Making a Lifestyle Change (or Plus Sized and OK with it)
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I suspect the OP is taking issue with people accusing her of being a lazy quitter for not having their idea of perfection as her target. There's a lot of wiggle room in between "love you rainbow" and "you're a total failure".0
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I'm just saying that BMI isn't as accurate a health indicator as people in this thread seem to be saying it is. I know that obesity carries a lot of related health risks, but how 'plus sized' do you need to be in order to automatically be unhealthy? A pound, a kilo, 20 pounds? According to some BMI charts I've seen, I'd be overweight at 130 pounds. Would I also therefore unhealthy at that weight? My GW is 140, btw.
But that's the point - see BMI is a number and what I would look like at 140 and what you would look like at that weight would be incredibly different and I would probably look too thin at that weight because I'm 5'9 almost 5'10. However, we could wear the same size - like lets say we both wear a size 8 . . . we are the same size, but our weight could be 30 or even 40 lbs difference.
That's why I'm asking why she still wants to be plus sized. Weight isn't what I'm asking . . . it's wanting to wear size 14+
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acorsaut89 wrote: »
But that's the point - see BMI is a number and what I would look like at 140 and what you would look like at that weight would be incredibly different and I would probably look too thin at that weight because I'm 5'9 almost 5'10. However, we could wear the same size - like lets say we both wear a size 8 . . . we are the same size, but our weight could be 30 or even 40 lbs difference.
That's why I'm asking why she still wants to be plus sized. Weight isn't what I'm asking . . . it's wanting to wear size 14+
Ah - I guess I'm assuming OP used that interchangeably with overweight...maybe not tho! Thanks..
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1mountainmama wrote: »
Why half *kitten* anything?
Why say ok so I'm half out of the woods for developing diabetes? I'm half way to being kind of healthy?
Sure being "thin" and eating crap and treating your body like crap won't end well for anyone . . . but those of us who are overweight, put incredible strain on our bodies by doing this. If you can completely reduce the risks, why not?0 -
Plus sized is "Size." If you're a bodybuiler, and are overweight by BMI calculators, You're not gonna be as large a "Size." A person with fat and a person with muscle can both weigh 200 lbs but I can guarantee the one with fat will be much larger.
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Nothing wrong with wanting to be plus-sized, assuming you're expecting an apocalyptic event to take place and are counting on your body fat stores to keep you alive during the harsh winter. Only problem is getting away from the wolves....
(yes I'm kidding)
In all seriousness, I don't get the rationale. Why do something half-way?0 -
If you think at a specific poundage loss you suddenly and miraculously feel better and are healthy, I've got bad news for you. The goal itself is great, being healthier is more important than looking good, but I'd be cautious about attaching a specific number to that. That's not how it works.
You can be slightly over-weight and still healthy. For a few years, I was over-weight, but generally healthy. My blood pressure was good, cholestrol was good, etc. The only thing the doctor said was that I could stand to lose a few pounds. Granted, things went downhill from that point until now, but generally speaking, I was a size 14, 185 pounds, and healthy.
I think everybody approaches this differently. If you feel like losing 50 pounds is a good idea, then go for it. Maybe after the 50, you'll want to keep going and get down to what the government and health officials claim as a healthy weight. Or, maybe after the 50 you'll feel better overall, and want to maintain at that weight. It's your choice. Everybody is different, and every body is different.0 -
OMG.... people just congratulate her on the mindset to start losing weight and call it a day. She doesn't need all this. Whe she loses 55lbs she might want to keep going, or not! Stop bashing and start encouraging.....................0
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acorsaut89 wrote: »
Well then, to put this simply . . . don't post on here.
Most people on here are here to get healthy . . . not to stay plus sized. If that's what you want, fantastic. I want to run a 5K, and then a 10K and maybe some point in my life a half marathon. I want to wear a size 10 pants . . . I want to lift heavy and I want to be able to treat myself to the things I want. I don't want a risk of diabetes or high blood pressure or MS (which my mom has and I'm more susceptible to it, it's not genetic but there's a chance) further I have a blood disorder that I was born with that I want to be able to managed without blood thinners. Do you know what it's like to tell people I'm on blood thinners and have been for a majority of my life? Most people associate blood thinners with being fat.
Those are the things I want - the things I think about every single day . . . and I don't post about them on here because there are none of anyone else's business. If you don't want people's comments - good and bad - then don't post on here. If you post, it's fair game.
A size 10 is considered "plus size" to many people. Many size 10's are also technically overweight. When I weigh 180 pounds, I am a size 10. Pretty good size, I think, but at 5'9", I would still be overweight. However, I could also be just a healthy and fit as a smaller woman. I'll say it again- you can be overweight and fit and healthy.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
She didn't ask anyone to critique her plan, though. She was seeking like minded MFP friends. Where else but the forums would one do that?[/quote]
This. She came here looking for support and she was essentially attacked for not wanting to "go all the way". Some even had the nerve to tell her that if she only wanted to lose 55 and still be overweight, she might as well not lose any at all (Whhhaaatttt).0 -
A size 10 is considered "plus size" to many people. Many size 10's are also technically overweight. When I weigh 180 pounds, I am a size 10. Pretty good size, I think, but at 5'9", I would still be overweight. However, I could also be just a healthy and fit as a smaller woman. I'll say it again- you can be overweight and fit and healthy.
Well considering I came from a size 22 - which is a real plus size - a size 10 is a great goal for me. I never once said it's the end game for me, I said I want to wear it, I want to fit into it.
Size 10 is not a plus size. Plus size lines start at 14. It may be a plus size for models, but a size 10 US is not a plus size. Maybe for some people because anything over a 4 is horrendous to even think about but for most of us out there, size 10 is not a plus size.
You can be overweight and healthy - athletes are overweight and healthy - they are not though, plus sized.
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wow... what's with all this "do it 100% or don't do it at all" stuff? Not everything in life has to be 100%... do you really do everything in your life 100%? What if 50% is also great? Do you save 100% of the money you could save? Do you keep up with friends 100% as well as you should? Do you give your work 100%, 100% of the time? Do you donate 100% of the money you could donate? 50% of something good is still good!
I hope MFP doesn't turn us into the weight equivalent of those ex-smokers that will run and gag if they see someone light up a cigarette 50 yards away... :-) it's all good!0 -
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acorsaut89 wrote: »
Well considering I came from a size 22 - which is a real plus size - a size 10 is a great goal for me. I never once said it's the end game for me, I said I want to wear it, I want to fit into it.
Size 10 is not a plus size. Plus size lines start at 14. It may be a plus size for models, but a size 10 US is not a plus size. Maybe for some people because anything over a 4 is horrendous to even think about but for most of us out there, size 10 is not a plus size.
You can be overweight and healthy - athletes are overweight and healthy - they are not though, plus sized.
Is there an official definition of plus sized? Most US size 10 clothing would be too big for me, and I am overweight by 20 lbs.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
I'll be 51 this year and I'm overweight and the only negative health marker I have that I can control is my weight. I just had my yearly checkup and all my blood work came back fine again. All cancer screens are negative. Stress test was good. Bone density is good. I am healthy and overweight and have been for quite some time.
It's entirely possible that the OP will meet her goal and decide it's not enough. She may decided on a new goal. None of us know whether she will be healthy or not at her current goal. There is nothing at all wrong with having a goal that isn't perfect on paper.
See bolded. I said it increases the chances, not that it WILL cause these problems.
I agree that there is nothing wrong with having a goal that isn't perfect on paper. I have no illusions of being perfect, even at my goal weight, which is still 40+ lbs away. After 20+ years of obesity, 15 years of smoking (quit in 1999), and living life pretty hard, I'm amazed (and thankful) that I'm as healthy as I am. But it's a game of risk and now that I'm older and less stupid, I try to control what I can so I can be around for my kids.0 -
0somuchbetter0 wrote: »
See bolded. I said it increases the chances, not that it WILL cause these problems.
I agree that there is nothing wrong with having a goal that isn't perfect on paper. I have no illusions of being perfect, even at my goal weight, which is still 40+ lbs away. After 20+ years of obesity, 15 years of smoking (quit in 1999), and living life pretty hard, I'm amazed (and thankful) that I'm as healthy as I am. But it's a game of risk and now that I'm older and less stupid, I try to control what I can so I can be around for my kids.
See bolded. My point was that adding 20 years is no guarantee that numbers won't still look good. What you do is just as important than what you eat. Probably more so.0 -
Well considering I came from a size 22 - which is a real plus size - a size 10 is a great goal for me. I never once said it's the end game for me, I said I want to wear it, I want to fit into it.
Size 10 is not a plus size. Plus size lines start at 14. It may be a plus size for models, but a size 10 US is not a plus size. Maybe for some people because anything over a 4 is horrendous to even think about but for most of us out there, size 10 is not a plus size.
You can be overweight and healthy - athletes are overweight and healthy - they are not though, plus sized.
Is there an official definition of plus sized? Most US size 10 clothing would be too big for me, and I am overweight by 20 lbs. [/quote]
Nope. "PLUS SIZED" IS SUBJECTIVE. Yes, "plus size" clothing lines often start at a size 14. "Plus size" models often start at a size 10. But the term "plus size" is defined by whoever is using it. I am a size 24 and consider myself plus sized, as most would. I also consider myself plus sized at a size 10.
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My goal, based on where I like the look of myself in old photos, is still firmly in the overweight category. Basically, I don't have a goal weight, I have a goal size and that's just to be able to buy clothes from normal stores. I really hate plus size clothes.
I know that for health it's better to be in the healthy weight range, but it's also better to be a size 16 rather than a 22, so it's all relative. I like having curves, and my husband likes them too.
But we will see. Right now I haven't been a 'healthy' weight in more than a decade, so my view of where I want to be is completely skewed. I may get down to where I think I want to be and decide to keep going. I may keep losing weight just because of the lifestyle changes I've made and being happy enough to not switch into maintenance straight away.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
See bolded. My point was that adding 20 years is no guarantee that numbers won't still look good. What you do is just as important than what you eat. Probably more so.
Again...going back to public health statistics. If one is overweight one's chances of developing health problems increase over time. If one is a healthy weight, those chances are lower. It's a game of risk. There are no guarantees in any scenario.0 -
0somuchbetter0 wrote: »
Again...going back to public health statistics. If one is overweight one's chances of developing health problems increase over time. If one is a healthy weight, those chances are lower. It's a game of risk. There are no guarantees in any scenario.
Agreed. Being overweight adds one risk factor.0 -
Welcome. I think it's great that you are working toward a healthier lifestyle!0
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I think that if 55 lbs is what you and your doctor set as the important milestone for reducing your likelihood of obesity related conditions then this is a good goal. Once you get there you and your doctor can access your health and decide if further action is warranted. Obviously exercise and better nutrition are great for everyone...
I agree with this. I'm not sure why people are worried about the final goal now, or would not see improvement as worthwhile even if they believe not being overweight is essential for health. Although I'm one for setting a final goal for motivation, you'll see advice that even focuses on just reducing weight by 10% as an achievable first step that will improve health or reduce risk/obesity-related issues.
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fat2fit4good wrote: »wow... what's with all this "do it 100% or don't do it at all" stuff? Not everything in life has to be 100%... do you really do everything in your life 100%? What if 50% is also great? Do you save 100% of the money you could save? Do you keep up with friends 100% as well as you should? Do you give your work 100%, 100% of the time? Do you donate 100% of the money you could donate? 50% of something good is still good!
I hope MFP doesn't turn us into the weight equivalent of those ex-smokers that will run and gag if they see someone light up a cigarette 50 yards away... :-) it's all good!
Super Agree. If her GOAL is to lose 55 lb and she does, then she has reached 100% of her goal. I might as well say, if you're not going for a PhD, don't even bother with kindergarten. Same thing! I mean, why would anyone want only 68% of an education?
<- is that smiley pooping?
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I'm more concerned with people's difficulty in quoting other posts.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »
I agree with this. I'm not sure why people are worried about the final goal now, or would not see improvement as worthwhile even if they believe not being overweight is essential for health. Although I'm one for setting a final goal for motivation, you'll see advice that even focuses on just reducing weight by 10% as an achievable first step that will improve health or reduce risk/obesity-related issues.uconnwinsnc1 wrote: »I'm more concerned with people's difficulty in quoting other posts.
In what way?
ETA Grr that should've been funny but my boss came over while I was trying to make epic quote fail happen. Sigh.
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Not at all. I thought that people would be able to identify with her song and feel uplifted at the message. You don't have to be a stick figure barbie to be happy.
If that's what you're into, then go ahead and move along...
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i've being here using MFP for while now, and never ever i have felt more ashamed to be part of this community , i've read some of your opinions and all i can said it's thank god many of you are not my "friends", calling this person lazy, telling her that she might well stay the way she is now, judging her with such cruelty in her FIRST WEEK!?
, you may not agree with OP but saying the things that many of you have said to her oh god no
if you are associating 100% the being thin or perfect weight to being healthy, you are so wrongggg -___-, and 6 years of med school and years of experience working with patients show me that
ps. TEA honey congrats on your first week, you are awesome0 -
Well considering I came from a size 22 - which is a real plus size - a size 10 is a great goal for me. I never once said it's the end game for me, I said I want to wear it, I want to fit into it.
Size 10 is not a plus size. Plus size lines start at 14. It may be a plus size for models, but a size 10 US is not a plus size. Maybe for some people because anything over a 4 is horrendous to even think about but for most of us out there, size 10 is not a plus size.
You can be overweight and healthy - athletes are overweight and healthy - they are not though, plus sized.
Is there an official definition of plus sized? Most US size 10 clothing would be too big for me, and I am overweight by 20 lbs.
Nope. "PLUS SIZED" IS SUBJECTIVE. Yes, "plus size" clothing lines often start at a size 14. "Plus size" models often start at a size 10. But the term "plus size" is defined by whoever is using it. I am a size 24 and consider myself plus sized, as most would. I also consider myself plus sized at a size 10.
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Well if you are 20 lbs over weight, what measure are you using? BMI because that's not the most fantastic thing to measure by.
Either way, I highly doubt the OP is looking at a size 10 thinking she will still be plus sized. Maybe, but I'm not thinking so.
I look at a size 10 and I want to be able to fit into it. I won't be the thinnest I could be, but I want to fit into it and see how I feel from there. Maybe it will be great, maybe it won't be. For the majority of women, in my experience, size 10 is perhaps a bit chunky but not plus sized. I'm also pretty tall at 5'9/10 so for me, that weight/size ratio could be different than yours0 -
Why are people concern trolling? An adult can make up her own mind about her own body, whether others approve, or understand, or not. This really burns my biscuits.0
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