So you want a nice stomach

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  • Lillypearl62
    Lillypearl62 Posts: 23 Member
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  • I did my first 6 months of diet & exercise without weights and lost weight, but not really inches like I thought.
    I now combine lifting, cardio & toning with the a healthy diet and protein shakes and only since doing that has my shape started to change.
  • moonbm46
    moonbm46 Posts: 5 Member
    I started lifting Monday (Stronglifts) and I'm sooooo excited! Thanks for your post and your patient and thoughtful answers to everyone's questions and concerns!
  • shelleygold
    shelleygold Posts: 178 Member
    Hey usmcmp, you are clearly the champion of insight and knowledge here so may I ask you a brief question with the hope that I am not interfering with existing thread(s)? If I am, please let me know and I will send you a private message so as not to detract from the flow of your conversations with people. You are entitled to that degree of courtesy since you must spend a great deal of time both contemplating and then responding to your readers.
    Here is my situation (and I do not mind if others would like to add a thought or two).
    Yesterday, I chose to eat an enormous amount of food; most of which was high in saturated fat, salt and sugar. The scales this morning told the story of an increase from 92.4 to 96 (kg). I find myself panicking a bit and obsessing about getting to the gym and beginning the self flagellation one part of me things I deserve. I have been engaging in this quasi type of bing behaviour on a decreasing basis but when it happens, I worry about the sharp spikes in my blood-sugar levels, the implications for enormous insulin production, the rapid storage of fat and the introduction of some very unnecessary and unhealthy oils and chemicals. So what are the questions:
    1. Is it normal to have such an increase in weight?
    2. How long might it take for the body to restore its homeostasis?
    3. Is there anything I can do after the fact to help my body recover after this type of "eatathon"? in terms of food and water?

    Thank you
    S
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    edited January 2015
    Hey usmcmp, you are clearly the champion of insight and knowledge here so may I ask you a brief question with the hope that I am not interfering with existing thread(s)? If I am, please let me know and I will send you a private message so as not to detract from the flow of your conversations with people. You are entitled to that degree of courtesy since you must spend a great deal of time both contemplating and then responding to your readers.
    Here is my situation (and I do not mind if others would like to add a thought or two).
    Yesterday, I chose to eat an enormous amount of food; most of which was high in saturated fat, salt and sugar. The scales this morning told the story of an increase from 92.4 to 96 (kg). I find myself panicking a bit and obsessing about getting to the gym and beginning the self flagellation one part of me things I deserve. I have been engaging in this quasi type of bing behaviour on a decreasing basis but when it happens, I worry about the sharp spikes in my blood-sugar levels, the implications for enormous insulin production, the rapid storage of fat and the introduction of some very unnecessary and unhealthy oils and chemicals. So what are the questions:
    1. Is it normal to have such an increase in weight?
    2. How long might it take for the body to restore its homeostasis?
    3. Is there anything I can do after the fact to help my body recover after this type of "eatathon"? in terms of food and water?

    Thank you
    S

    @shelleygold

    I'll answer here just in case others are curious as well, but if you have further questions I'd like to continue by private message.

    First of all you are way over thinking the entire fat/sugar/insulin thing. Insulin is not just used to store fat, it's also an important part of stimulating muscle growth. Worrying about all of that is majoring in the minors.

    When we eat a significant amount of food our weight will spike. This comes from a few factors. The first is glycogen. Our glycogen stores deplete when we start dieting, which is one of the reasons we tend to lose more in the first weeks than we do after the first month. The second is that many of us eat a lot more sodium and carbs when we binge, which would increase water weight. Another factor is simply food volume. You usually eat a certain amount of pounds in a day (most studies say 1.5 to 2.5 kg), so when you eat twice that you're going to have extra weight in your digestive tract for a few days.

    1. Gaining 3.6 kg isn't unheard of. After a binge most people see about a 2.5 kg increase.
    2. It could take a week or even two weeks to return to normal. Your body will take a bit to burn through the glycogen. You'll eventually flush out the excess water. After a few days you should pass the extra food volume.
    3. The best thing you can do for your body and your mental health after having a calorie surplus day (or even few days) is to go do some sort of resistance training. You're going to have extra energy and that means a bit more fuel for muscles. Now you haven't really ruined your progress, you've fed your muscles well. Return to a balanced diet and maybe drink a little bit of extra water (your weight could go up a little bit more, but it will drop).

    I struggled with binge eating for a long time and I've done a lot to overcome it. The biggest thing that helped was setting an appropriate calorie goal. I say it all the time on here, but for most people the two pounds a week goal doesn't give them enough calories to be sustainable. Setting it to one pound a week or even half a pound a week can do a lot to prevent binge eating. The other reasons many people struggle with binge eating is unnecessary dietary restriction (which we fix by making sure they include treats) and habit (which we fix by recognizing the habit, like how I always eat an entire box of Swiss Cake Rolls).

    I hope this helps explain it a bit and help you get back on track. Now is a good time to reflect on what the circumstances were that lead you to binge. Once you understand why it happens you can work to fix that. Above all, further restriction or punishing yourself for a binge will lead to another one.
  • disturbed_s
    disturbed_s Posts: 40 Member
    Wow lots of good stuff in here, and congrats on your awesome transformation!! I just want to see if anyone has any other hints or tips because I feel like I'm getting disheartened and scared of going off track. My typical routine is this..45-60 mins cardio min 500 cal burn, eat carbs til lunch (although I don't eat bread, pasta, potatoes, peas or corn) protein with each meal, 5 or 6x meals daily, late afternoon I'll do weight training 5x a week (following legion training program), I'll have a protein shake usually as afternoon snack and dinner is lean meat/chicken/fish and salad or veges. I have one day a week full rest with no cardio or weights, cardio 6 days. My results have been what I think slow for the amount of effort I feel I put in but that's ok, I'm getting there slowly. I still weigh my food as much as possible. I'm eating around 1200-1400 daily and not eating back any exercise calories usually. (I'm only 5'2) but going by the TDEE - 25% it says I should eat around 1660 or so. If I change to this now after eating at the lower for months, would this make me put on some of what I have lost? Which is the better method to go by? I started at 93.8kg and currently 77.6kg...aiming to get to 60kg but it seems so far away!! Any advice appreciated, thanks so much :)
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    Wow lots of good stuff in here, and congrats on your awesome transformation!! I just want to see if anyone has any other hints or tips because I feel like I'm getting disheartened and scared of going off track. My typical routine is this..45-60 mins cardio min 500 cal burn, eat carbs til lunch (although I don't eat bread, pasta, potatoes, peas or corn) protein with each meal, 5 or 6x meals daily, late afternoon I'll do weight training 5x a week (following legion training program), I'll have a protein shake usually as afternoon snack and dinner is lean meat/chicken/fish and salad or veges. I have one day a week full rest with no cardio or weights, cardio 6 days. My results have been what I think slow for the amount of effort I feel I put in but that's ok, I'm getting there slowly. I still weigh my food as much as possible. I'm eating around 1200-1400 daily and not eating back any exercise calories usually. (I'm only 5'2) but going by the TDEE - 25% it says I should eat around 1660 or so. If I change to this now after eating at the lower for months, would this make me put on some of what I have lost? Which is the better method to go by? I started at 93.8kg and currently 77.6kg...aiming to get to 60kg but it seems so far away!! Any advice appreciated, thanks so much :)

    More isn't always better. We have a variety of hormones that get out of balance anyway when we diet. Adding in a bunch of cardio and strength training on top of not fueling your body is going to cause an imbalance in leptin and cortisol. Drop some of the cardio and increase your calories. There's nothing wrong with bread, pasta, potatoes, peas or corn. Carbs are actually one of the things that help keep our leptin levels close to normal.

    Even at 5'2", with your activity level you should be eating at least 1600 calories. Possibly even more. Try it out for a month. You may see a small spike on the scale initially, but it won't last.
  • shelleygold
    shelleygold Posts: 178 Member
    I truly appreciate your response and information. What a wealth of information you are. Thanks
  • Don't forget! It does not matter male or female, if you want that mid section right, it is not just the abs. you have to work the obliques also!
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    Don't forget! It does not matter male or female, if you want that mid section right, it is not just the abs. you have to work the obliques also!

    This thread really wasn't about ab workouts. There are lots of those threads. This is about fat loss. Many people don't even want visible abs, they just want a flat stomach. That's why I chose to use stomach in the title instead of six pack or ripped abs.
  • TFG_em
    TFG_em Posts: 174 Member
    Definitely some great advice. Important things to keep in mind. Too many people think starving yourself is the answer.
  • nadiaruizdc
    nadiaruizdc Posts: 3 Member
    Thank you! I'll keep in mind the part about strength training. I used to do crunches all the time and only saw I was building resistance but no actual results. I guess that and eating poorly also contributed to no getting flat. But now, counting calories and strength training, I know I'll get the body I want...slowly but surely.
  • ilirlena40
    ilirlena40 Posts: 9 Member
    usmcmp wrote: »
    NO! Just no! This is a BS product and does not help.

    ETA: This was in response to a spam post, not my original post.

    Does it matter what you eat as long as you are in a calorie deficit
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    ilirlena40 wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    NO! Just no! This is a BS product and does not help.

    ETA: This was in response to a spam post, not my original post.

    Does it matter what you eat as long as you are in a calorie deficit

    Not particularity, unless it impacts overall dietary adherence. However, you should strive to get the majority of your food intake from nutrient dense whole food sources for general health and well being.
  • amberzart
    amberzart Posts: 3
    edited January 2015
    usmcmp wrote: »
    My suggestion is about 1gram of protein per pound of lean mass. !

    How do I know what my lean mass would be? Sorry I'm a newbie to the fitness world but I want to learn more. Great advise too by the way!

  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    amberzart wrote: »
    My suggestion is about 1gram of protein per pound of lean mass.

    How do I know what my lean mass would be? Sorry I'm a newbie to the fitness world but I want to learn more. Great advise too by the way!

    Do you know about what your body fat is? You can find your lean mass if you know your approximate body fat. You don't really have any pictures or information that could help me guess, so a starting point would be your body weight x .75 and that would give you around what your protein should be. Could be a bit lower, but it's a start.
  • ilirlena40
    ilirlena40 Posts: 9 Member

    Usmcmp Does it matter what you eat as long as you are in a calorie deficit to lose weight? Thanks
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    ilirlena40 wrote: »
    Usmcmp Does it matter what you eat as long as you are in a calorie deficit to lose weight? Thanks

    LolBroScience already gave you the answer I would. You can lose weight eating whatever you want. If all you eat is pizza and ice cream you would have a hard time sticking to your calorie goal. If you want to lose weight and focus on health you'll need to eat mostly nutrient dense foods (fruits, vegetables, lean meats) while still enjoying treats.
  • lishie_rebooted
    lishie_rebooted Posts: 2,973 Member
    ilirlena40 wrote: »
    Usmcmp Does it matter what you eat as long as you are in a calorie deficit to lose weight? Thanks
    You already asked this and someone responded:

    ilirlena40 wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    NO! Just no! This is a BS product and does not help.

    ETA: This was in response to a spam post, not my original post.

    Does it matter what you eat as long as you are in a calorie deficit

    Not particularity, unless it impacts overall dietary adherence. However, you should strive to get the majority of your food intake from nutrient dense whole food sources for general health and well being.

    @LOLbroscience is just as well versed

  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    ilirlena40 wrote: »
    Usmcmp Does it matter what you eat as long as you are in a calorie deficit to lose weight? Thanks
    You already asked this and someone responded:

    ilirlena40 wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    NO! Just no! This is a BS product and does not help.

    ETA: This was in response to a spam post, not my original post.

    Does it matter what you eat as long as you are in a calorie deficit

    Not particularity, unless it impacts overall dietary adherence. However, you should strive to get the majority of your food intake from nutrient dense whole food sources for general health and well being.

    @LOLbroscience is just as well versed

    He actually text me this morning to tell me that he had replied. I didn't even need to ask what he said because I knew that his advice was solid.