Intermittent fasting

Bump. I'm back on the wagon. Does anyone do the bcaas with fasted training? I tend to workout in the am. Try ton save my weight training for a fed time but sometimes this is hard.

How about the calorie cycling? I seem to remember I struggled to get in enough during the high days

I glanced at the website, but you posted the basics (which any sensible person would know is unhealthy) in your original post. Is the following true or untrue?

You do not eat for 16 hours.
You then eat your entire day's worth of calories in the other 8 hours.

If that is part of your diet (like you stated in your original post), that is unhealthy.

You want sources? Okay.

http://www.losing-bodyfat.com/eatmore.html
http://www.thedietchannel.com/AskTheExpert/nutrition-healthy-eating/Meal-Frequency-How-often-should-you-eat.htm
http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_articles.asp?id=1144
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark75.htm
http://www.ehow.com/how_4711051_eat-lose-weight.html
http://www.wikihow.com/Eat-and-Lose-Weight
http://www.shapefit.com/lose-weight-eat-more.html
http://ezinearticles.com/?Eat-More-Often-to-Lose-Weight&id=50599
http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/healthy/food/improve/795.html
http://www.disabled-world.com/fitness/diets/eating-more.php
http://www.nutrition-diet-healthy.com/diet-nutrition/eat-well-eat-often-to-lose-weight

Oh, and every reputable doctor and nutritionist. And I'm not talking about people who created or are funded by some fad diet babbling about how going against the basic concept of maintaining a healthy metabolism is going to help you lose weight -- OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO HELP YOU LOSE WEIGHT. You're starving yourself. If I stopped eating for the next week, I'd lose a lot of weight too. I lose a ton of weight when I fast (as described in my previous post), and then pile it RIGHT back on within the couple weeks' recovery.

If you want to continue down a path that is only going to do damage to your metabolism, go right on ahead, but don't try to debunk scientific fact without expecting to get countered.

No offense but these are not credible resources. These article all ignore or were written before all current research on the subject. The fact is that there may be a small benefit to eating frequently, but it's on the same level as drinking icewater all day, so it's not significant.

I don't think lean gains increases metabolism, but it is a good way to allow yourself large, filling meals and the meals are often timed well to maximize lean mass retention and building (depending on your goals).

In the end it's calories in vs calories out for weight loss but with lean gains you can get a few extra advantages for lifestyle and muscle mass depending on your goals.

OK, I'm quite interested in this, though I don't know whether it would work for me (ie could I stick to it).

At the moment, my routine is this:

7.30am - get up - do Turbo Fire or Shred or ChaLean Extreme
Btween 8.30am - 9am - have breakfast etc, drink a pint of water
9am - cycle to work (only about 10 minutes)

Sit on bum at desk literally ALL day
1.30pm - eat lunch

Between 5-6pm - cycle home (this can be up to 35 minutes depending on what route I take)
Anywhere between 6pm-10pm - eat dinner

Only day which is different is a Tuesday, when I don't do a morning workout, but go horseriding between 6.30-7.30pm.

If I was to try IF, how would it fit into my normal routine? Also, I've always heard that breakfast is "the most important meal of the day". If you're effectively not eating until lunch, is it still counted as breakfast??

I only have about another 7lbs to lose, but I so want to make sure it's bodyfat that goes, and not any muscle I might have!!

Thanks if you can help me out with this

What is BCAA?

If I was to try IF, how would it fit into my normal routine? Also, I've always heard that breakfast is "the most important meal of the day". If you're effectively not eating until lunch, is it still counted as breakfast??

I only have about another 7lbs to lose, but I so want to make sure it's bodyfat that goes, and not any muscle I might have!!

Thanks if you can help me out with this

Hey another beach body user! Lunch becomes breakfast because you break your fast then. you just prolong the fast from 10 to 14 hours (14 hours is what the leangains author recommends women start with). Breakfast has actually been shown to not be as important as originally thought. Although it was associated with weight control, what studies the leangains author has cited suggests that this is usually due to 1) being overly hungry and binging at lunch 2) people not eating enough calories overall and having a sluggish metabolism 3) not consciously thinking about their eating habits. He addresses this issue in the link I posted above, "fasting myths debunked"

Your schedule is similar to mine. What would change is your eating window. I personally think fasted cardio is just fine, but before chalene extreme or other weight lifting routines I would take the BCAAs just prior. Then simply break your fast 14hours after your last meal. So if you stop eating dinner at 8pm, you would eat breakfast at 10am. That's it, pretty simple.

Remember, if you want to make sure you are losing fat and not muscle, lifting heavy is the most important thing. So far I haven't seen a fasting program that doesn't recommend weightlifting for muscle preservation. Current studies show lean mass retention is better with IF than with calorie restriction, however. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21410865?dopt=Abstract

So then you don't fast, it seems. Or perhaps I just don't understand your meal schedule? I always thought LeanGains was about extending the nightly fast to last into the early afternoon, or do you have it reversed and stop eating in the early afternoon? I would be interested in that because it's something i'd like to do too.

What is BCAA?

Branched Chain Amino Acid

The building blocks of muscle.

Have you ever heard of fast 5? Starting to do that at the mo, and its great

finishing up my 14 hour fast, I did ESE until 6:30 last night so I only had a 90min eating window. Ready for a big breakfast