cause of male deaths" if needs be and it draws people back to the underlying issue of why so many young men it seems are taking their own lives...

You don't need to do that. You started this thread with a charitable heart. Some people have nothing better to do than to detract from the issue.

Yeahbut .. "Noble lies" and misinformation detract from the issue too. Nobody is suggesting that it's not a serious issue. But you don't have to BS about the statistics to get peoples' attention. All that's going to do is cause people to dismiss the position that is supported by the noble lie.

I can say with certainty that he did not "BS" the statistics. IF this is the statistic the article gave he was simply stating the fact as he knew. Any data from ANY research can be skewed in the favor of whoever is conducting the research. Posting about being off on the age range DETRACTS from the issue..

I wasnt talking about the age range. Look at my previous post and the source. It's not "suicide" .. it's suicide, ODs, poisonings, and accidents all lumped together that become the leading cause ....

YOU did not specify that you were not talking about the age range...nor did you mention anything about causes being lumped together. If YOU re-read your original response it can easily be mistaken as you saying he is BSing about the age range/statistic.

I sure did, earlier in the thread.

The Noble Lie response was just a warning that disinformation, regardless of if it is positive or negative, can have negative impacts to the overall cause.

As long as there are people grieving over those that they have lost to suicide, I very seriously doubt that one menial statistic will ever detract from the cause regardless of its accuracy.

The leading cause of death of men in the UK is heart disease…

Did you even read the post? He said between ages 20 and 49...

It's actually ages 20-34.

Please post the link that supports your position. Thanks.

I think he is probably referencing the chart here:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/mortality-statistics--deaths-registered-in-england-and-wales--series-dr-/2012/info-causes-of-death.html


That shows it as #1 for 20-34 and #1 for 35-49, thus it would be #1 for 20-49

Yeah, if you go by that chart, it is 20-49. This site says under 35: http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/help-information/mental-health-statistics/suicide/ and this one says ages 20-34 but if you read in the info discussing deaths related to breast cancer, the first sentence reads "Suicide remains the leading cause of death for men up to the age of 49, accounting for 13% of deaths to men aged 35-49." http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/mortality-statistics--deaths-registered-in-england-and-wales--series-dr-/2012/sty-causes-of-death.html

Wait....So you were wrong??? Hmmm...

I think he is probably referencing the chart here:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/mortality-statistics--deaths-registered-in-england-and-wales--series-dr-/2012/info-causes-of-death.html


That shows it as #1 for 20-34 and #1 for 35-49, thus it would be #1 for 20-49

No. It shows a combination of suicide, poisoning, and injury as #1 in both of those age groups.

I would be curious to know if the poisoning and injury were considered self inflicted (even if by accident) and that is how they were lumped into suicide. It would definitely be more interesting to know the breakdown of how they came up with that percentage.