Great new video which shows REAL women training!
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0somuchbetter0 wrote: »0somuchbetter0 wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »0somuchbetter0 wrote: »skullshank wrote: »OP please explain the use of the word "REAL" in your title.
I believe she means women who look like real people who sweat and have jiggly fat and whose makeup smears as opposed to perfect, flawless models.
This. Great ad showing 'real' life people exactly as they are without editing out the jiggly fat etc
Are you saying that models aren't real women?
Of course they're real, duh. But when they're doing photo shoots of "workouts" and someone off camera keeps rushing over to fix their hair, apply more makeup, fix the lighting, etc etc etc, it's not "real." You know exactly what the title meant.
Just some food for thought: Do you not think that this video had a whole cast of off-scene people working hard to portray a certain image in it's message?
Same thing just different target audience. It's all marketing so I guess these aren't real women either. This video is just extra jiggly on purpose.....nothing wrong with jiggly...to each their own....get you jiggly on if that's what motivates ya.
Yes, and it's a message well worth sharing, because for too long we've been pressured by the media to look a certain way. The message is this: that you don't have to look perfect and beautiful to go to the gym and exercise. That it's ok to sweat and have your hair look like *kitten* and for your mascara to run and for your *kitten* to jiggle. Even if you look like a hot mess, you should work out and enjoy it because it's fun and it's good for you.
So you're not cool with the media telling you to look a certain way, but you're cool with the media telling you to work out a certain way? Why do you need permission to go to the gym and exercise and have mascara in your face?
Also, I watched the video without the sound. I have to say, for a so-called women-focused ad, they focus an abnormal amount of time on closeups of bouncing breasts and butts.0 -
I took it as "real life women". as in not everyone working out looks like a Victoria Secret model. haha0
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0somuchbetter0 wrote: »0somuchbetter0 wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »0somuchbetter0 wrote: »skullshank wrote: »OP please explain the use of the word "REAL" in your title.
I believe she means women who look like real people who sweat and have jiggly fat and whose makeup smears as opposed to perfect, flawless models.
This. Great ad showing 'real' life people exactly as they are without editing out the jiggly fat etc
Are you saying that models aren't real women?
Of course they're real, duh. But when they're doing photo shoots of "workouts" and someone off camera keeps rushing over to fix their hair, apply more makeup, fix the lighting, etc etc etc, it's not "real." You know exactly what the title meant.
Just some food for thought: Do you not think that this video had a whole cast of off-scene people working hard to portray a certain image in it's message?
Same thing just different target audience. It's all marketing so I guess these aren't real women either. This video is just extra jiggly on purpose.....nothing wrong with jiggly...to each their own....get you jiggly on if that's what motivates ya.
Yes, and it's a message well worth sharing, because for too long we've been pressured by the media to look a certain way. The message is this: that you don't have to look perfect and beautiful to go to the gym and exercise. That it's ok to sweat and have your hair look like *kitten* and for your mascara to run and for your *kitten* to jiggle. Even if you look like a hot mess, you should work out and enjoy it because it's fun and it's good for you.
So you're not cool with the media telling you to look a certain way, but you're cool with the media telling you to work out a certain way? Why do you need permission to go to the gym and exercise and have mascara in your face?
Also, I watched the video without the sound. I have to say, for a so-called women-focused ad, they focus an abnormal amount of time on closeups of bouncing breasts and butts.
Re: the bolded part, you've got to be kidding, right? LOL...this is too much. I'm done with this thread... SMH0 -
So skinny chicks aren't real, you have to be fat to be a real woman. Got it.0
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I'd like to add some gratuitous giggling to prove my realness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SviZhEw3LJc 0 -
I'd like to add some gratuitous giggling to prove my realnesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SviZhEw3LJc
She's clearly not sweating enough to be a real woman. That therr is a twerkbot.0 -
0somuchbetter0 wrote: »
So you're not cool with the media telling you to look a certain way, but you're cool with the media telling you to work out a certain way? Why do you need permission to go to the gym and exercise and have mascara in your face?
Also, I watched the video without the sound. I have to say, for a so-called women-focused ad, they focus an abnormal amount of time on closeups of bouncing breasts and butts.
If you read the article link for the Telegraph that OP posted as well as the video, it mentions that
"After a lot of research with focus groups and having talked to many ordinary women on the street, Sport England identified that it is fear of judgment that prevents many women from doing exercise."
This video isn't about the media telling you that you have permission. It's about a government trying to tell women that it's ok to workout, and that you have the right to get some exercise, and be free of judgement whilst doing it. The young girl on the rowing machine and the girl from the spin class don't exactly look "jiggly" to me, they're being shown to work out hard and not worry about what they look like.0 -
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mustgetmuscles1 wrote: »The video was great and motivational. The use of the word "real" implies that if you are not jiggly or a sweaty mess then you are fake.
Can you imagine if a man posted this? The internet would break.
I know I'm hypersensitive to that lingo because of Mrs "Real American" Palin suggesting that my citizenship is somehow invalid because I live in a city, work at a desk and don't go to church.
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mangrothian wrote: »0somuchbetter0 wrote: »
So you're not cool with the media telling you to look a certain way, but you're cool with the media telling you to work out a certain way? Why do you need permission to go to the gym and exercise and have mascara in your face?
Also, I watched the video without the sound. I have to say, for a so-called women-focused ad, they focus an abnormal amount of time on closeups of bouncing breasts and butts.
If you read the article link for the Telegraph that OP posted as well as the video, it mentions that
"After a lot of research with focus groups and having talked to many ordinary women on the street, Sport England identified that it is fear of judgment that prevents many women from doing exercise."
This video isn't about the media telling you that you have permission. It's about a government trying to tell women that it's ok to workout, and that you have the right to get some exercise, and be free of judgement whilst doing it. The young girl on the rowing machine and the girl from the spin class don't exactly look "jiggly" to me, they're being shown to work out hard and not worry about what they look like.
I think you nailed it @mangrothian Apparently in the UK 2million fewer women then men exercise. In the rest of Europe there's no such disparity. Despite what some posters have claimed this isn't a marketing ploy, it's a public health message. Women should have the same access to physical health as men.0 -
That was an awesome and inspiring video, thanks0
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0somuchbetter0 wrote: »skullshank wrote: »OP please explain the use of the word "REAL" in your title.
I believe she means women who look like real people who sweat and have jiggly fat and whose makeup smears as opposed to perfect, flawless models.
This.
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A few points...you'd have to read the linked article to understand better:
1. This is not an advert selling an item or a lifestyle. It's a gov't agency promoting healthier lifestyles and exercise to get people who aren't traditionally inclined to exercise motivated. It's not selling an item or a lifestyle or a brand. It's underneath it all there to promote health and wellness.
2. I agree they should've had people lifting. If you followed the link at the beginning of the article, you'd see kettle bells and weightlifting featured. I think they selected a sampling of individual and group exercise that are easily accessible in most UK cities and towns. Crossfit is still in its' infancy in the UK and Ireland. http://www.thisgirlcan.co.uk/discover/
3.The use of the word real ....I meant what the I said above, no models or professional sports people or athletes. If I had it to do again, I'd leave out the real.
4. Still makes me, a somewhat lumpy middle aged woman want to get up and do my boot camp at 7am on a very very awful day so I think it's done its job!
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“It’s stuff like ‘I’m too fat to do this’ or ‘I’m not fit enough to go to that class’, or ‘If I get on that treadmill and press that button and fall off, I’m going to look really stupid and everybody is going to stare at me, and I’m certainly not going to wear those clothes to do it’.”
“We are trying to say it’s perfectly normal to feel like that, don’t beat yourself up about it.”
“This ad is trying to reach women who have felt for whatever reason that exercise or sport is not for them, that it’s an exclusive club they can’t join. And I think the most powerful way of doing that is to show women who look like you doing it and don’t be afraid if you wobble. It doesn’t matter. We all wobble.”0 -
I think (hope) the confusion is because people didn't read the article to define the context of the ad. It's not really aimed at the already-comfortable-exercising audience. It's aimed at those who feel there are barriers to them training.
I know for me, a gym (or class, or cross fit box, or running on the road, etc) can be extremely intimidating for people just starting to exercise. If you're a seasoned exercise expert, you might not know this or maybe you've been training so long you've forgotten.
Anyway, thanks for sharing your views. I do agree probably there was a better use than the word 'REAL' and maybe today I'll think of one when I'm sweating and nearly in tears with DOMs.0 -
Is there a thread anywhere on this "Community" that doesn't result in sarcastic criticism?? Seriously - makes you think long and hard about posting anything!0
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The idea to promote a more active lifestyle is great and I appreciate that some of the videos even cover everyday activity and not just in class, in gym exercise. But I'm curious about a few things:
Why does calling women "girls" in advertising about exercise empowerment get a pass. These aren't little girls they are active women. In a role reversal, a "this boy can" would be ludicrous. It's ok for the govt to be not only paternalistic but to insinuate that if you aren't out there in the gym, you are now failing (this girl can't...).
I sort of get the idea of creating visual role models from the hoi polloi - if they can, I can see that mentally it does work. But honestly, when I'm out there pushing myself to do something I'm shooting for not being just "able" but how far I can take myself. My role models are not the old fat guy (like me) going on his beater to buy groceries but the likes of Danny McAskill doing graceful things. Maybe it's me, but are you more motivated to go out and try something from a "them like me" point of view or from "human potential"? Why is it necessary to seperate the two? Or is the govt telling you - you'll never be a model but exercise anyway because it has social economic benefits.
I'm curious about thoughts and opinions on this.
Oh, who's Danny?
http://youtu.be/Cj6ho1-G6tw 0 -
0somuchbetter0 wrote: »skullshank wrote: »OP please explain the use of the word "REAL" in your title.
I believe she means women who look like real people who sweat and have jiggly fat and whose makeup smears as opposed to perfect, flawless models.
so if you dont have jiggly fat you're not 'real'????0 -
TavistockToad wrote: »0somuchbetter0 wrote: »skullshank wrote: »OP please explain the use of the word "REAL" in your title.
I believe she means women who look like real people who sweat and have jiggly fat and whose makeup smears as opposed to perfect, flawless models.
so if you dont have jiggly fat you're not 'real'????
OP here: Please go back and read a few posts back where I explained the purpose of the advert, the use of the word 'real' and the target audience.
Honestly, I didn't expect for this to be so controversial. I just wanted to share something I found motivating. I think I'll limit this type of posting to my own profile from now on.
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herrspoons wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »Why does calling women "girls" in advertising about exercise empowerment get a pass. These aren't little girls they are active women. In a role reversal, a "this boy can" would be ludicrous.
I think it's more a case of 'girls and guys' rather than 'girls and boys', so "this guy can't" would be a seamless substitution.
Possibly. I'm not convinced the ad people couldn't have done better.
Btw, I just asked my daughter about her climbing idol. You'll notice that at 19 she's called "woman" in the video below. Small things, perhaps I'm overeacting but I certainly can't go around saying "that girl" without sideways looks in my work environment. Those social connotations do exist.
http://youtu.be/jYU53DYXokY 0 -
TavistockToad wrote: »0somuchbetter0 wrote: »skullshank wrote: »OP please explain the use of the word "REAL" in your title.
I believe she means women who look like real people who sweat and have jiggly fat and whose makeup smears as opposed to perfect, flawless models.
so if you dont have jiggly fat you're not 'real'????
OP here: Please go back and read a few posts back where I explained the purpose of the advert, the use of the word 'real' and the target audience.
Honestly, I didn't expect for this to be so controversial. I just wanted to share something I found motivating. I think I'll limit this type of posting to my own profile from now on.
Don't get upset. Glad you posted, all discussion about language, image and how we perceive ourselves (and how advertising and marketing influence that) is healthy.0 -
Love the video. It made me smile and feel good about myself and my imperfect body. Made me want to Work out Again.... (did my workout this morning, even when I don´t enjoy working out).
OP: The post worked for me like you hoped: It was super-motivational. Thanks. Forget the haters ;-)0 -
So skinny chicks aren't real, you have to be fat to be a real woman. Got it.
I don't get it either...I didn't have any issues with the video per se trying to reach a certain demographic of women to encourage fitness....Only with the OP saying "real". Coming from a former fat chick....if I've worked hard to reach my goals and am no longer out of shape...maybe even looking a little ripped would I no longer be "real"?
I'm not ripped yet, but I will be eventually and I'd still think of myself as a "real" woman.
I don't think it's splitting hairs. I think language choice is important. I get that it was probably meant in the spirit of perhaps the "average" woman, but by choosing the word real, it implies a sense of judgement that women who are in top form are somehow not real or something. I did note the posts of the OP explaining her meaning. I get it...real = sweaty and not over edited portrayal, etc. Just a lesson on how language is important.
fwiw, I don't sweat buckets when I work out. I sweat a little, but I'm not leaking all over like some. That, too, is kind of an individual thing. I'd hate for someone to think I'm not working hard because sweat is not running off me. I kind of wish I would sweat more and then the heat wouldn't bother me as much as it does 0 -
Ok, I've said what I have to say. If there are mods and they want to close this thread, that's fine. I already stated many posts back the use of the word 'real' could have been chosen more carefully, had I been aware of the pre-existing culture of this board and this forum specifically. Consider me well-slapped on the wrist and contrite.
I think language is contextual and cultural. Things like woman/girl man/guy aren't a big deal in my own cultural and linguistic environment. People don't take offense to things like this where I live. It's not a political, gender, feminist or media statement in my mind.
People who look for offense will usually find it, even in the most positive of messages. Maybe just take things at face value sometimes and enjoy the simple things in life!
Red Alert Storm warning here. Instead of worrying if a brick blows through my window, I'm more worried if I'll be able to get up the road in my car to go training! *That's something worth worrying about!*0 -
herrspoons wrote: »I'm surprised at the level of oversensitivity here. Frankly, it's bordering on insecurity.
If you've achieved your goals, are thin/ripped/toned then congratulations. However, this video is not for you. It's for the people who are starting out or part way through the journey, and who need motivation or reassurance that shows women who look like they do succeeding.
It's not about you. Try to understand that.
It's not the video. It's the implication of "real". Deciding who is real and who is not is a judgement. I get that maybe wasn't her intent, but that's how language works.
I only used the ripped as an example. I'm not there, so it's definitely not about me.
Turn it around to a video showing hairy men and saying here's a video of "real" men. Would that not imply judgement that men who don't grow as much body hair are somehow less manly? I won't even get into cultural or racial examples and how language matters.
That's all my point is...be careful with language
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Thanks for sharing.
And the tearing apart instead of lifting up is so boring already. This place is hypocritical in its message, as in one situation we are supposed to be perfectly semantic (like in this thread), but in the next we don't have to bother (density). Whatever.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »...
My role models are not the old fat guy (like me) going on his beater to buy groceries but the likes of Danny McAskill doing graceful things.
...http://youtu.be/Cj6ho1-G6tw
Seen this one yet? It is another one with Danny Macaskill and absolutely stunning. And the beautiful music was composed by Martyn Bennett, who passed away at 30+ due to cancer.
http://youtu.be/xQ_IQS3VKjA 0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »...
My role models are not the old fat guy (like me) going on his beater to buy groceries but the likes of Danny McAskill doing graceful things.
...http://youtu.be/Cj6ho1-G6tw
Seen this one yet? It is another one with Danny Macaskill and absolutely stunning. And the beautiful music was composed by Martyn Bennett, who passed away at 30+ due to cancer.http://youtu.be/xQ_IQS3VKjA
Absolutely stunning !! I had not seen that one, I've watched most of his other stuff dozens of times. As gave my girls. Thank you. Now I know where I want to go hiking next.
My inquiry was real - the visual examples, possible motivation, that I share is often of this caliber. Perhaps I should also include every day type stuff. Who knows.0 -
mustgetmuscles1 wrote: »The video was great and motivational. The use of the word "real" implies that if you are not jiggly or a sweaty mess then you are fake.
Can you imagine if a man posted this? The internet would break.
I know I'm hypersensitive to that lingo because of Mrs "Real American" Palin suggesting that my citizenship is somehow invalid because I live in a city, work at a desk and don't go to church.
***FOUL*** For attempting to highjack the thread and turn it into a private political discussion. There was already enough anger with adding more ignorance into the conversation. And I'm a Conservative Liberal so just don't...=)
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"Great new video which shows REAL women training!"
changed to
"Great new video which shows the stereotypical type of "real" women who are not in the greatest shape but are trying really hard and may only be just beginning and not the stereotypical fitness model who is also a "real" woman but that a lot of people think crowd the gym and will snicker and make fun of the others just beginning even though they wouldn't and understand that it's hard work and everyone has to start somewhere training!"
there I fixed it ... this is only my opinion on what the OP meant
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