Road to Six Pack ABs - Get Ripped!
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I think bulking with 14+ body fat will just make you fat later on. You might get to 20% or more and I think that's not what you want. I'm cutting to less than 10% body fat and don't care if people think I'm skinny. I will bulk up when I reach my goal.0
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Yes, I have to agree with that^^^^Mohamed18492 wrote: »I think bulking with 14+ body fat will just make you fat later on. You might get to 20% or more and I think that's not what you want. I'm cutting to less than 10% body fat and don't care if people think I'm skinny. I will bulk up when I reach my goal.
I would honestly like to provide better evidence than I agree or simple self experience and honestly I think and from I remember reading it would have a lot to do with nutrient partitioning when you are creeping up into 15% and above territory. I may very well be incorrect and if anyone has solid reading material on that I would love to read it.
I've read the same, but unfortunately didn't bookmark the reading materials. General consensus seems to be to stay within what is still considered that "Athletic Range" for best results.0 -
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I agree also.
Higher BF% leads to less efficient calorie/macro partitioning.....
Your body isn't quite as sensitive to hormonal signals at higher BF levels0 -
i was in the 11-12% range when I started this bulk ...0
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I weighted 165 lbs before and in 4 months I was down to 140 lbs and now currently weigh 145 with fat % decreasing, which is super. I don't know if muscle memory will do me good. In average, with my height of 5' 9" my ideal weight would come down to about 165 - 175 lbs. Starting November is when I'll seriously pump heavier than my usual workout routine. keep posting~ and let's discuss what foods to eat.
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I've increased my calorie intake to 2550 with MACRO staying at 40% protein 40% carb and 20% fats, hopefully this ratio will help me to bulk up faster.
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proanthonylee wrote: »I weighted 165 lbs before and in 4 months I was down to 140 lbs and now currently weigh 145 with fat % decreasing, which is super. I don't know if muscle memory will do me good. In average, with my height of 5' 9" my ideal weight would come down to about 165 - 175 lbs. Starting November is when I'll seriously pump heavier than my usual workout routine. keep posting~ and let's discuss what foods to eat.
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I've increased my calorie intake to 2550 with MACRO staying at 40% protein 40% carb and 20% fats, hopefully this ratio will help me to bulk up faster.
Ratios won't really align your macros properly in many cases and even less so on a bulk. Take your 2,550 calories, 40% will put you at 255g of protein or 1.76g per lb of body weight which is unnecessarily high.
Grams>ratios.
you would be better off at 35% protein; 35% carbs, 30% fat…that is what I have mine set to...0 -
Even 25% protein is probably more than enough. That's still over 1 gram per lb of body weight.0
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ForecasterJason wrote: »Even 25% protein is probably more than enough. That's still over 1 gram per lb of body weight.
agreed…I just tend to eat/like a lot of high protein foods….0 -
It's hard gaining quality mass once natural test levels start dropping around your age. On the bright side you probably make more money LoL.
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Yeah you are right, 255 gm of protein is just way too much for me and It won't be used to build muscle anyways. I may need to change my ratio to suggested35% 35% 30%
thanks! great support!!!0 -
20 lbs of muscle by end of January might be pushing the limits, but 10 lbs of muscle, will be doable at my condition0
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Since I'm trying to do a rather slow bulk, I have increased my calories some. I do think my appetite has increased a bit even with this. Even though my weight lifting routine is not very intense, I'm wondering if this could be from the energy needed to repair the muscles. Like perhaps an additional 25-50 calories may be needed for repair, not counting the increased energy need for maintenance and actual growth?0
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proanthonylee wrote: »20 lbs of muscle by end of January might be pushing the limits, but 10 lbs of muscle, will be doable at my condition
10 lbs of muscle is pushing it too.0 -
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ForecasterJason wrote: »Since I'm trying to do a rather slow bulk, I have increased my calories some. I do think my appetite has increased a bit even with this. Even though my weight lifting routine is not very intense, I'm wondering if this could be from the energy needed to repair the muscles. Like perhaps an additional 25-50 calories may be needed for repair, not counting the increased energy need for maintenance and actual growth?
I don't follow
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Mohamed18492 wrote: »I think bulking with 14+ body fat will just make you fat later on. You might get to 20% or more and I think that's not what you want. I'm cutting to less than 10% body fat and don't care if people think I'm skinny. I will bulk up when I reach my goal.
So you want to lose muscle / fat to get into the sub 10%, then go on a bulk to try to get the muscle back?
Why not pack on the muscle now and cut later?0 -
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Read the thread.JeffseekingV wrote: »Mohamed18492 wrote: »I think bulking with 14+ body fat will just make you fat later on. You might get to 20% or more and I think that's not what you want. I'm cutting to less than 10% body fat and don't care if people think I'm skinny. I will bulk up when I reach my goal.
So you want to lose muscle / fat to get into the sub 10%, then go on a bulk to try to get the muscle back?
Why not pack on the muscle now and cut later?
Read and I still have the same question. Seems counter productive.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »
Read the thread.JeffseekingV wrote: »Mohamed18492 wrote: »I think bulking with 14+ body fat will just make you fat later on. You might get to 20% or more and I think that's not what you want. I'm cutting to less than 10% body fat and don't care if people think I'm skinny. I will bulk up when I reach my goal.
So you want to lose muscle / fat to get into the sub 10%, then go on a bulk to try to get the muscle back?
Why not pack on the muscle now and cut later?
Read and I still have the same question. Seems counter productive.
I believe he is saying that it is more efficient to begin a bulk a lower body fat percentage rather than beginning at 14%
Ie. moving from 8 - 14%, rather then 14 - 20%0 -
Yeah but the gentleman I was replying to is going to cut to below 10% then start a bulk. I don't know about efficiency but what would take longer? Cutting down to less than 10% or just starting to bulk at 14% and cutting down when you reached your lean muscle mass goal?
IMHO, the only thing "efficient" about waiting until you are lower than 10% is that your body is probably going to be able to rebound faster from just having experienced a cut. But in all likely good, only to where he was before he cut. He'll just be right at 14% and the same lean muscle mass again. And he'd have to be lifting all the time to do that. IMHO of course.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »Yeah but the gentleman I was replying to is going to cut to below 10% then start a bulk. I don't know about efficiency but what would take longer? Cutting down to less than 10% or just starting to bulk at 14% and cutting down when you reached your lean muscle mass goal?
IMHO, the only thing "efficient" about waiting until you are lower than 10% is that your body is probably going to be able to rebound faster from just having experienced a cut. But in all likely good, only to where he was before he cut. He'll just be right at 14% and the same lean muscle mass again. And he'd have to be lifting all the time to do that. IMHO of course.
More efficient with nutrient partitioning at a lower body fat percentage I believe was the idea0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Yeah but the gentleman I was replying to is going to cut to below 10% then start a bulk. I don't know about efficiency but what would take longer? Cutting down to less than 10% or just starting to bulk at 14% and cutting down when you reached your lean muscle mass goal?
IMHO, the only thing "efficient" about waiting until you are lower than 10% is that your body is probably going to be able to rebound faster from just having experienced a cut. But in all likely good, only to where he was before he cut. He'll just be right at 14% and the same lean muscle mass again. And he'd have to be lifting all the time to do that. IMHO of course.
More efficient with nutrient partitioning at a lower body fat percentage I believe was the idea
Yeah, but at the end of the day it's really just six of one, a half dozen of another, isn't it?0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Yeah but the gentleman I was replying to is going to cut to below 10% then start a bulk. I don't know about efficiency but what would take longer? Cutting down to less than 10% or just starting to bulk at 14% and cutting down when you reached your lean muscle mass goal?
IMHO, the only thing "efficient" about waiting until you are lower than 10% is that your body is probably going to be able to rebound faster from just having experienced a cut. But in all likely good, only to where he was before he cut. He'll just be right at 14% and the same lean muscle mass again. And he'd have to be lifting all the time to do that. IMHO of course.
More efficient with nutrient partitioning at a lower body fat percentage I believe was the idea
Yeah, but at the end of the day it's really just six of one, a half dozen of another, isn't it?
Explain, my coffee intake is low today and I'm running on E0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Yeah but the gentleman I was replying to is going to cut to below 10% then start a bulk. I don't know about efficiency but what would take longer? Cutting down to less than 10% or just starting to bulk at 14% and cutting down when you reached your lean muscle mass goal?
IMHO, the only thing "efficient" about waiting until you are lower than 10% is that your body is probably going to be able to rebound faster from just having experienced a cut. But in all likely good, only to where he was before he cut. He'll just be right at 14% and the same lean muscle mass again. And he'd have to be lifting all the time to do that. IMHO of course.
More efficient with nutrient partitioning at a lower body fat percentage I believe was the idea
Which ends being what I just theorizied. IMHO again. If he wants to cut down to be ripped and then try to maintain that leanness during the bulk, he's welcomed to give it a shot. It's not the most efficient way to obtaining those goals IMHO. As long as he's willing to endure that longer process, fine with me. I don't think most bodybuilders prepping for a show goes about their routine in this manner and I'd think they would be pretty efficient about the whole process0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Yeah but the gentleman I was replying to is going to cut to below 10% then start a bulk. I don't know about efficiency but what would take longer? Cutting down to less than 10% or just starting to bulk at 14% and cutting down when you reached your lean muscle mass goal?
IMHO, the only thing "efficient" about waiting until you are lower than 10% is that your body is probably going to be able to rebound faster from just having experienced a cut. But in all likely good, only to where he was before he cut. He'll just be right at 14% and the same lean muscle mass again. And he'd have to be lifting all the time to do that. IMHO of course.
More efficient with nutrient partitioning at a lower body fat percentage I believe was the idea
Yeah, but at the end of the day it's really just six of one, a half dozen of another, isn't it?
Explain, my coffee intake is low today and I'm running on E
LOL--you're cute
Cut to 10% bulk to 16% or stay at 14% and bulk to 20% then cut to 16%. It's just bulk-cut or cut-bulk. In the end, does it really make much of a difference aside from being a little "fatter" for awhile?
Personally, I don't care, I'm just a chick starting at 16% bf for this bulk.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Yeah but the gentleman I was replying to is going to cut to below 10% then start a bulk. I don't know about efficiency but what would take longer? Cutting down to less than 10% or just starting to bulk at 14% and cutting down when you reached your lean muscle mass goal?
IMHO, the only thing "efficient" about waiting until you are lower than 10% is that your body is probably going to be able to rebound faster from just having experienced a cut. But in all likely good, only to where he was before he cut. He'll just be right at 14% and the same lean muscle mass again. And he'd have to be lifting all the time to do that. IMHO of course.
More efficient with nutrient partitioning at a lower body fat percentage I believe was the idea
Which ends being what I just theorizied. IMHO again. If he wants to cut down to be ripped and then try to maintain that leanness during the bulk, he's welcomed to give it a shot. It's not the most efficient way to obtaining those goals IMHO. As long as he's willing to endure that longer process, fine with me. I don't think most bodybuilders prepping for a show goes about their routine in this manner and I'd think they would be pretty efficient about the whole process
Most natural bodybuilders would not start prepping for a show at 20% body fat because they wouldn't ever reach that high of a percentage (at least none that I know of). Most hang out in the lower teens as an absolute ceiling. Cutting from 20% down to single digits is an even longer process.0
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