Experience with the "whoosh"?

With approx. 1/3 of cancer incidences, as well as heart disease, diabetes, and the slew of other ailments that have been PROVEN to be preventable through proper nutrition you'd think more emphasis woul be placed on it.

You were doing pretty good in this thread, until you got to this bogus claim.

Nutrition, like all the sciences, remains falsifiable - otherwise we are not discussing science any longer, but dogma.

Nothing is "proven," (if you want proof - switch to mathematics) just shown to be more likely and or less likely.

While nutrition is important, it is bogus to claim that nutrition alone can treat a 1/3 of "cancer incidences"

This is demonstrably dangerous woo.

NOTE: Misstated the claim. Stating prevention is a stronger claim and is still BS

He didn't say "treat" he said "prevent." The claim may be just as bogus, but it's a different claim than you purport to address.

Thank you for the clarification.

Yes, it was stated that nutrition can "prevent" a "1/3 of "cancer incidences" which is an even stronger claim.

It's still woo and BS.

This is how I have lost weight for years now and I have never been quite able to scientifically figure it out. I will diet for awhile and nothing happens. Then one day I wake up and 5 pounds is gone, and it stays gone. When I quit drinking nearly 1,000 calories a night nothing happened for a good 6 weeks, then suddenly I'm down 5 ponds then 10 pounds etc...and it stays gone. My stomach often gets very squishy and bloated before the drop and I do urinate a lot before the drop. I just want to be clear this is actual weight that stays off. Doesn't make sense but this is how it works for me. Keep losing folks!

Bump, because I have always experienced this. I'm on a mini-cut and know I'm at a deficit. I've been tracking, and maintaining for over a year, so I'm pretty confident with my numbers. I'm also pretty lean (<19% BF, and I'm female). From everything I've read, this is a common phenomenon for women bodybuilding competitors when trying to get super lean. There are several theories and most have to do with the stresses caused by dieting.

Leangains does site "The Biology of Human Starvation", experiments done during World War 2. Here's what Martin writes,

"At the start of the study, the men were losing weight linearly, dropping about 2 lbs per week. However, after some time the weight loss became erratic and unpredictable. No longer was it linear, but rather it occurred in "bursts" with long periods of plateaus. The researchers overseeing the experiment noted that water retention was noticeable in most men and in some cases quite severe.

Half-way through the study the men were allowed a relief dinner to celebrate their progress. One big meal of 2300 kcal was served; roasted chicken, potatoes, gravy and strawberry shortcake. That night everyone got up more often than usual to urinate. The next day they discovered that they had each lost several pounds.

This was not a one-time occurrence. When the experiment was over and the refeeding phase began, the men continued to drop weight at an accelerated rate until calories were increased substantially."

But my weight loss is never linear. That doesn't mean everyone's weight loss will occur this way, but I think it's a helpful reminder not to freak out. Hopefully, I'll "whoosh" soon. I'll try to update when/if I do.

Bump for encouragement later!

bump and save for later reading

Bump, just to add a "me too." I am pretty consistent in net calories; my weight goes zig-zag/zig-zag/woosh on a two-three week cycle. Reassuringly, the average drop over time is almost exactly the goal I've set on MFP. Hang on in there, and Trust The Numbers.

I can confirm I experience these. You really don't need a credible source to believe it. Many many people have them. And out experience is about the same slow/no weight loss for a while and then bang weight falls of us like crazy.

Oh and when a whoosh is happening i will piss like a racehorse.

Hoping I whoosh because it's been 2 weeks with no loss...yet definitely eating under maintenance!

I've had it a couple times. The biggest one was a a couple months ago despite eating at a 1000 cal deficit I lost like 1 lb in a month. Then one day my skin felt incredibly soft, and the day after I was peeing like every hour. Over the course of 3 days I lost 7 lbs.

These links explain exactly what you guys are going through!

I experienced this yesterday after eating 80g of carbs, usually on keto + 16-8 LeanGains IF, and lost 2.5 pounds after being stalled for almost a week!


The day before, I felt gross and squishy, especially my stomach which looked flabby and super soft...but I am at a 500cal deficit daily, and taking yohimbine while exercising fasted every morning 5 days a week. There is no way my body is not burning fat, so i realized it definitely is water retention in the fat cells.


The links explain how a carb-load can fix this..because after burning the fat from the fat cells, only glycerol is now left, which attracts water = water filled fat cells! By eating carbs, SOMEHOW it causes the pulling of water out of your empty fat cells.

1) Whooshes and squishy fat explained:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/of-whooshes-and-squishy-fat.html/

2) Water retention phenomenons!:

http://www.leangains.com/2010_01_01_archive.html


Great read and I am mind-blown

Oh my gosh. Just did this. I wasn't losing weight for almost 2 weeks and then I jumped on the scale after waking up and was down 4 pounds. I kept moving the scale around the room because I thought that maybe the floor was uneven. Lol.. Awesome. I'll never think of a plateau the same way again.

firstsip wrote: »

I've heard about it, read about it, researched it...

What is your personal experience with the "whoosh": what did your body look like, how did you feel, is this even real, etc.?

Note that this is a more precise post than my mistaken thought that people called it "fat flush" :laugh:

What is woosh? ?

AddieOverhaul wrote: »

I honestly don't really care about the science behind it all I know is that my weight stays exactly the same (with a 1 pound fluctation day to day depending on what I ate the day before and ToM) for 3-6 weeks and then BAM! I will drop 3-5 pounds and then stay at that new low for the next 3-6 weeks.

Exactly the same for me!

chachachingona wrote: »

Oh my gosh. Just did this. I wasn't losing weight for almost 2 weeks and then I jumped on the scale after waking up and was down 4 pounds. I kept moving the scale around the room because I thought that maybe the floor was uneven. Lol.. Awesome. I'll never think of a plateau the same way again.

This is a great point, with all these stories showing the same sort of phenomenon we really ought to dispose of the plateau concept as we think about it. Maybe a true plateau is months, not weeks. Since if we just keep plugging along on our plans, the whoosh will come. We just have to have patience.