The single biggest cause of male deaths...
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I just went back and read this forum. Debating the statistics? What a bunch of @ssholes.
Pretty much sums it up.
It is the MFP forum way.0 -
Those data are for men of all ages. Young men (who tend not to die from cardiovascular disease, cancer, etc.) die from suicide.0
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YIKES.
Would love to know more about why this is the case. I'm going to do some research and see what I can find! What an epidemic.0 -
SWEET MERCIFUL CRAP WHO CARES ABOUT THE AGE RANGE OR WHAT IS ALL LUMPED TOGETHER AS A LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH.
The topic is about suicide and why so many males commit suicide. The number should be ZERO but it's not so its obviously a problem that needs to be discussed. Quit demanding that you be right and getting a topic off topic and then get it deleted and start talking about an actual issue!!!
ANYWAYS
Did you notice that when Robin Williams died suicide and depression were all over the news and people were writing a ton of articles about it. Now you see jack squat about suicide or depression stories because the media has moved on to other stuff? Which is sad, it should be talked about even if someone famous didn't just kill themselves.
This is actually a really good point. It was so sad and everyone couldn't believe that he struggled for so long. And suddenly... it's just gone. There's no more coverage, no articles posting on what he suffered from and why. I read an article that quoted another actor (I forget his name) saying that you could tell something was wrong with Robin when he was off-stage. Like something was off.... and yet he'd make a joke, so you'd think that everything would be okay.
The fact that Robin Williams, as a leading male actor, with resources beyond belief, felt that he was unable to get the help he needed speaks tremendous volumes about our society if we'd only take the time to listen.
It's actually kind of funny (not in ha-ha sense) how many issues could be solved if as human beings we'd be willing to communicate with each other.0 -
SWEET MERCIFUL CRAP WHO CARES ABOUT THE AGE RANGE OR WHAT IS ALL LUMPED TOGETHER AS A LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH.
The topic is about suicide and why so many males commit suicide. The number should be ZERO but it's not so its obviously a problem that needs to be discussed. Quit demanding that you be right and getting a topic off topic and then get it deleted and start talking about an actual issue!!!
ANYWAYS
Did you notice that when Robin Williams died suicide and depression were all over the news and people were writing a ton of articles about it. Now you see jack squat about suicide or depression stories because the media has moved on to other stuff? Which is sad, it should be talked about even if someone famous didn't just kill themselves.
It's actually kind of funny (not in ha-ha sense) how many issues could be solved if as human beings we'd be willing to communicate with each other.
I really do not know why either. I thing it is a traditional macho men crap that needs to be stopped.0 -
in the UK where I live for men aged between 20 - 49 years old almost made me fall off my chair when I read what it was.
It is not road traffic accidents.
It is not heart disease.
It is not cancer.
Or even obesity.
It is suicide.
So, if you are a man and you struggle with these thoughts, if you feel despair and hopelessness and doubt please know you are not alone. It is not a reflection of your worth as a man to any degree. There is help out there for you and taking that help is just as important as looking after yourself physically.
CALM - The Campaign Against Living Miserably - is a UK charity which supports men who struggle in this area. Their website can be found here: https://www.thecalmzone.net/about-calm/what-is-calm/
Live long my brothers.
#mandown
I believe that suicide does need a platform, is serious and should be taken serious, but, its purely not true that it is the number #1 reason of death in men 20-49 in the UK...
Not even close...
Leading causes of death in men, England and Wales, 2012
Rank Leading cause of death No. of men Percentage of men
1 Heart disease 37423 15.60%
2 Lung cancer 16698 7.00%
3 Emphysema/bronchitis 14378 6.00%
4 Stroke 14116 5.90%
5 Dementia and Alzheimer’s 13984 5.80%
6 Flu/pneumonia 11063 4.60%
7 Prostate cancer 9698 4.00%
8 Bowel cancer 7841 3.30%
9 Lymphoid cancer 6301 2.60%
10 Throat cancer 4603 1.90%
Not even on the Top 10 list... Once again, misinformation is king on the net...
Mark
Misquoting must be the Queen on the net then. Because if you scroll down, it specifically says
"Suicide and poisoning leading cause of death for 20-34 year olds. Suicide and injury/poisoning of undetermined intent were the leading cause of death for 20-34 year olds, for 26% of men and 13% of women. Factors that could lead to these deaths include: traumatic experiences, lifestyle choices such as drug or alcohol misuse, job insecurity and relationship problems." http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/mortality-statistics--deaths-registered-in-england-and-wales--series-dr-/2012/sty-causes-of-death.html
On top of that, what is the point is arguing about stats and ignoring the issue at hand here? "Oh, it's not the top 10 killer, so who cares?!" Is that really the train of thought happening?
The fact that ANYONE has thought that the best thing that they could do for themselves and for the people around them is to KILL THEMSELVES shows that there is a major flaw somewhere and needs to be addressed.
Instead, a majority of you have to focus on the numerical misquote (which he admitted to and apologized for)?!
Next up, we're going to talk about child abuse, but since the statistic was off by a couple numbers, who cares if someone beats a child IF THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP.0 -
I just went back and read this forum. Debating the statistics? What a bunch of @ssholes.
Pretty much sums it up.
... and the #1 problem plaguing the MFP forums? It's a tie between Narcissism and Assholery! (No statistics needed to back that one up, just 4 years of experiential learning.)0 -
I find it funny how the cause of the post is swept under the rug with people arguing Stats. MFP forums always seem to amaze me.
:drinker:
It is like watching tv. MFP forums are entertaining.0 -
I completely agree that suicide (and mental health in general) needs more awareness, thank you for putting this out there.
I'm also wondering about the fallout and mental health of the people left behind. I briefly dated a guy (who I had known casually for almost a year) whose younger brother had committed suicide at the age of 9. He had hung himself in his closet, and he is the one who found him. We did have conversations about it, and the effect it had on his life. The relationship ended when he broke into my apartment through my second floor balcony because I was hanging out with two coworkers and he assumed I was sleeping with them (I was most definitely not). I found out years later that he also committed suicide.0 -
SWEET MERCIFUL CRAP WHO CARES ABOUT THE AGE RANGE OR WHAT IS ALL LUMPED TOGETHER AS A LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH.
The topic is about suicide and why so many males commit suicide. The number should be ZERO but it's not so its obviously a problem that needs to be discussed. Quit demanding that you be right and getting a topic off topic and then get it deleted and start talking about an actual issue!!!
ANYWAYS
Did you notice that when Robin Williams died suicide and depression were all over the news and people were writing a ton of articles about it. Now you see jack squat about suicide or depression stories because the media has moved on to other stuff? Which is sad, it should be talked about even if someone famous didn't just kill themselves.
It's actually kind of funny (not in ha-ha sense) how many issues could be solved if as human beings we'd be willing to communicate with each other.
I really do not know why either. I thing it is a traditional macho men crap that needs to be stopped.
As a girl, I thankfully don't have the pressure of being a macho man, but I do know that there's a lot of pressure to not show emotions and I'm not sure why. Even as a girl, if you cry, you're being too emotional. If a guy cries, he's being a woman.
I suppose it all starts/stops at the home with our parents and kids, but I feel like so many parents don't know how to react or handle if their child is having issues. Mine wanted to help, but the only thing they understood to do was to take me to the doctor and get me meds (which was actually a very bad thing for me).
Is there anywhere that requires child-rearing classes? I feel like this needs to be a thing...0 -
SWEET MERCIFUL CRAP WHO CARES ABOUT THE AGE RANGE OR WHAT IS ALL LUMPED TOGETHER AS A LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH.
The topic is about suicide and why so many males commit suicide. The number should be ZERO but it's not so its obviously a problem that needs to be discussed. Quit demanding that you be right and getting a topic off topic and then get it deleted and start talking about an actual issue!!!
ANYWAYS
Did you notice that when Robin Williams died suicide and depression were all over the news and people were writing a ton of articles about it. Now you see jack squat about suicide or depression stories because the media has moved on to other stuff? Which is sad, it should be talked about even if someone famous didn't just kill themselves.
It's actually kind of funny (not in ha-ha sense) how many issues could be solved if as human beings we'd be willing to communicate with each other.
I really do not know why either. I thing it is a traditional macho men crap that needs to be stopped.
As a girl, I thankfully don't have the pressure of being a macho man, but I do know that there's a lot of pressure to not show emotions and I'm not sure why. Even as a girl, if you cry, you're being too emotional. If a guy cries, he's being a woman.
I suppose it all starts/stops at the home with our parents and kids, but I feel like so many parents don't know how to react or handle if their child is having issues. Mine wanted to help, but the only thing they understood to do was to take me to the doctor and get me meds (which was actually a very bad thing for me).
Is there anywhere that requires child-rearing classes? I feel like this needs to be a thing...
I think people are just scared to let things out. I know I was. I knew though that when I did finally let it out that I could figure out a solution. You be surprised that I can admit to crying for six hours. In front of friends family and random people at treatment. I do know that was the start to healing and it has.0 -
That's very interesting. Funny, in the last year I've heard of people I know and know of killing themselves and they have all been men. I think there were about 5.
They were in 12-step programs, so I don't know if that has anything to do with it.
If they were in the step program for drugs or alcohol they did not take it seriously. That program is very helpful.
It may not be that they didn't take them seriously. I definitely agree, that 12-step programs work, but addiction is very powerful, and for many, there are other, underlying issues, such as mental illness. If those are going undiagnosed, or untreated, then many times, the demons win. Even those who are fighting hard, lose the battle. They get overwhelmed. They think they can't go on any more. There's a lot more to it that not taking it seriously. Usually those who don't take it seriously are those who aren't ready for recovery or simply don't want to. They drink themselves to death of overdose. I'm sure some might commit suicide, but as a general rule, I wouldn't think so?0 -
SWEET MERCIFUL CRAP WHO CARES ABOUT THE AGE RANGE OR WHAT IS ALL LUMPED TOGETHER AS A LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH.
The topic is about suicide and why so many males commit suicide. The number should be ZERO but it's not so its obviously a problem that needs to be discussed. Quit demanding that you be right and getting a topic off topic and then get it deleted and start talking about an actual issue!!!
ANYWAYS
Did you notice that when Robin Williams died suicide and depression were all over the news and people were writing a ton of articles about it. Now you see jack squat about suicide or depression stories because the media has moved on to other stuff? Which is sad, it should be talked about even if someone famous didn't just kill themselves.
It's actually kind of funny (not in ha-ha sense) how many issues could be solved if as human beings we'd be willing to communicate with each other.
I really do not know why either. I thing it is a traditional macho men crap that needs to be stopped.
As a girl, I thankfully don't have the pressure of being a macho man, but I do know that there's a lot of pressure to not show emotions and I'm not sure why. Even as a girl, if you cry, you're being too emotional. If a guy cries, he's being a woman.
I suppose it all starts/stops at the home with our parents and kids, but I feel like so many parents don't know how to react or handle if their child is having issues. Mine wanted to help, but the only thing they understood to do was to take me to the doctor and get me meds (which was actually a very bad thing for me).
Is there anywhere that requires child-rearing classes? I feel like this needs to be a thing...
I think people are just scared to let things out. I know I was. I knew though that when I did finally let it out that I could figure out a solution. You be surprised that I can admit to crying for six hours. In front of friends family and random people at treatment. I do know that was the start to healing and it has.
That's a good point. Just letting things out, whether it be vocally, creatively, emotionally... we are quite a repressive society. I suppose we're taught that early... when asked "how are you", it's just a generic greeting that should only be answer with a positive.
I'm glad that you're healing and that you can admit to crying period, let alone for any length of time. Its definitely a great release, that is often seen in such a negative view.0 -
I think he is probably referencing the chart here:
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/mortality-statistics--deaths-registered-in-england-and-wales--series-dr-/2012/info-causes-of-death.html
That shows it as #1 for 20-34 and #1 for 35-49, thus it would be #1 for 20-49
Thanks for clarifying that (and really I should have done that in my OP). Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
I am very grateful to everyone for sharing their experiences and views on this thread and hopefully if we can keep the issue in focus it will help us all deal with something which can have a devastating impact on people's lives.
It's good to argue, errr, I mean talk...0 -
Glad to see the statistic talk has stopped. I don't know why it even started.0
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in the UK where I live for men aged between 20 - 49 years old almost made me fall off my chair when I read what it was.
It is not road traffic accidents.
It is not heart disease.
It is not cancer.
Or even obesity.
It is suicide.
So, if you are a man and you struggle with these thoughts, if you feel despair and hopelessness and doubt please know you are not alone. It is not a reflection of your worth as a man to any degree. There is help out there for you and taking that help is just as important as looking after yourself physically.
CALM - The Campaign Against Living Miserably - is a UK charity which supports men who struggle in this area. Their website can be found here: https://www.thecalmzone.net/about-calm/what-is-calm/
Live long my brothers.
#mandown
Bump... cause I love you...
And not in a stalkerish sort of way...
Because you're across the pond. :grumble:
Lol. Thanks love.
It's amazing such an important issue gets so little airtime it seems....
Obviously. It is called "Population Control". Hence, cigs and alcohol are still legal, there is still "no cure" for cancer, just to name a few examples.0 -
It is sad that men feel like that if they talk about their emotions or admit they are having an emotional problem, they are weak and not being "manly." A lot of dumba** men (and quite a few women) believe that a "real man" should just shut up about their emotional issues. They should just "man up" or "suck it up," as if they got scraped on the knee or something. I was one of the people who believed this.
Now, I realize the damage this is causing to men and society in general. I believe it is getting better though. There are people out there who will help you and I promise you won't feel like a lesser man. In fact, it will help you become a better man who can still be tough when he needs to, but also empathetic and nurturing when required. Just because you let yourself be vulnerable with trustworthy person doesn't mean you can never be a strong and confident man. This whole belief system needs to end!0 -
It is sad that men feel like that if they talk about their emotions or admit they are having an emotional problem, they are weak and not being "manly." A lot of dumba** men (and quite a few women) believe that a "real man" should just shut up about their emotional issues. They should just "man up" or "suck it up," as if they got scraped on the knee or something. I was one of the people who believed this.
Now, I realize the damage this is causing to men and society in general. I believe it is getting better though. There are people out there who will help you and I promise you won't feel like a lesser man. In fact, it will help you become a better man who can still be tough when he needs to, but also empathetic and nurturing when required. Just because you let yourself be vulnerable with trustworthy person doesn't mean you can never be a strong and confident man. This whole belief system needs to end!
Well said sir. I remember though in high school sometimes my friends and I would just play horse in basketball and talk about anything. Everyone needs someone in there life who they can say anything to them and not feel judged or womenly or anything negative.0
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