If the av person should eat 2000, then why can I only eat 1650 to maintain? Bummer!!
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Katerina9408 wrote: »Mmm OK
Continue to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast, spend 2 h in the gym and tell yourself that you are doing good job (y)
Bacon and eggs are so tasty. What a great idea.
Good luck with your Vegan life.
http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/04/01/study-vegetarians-less-healthy-lower-quality-of-life-than-meat-eaters/0 -
cyberblonde wrote: »I know I am most of the day inactive as I have a desk job, but i exercise 3 to 4 times a week which I will be adding to the 1650 cals I have been given.
Just seems cray to me that we are alway told that 2000 cals a day are the amount an average person should eat per day. I would put on weight at that level.
Maybe the average person runs 5km per day too?!
I don't think that 2000 is for the average person. I think it's just a nice round number they picked to measure calorie percentages by that is sort of reasonable.
I don't know about the U.S. of A. but here in Canada, 2000, calories a day is the recommended daily caloric intake for the average person (women only, there is a scale for men as well). Average being, 5' 5"to 5' 10". The dietician I went to last year insisted I eat 2000 calories a day to lose weight. I gained 30 pounds before I finally said screw this. I started my own thing in December and have lost 22 pounds and an inch everywhere. So, I guess what you will have to do is gradually increase your exercise and maybe re-think your food intake.0 -
cyberblonde wrote: »I know I am most of the day inactive as I have a desk job, but i exercise 3 to 4 times a week which I will be adding to the 1650 cals I have been given.
Just seems cray to me that we are alway told that 2000 cals a day are the amount an average person should eat per day. I would put on weight at that level.
Maybe the average person runs 5km per day too?!
I don't think that 2000 is for the average person. I think it's just a nice round number they picked to measure calorie percentages by that is sort of reasonable.
I don't know about the U.S. of A. but here in Canada, 2000, calories a day is the recommended daily caloric intake for the average person (women only, there is a scale for men as well). Average being, 5' 5"to 5' 10". The dietician I went to last year insisted I eat 2000 calories a day to lose weight. I gained 30 pounds before I finally said screw this. I started my own thing in December and have lost 22 pounds and an inch everywhere. So, I guess what you will have to do is gradually increase your exercise and maybe re-think your food intake.
huh? the same for everyone at every age and weight? that makes no sense! Are you sure this is a canadian thing and not just that you had a bad dietician?0 -
As people are pointing out, bacon and eggs is a fairly low calorie breakfast. Keeps me full and happy until lunch.
It's a lower calorie breakfast than the monster bowl of oatmeal I need to stay full until lunch. (I do eat it, however, on mornings I do a really long swim)
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this explains the history behind 2000 on labels. it doesn't seem like it's really an exact recommendation for anyone, but more like a round number based on self-reported data.
http://www.foodpolitics.com/2011/08/where-did-the-2000-calorie-diet-idea-come-from/0 -
Katerina9408 wrote: »
Mmm OKamyrebeccah wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
It depends what you eat. Carbs burn faster then fat so try to concentrate on simple carbs like fruits and veggies for protein : you can make chickpease, lentils,beans.cyberblonde wrote: »I know I am most of the day inactive as I have a desk job, but i exercise 3 to 4 times a week which I will be adding to the 1650 cals I have been given.
Just seems cray to me that we are alway told that 2000 cals a day are the amount an average person should eat per day. I would put on weight at that level.
Maybe the average person runs 5km per day too?!
Continue to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast, spend 2 h in the gym and tell yourself that you are doing good job (y)
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
Dear jof:
You are doing good job.
Love,
Jof0 -
I think calorie needs can be thought of like a percentile chart. The 2000 recommendation may be the 50th percentile, but there will be outliers who fall well above or below. I know for me, I'm eating over 300 calories more than what some calculators say I should need, but yet I'm still only maintaining my weight. There are several factors that go into calorie needs, especially muscle to body fat ratio.0
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
Mmm OKamyrebeccah wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
It depends what you eat. Carbs burn faster then fat so try to concentrate on simple carbs like fruits and veggies for protein : you can make chickpease, lentils,beans.cyberblonde wrote: »I know I am most of the day inactive as I have a desk job, but i exercise 3 to 4 times a week which I will be adding to the 1650 cals I have been given.
Just seems cray to me that we are alway told that 2000 cals a day are the amount an average person should eat per day. I would put on weight at that level.
Maybe the average person runs 5km per day too?! Continue to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast, spend 2 h in the gym and tell yourself that you are doing good job (y)
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
Dear jof:
You are doing good job.
Love,
Jof
LOL, I think I'm doing a better job. Mmmmmmm, pepperoni.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/Queenbishotuniverse0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »I think calorie needs can be thought of like a percentile chart. The 2000 recommendation may be the 50th percentile, but there will be outliers who fall well above or below. I know for me, I'm eating over 300 calories more than what some calculators say I should need, but yet I'm still only maintaining my weight. There are several factors that go into calorie needs, especially muscle to body fat ratio.
My calculated TDEE with minimal exercise is ~3500. Some calculators would suggest I should be gaining 3-4 pounds/week even though that's my maintenance. I feel bad for my counterparts on the opposite end of the spectrum.0 -
QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
Mmm OKamyrebeccah wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
It depends what you eat. Carbs burn faster then fat so try to concentrate on simple carbs like fruits and veggies for protein : you can make chickpease, lentils,beans.cyberblonde wrote: »I know I am most of the day inactive as I have a desk job, but i exercise 3 to 4 times a week which I will be adding to the 1650 cals I have been given.
Just seems cray to me that we are alway told that 2000 cals a day are the amount an average person should eat per day. I would put on weight at that level.
Maybe the average person runs 5km per day too?! Continue to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast, spend 2 h in the gym and tell yourself that you are doing good job (y)
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
Dear jof:
You are doing good job.
Love,
Jof
LOL, I think I'm doing a better job. Mmmmmmm, pepperoni.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/Queenbishotuniverse
Your macro targets make me cringe a little.
Also, I was talking to pre-cut jof...say, late 2014.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »I think calorie needs can be thought of like a percentile chart. The 2000 recommendation may be the 50th percentile, but there will be outliers who fall well above or below. I know for me, I'm eating over 300 calories more than what some calculators say I should need, but yet I'm still only maintaining my weight. There are several factors that go into calorie needs, especially muscle to body fat ratio.
More like an x y graph thingy with lots of dots all over the place and a single neat line drawn through it all. Good luck finding yourself nicely sitting on the line...0 -
they key is 2000 a day AVERAGE. Everyone is different. Obviously a 5'1 female isn't going to eat as much as a 6'5 male. You need to set your diet based on your activity level, age, height, etc. Everyone is different.0
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Katerina9408 wrote: »
Mmm OKamyrebeccah wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
It depends what you eat. Carbs burn faster then fat so try to concentrate on simple carbs like fruits and veggies for protein : you can make chickpease, lentils,beans.cyberblonde wrote: »I know I am most of the day inactive as I have a desk job, but i exercise 3 to 4 times a week which I will be adding to the 1650 cals I have been given.
Just seems cray to me that we are alway told that 2000 cals a day are the amount an average person should eat per day. I would put on weight at that level.
Maybe the average person runs 5km per day too?! Continue to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast, spend 2 h in the gym and tell yourself that you are doing good job (y)
Sounds good to me. Actually kind of sounds like what I eat MOST mornings...and I'm down almost 50 pounds. Weird...0 -
Edwardshar wrote: »they key is 2000 a day AVERAGE. Everyone is different. Obviously a 5'1 female isn't going to eat as much as a 6'5 male. You need to set your diet based on your activity level, age, height, etc. Everyone is different.
but it's not average. it's a round number they came up with based on self-reported numbers which are completely biased and it's for people to tweek for themselves.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
Mmm OKamyrebeccah wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
It depends what you eat. Carbs burn faster then fat so try to concentrate on simple carbs like fruits and veggies for protein : you can make chickpease, lentils,beans.cyberblonde wrote: »I know I am most of the day inactive as I have a desk job, but i exercise 3 to 4 times a week which I will be adding to the 1650 cals I have been given.
Just seems cray to me that we are alway told that 2000 cals a day are the amount an average person should eat per day. I would put on weight at that level.
Maybe the average person runs 5km per day too?! Continue to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast, spend 2 h in the gym and tell yourself that you are doing good job (y)
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
Dear jof:
You are doing good job.
Love,
Jof
LOL, I think I'm doing a better job. Mmmmmmm, pepperoni.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/Queenbishotuniverse
Your macro targets make me cringe a little.
Also, I was talking to pre-cut jof...say, late 2014.
Protein goal was higher (around 123g) for almost a year, trying something different for a little while. Today was obviously a f-it day.0 -
QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
Mmm OKamyrebeccah wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
It depends what you eat. Carbs burn faster then fat so try to concentrate on simple carbs like fruits and veggies for protein : you can make chickpease, lentils,beans.cyberblonde wrote: »I know I am most of the day inactive as I have a desk job, but i exercise 3 to 4 times a week which I will be adding to the 1650 cals I have been given.
Just seems cray to me that we are alway told that 2000 cals a day are the amount an average person should eat per day. I would put on weight at that level.
Maybe the average person runs 5km per day too?! Continue to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast, spend 2 h in the gym and tell yourself that you are doing good job (y)
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
Dear jof:
You are doing good job.
Love,
Jof
LOL, I think I'm doing a better job. Mmmmmmm, pepperoni.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/Queenbishotuniverse
Your macro targets make me cringe a little.
Also, I was talking to pre-cut jof...say, late 2014.
Protein goal was higher (around 123g) for almost a year, trying something different for a little while. Today was obviously a f-it day.
Perhaps today was the result of the decreased protein.0 -
cyberblonde wrote: »I know I am most of the day inactive as I have a desk job, but i exercise 3 to 4 times a week which I will be adding to the 1650 cals I have been given.
Just seems cray to me that we are alway told that 2000 cals a day are the amount an average person should eat per day. I would put on weight at that level.
Maybe the average person runs 5km per day too?!
OP, back to your question and lets address the issues.
You want to increase your cals?
From your profile you've yoy-yo dieted - which means that you've lost LBM along the way.
It seems from this post that your focus is running?
Do you do any significant resistance training?
If you want to increase your TDEE (or make those jeans look great, like you state in your profile) progressive resistance training should also be part of your exercise routine. Why?
For every pound of muscle that you add - you'll have 7-21 cals of increase in base BMR (multiply that by your activity level and it can add up a little - a year of training may give to a maintenance TDEE of 2000+).
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
Mmm OKamyrebeccah wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
It depends what you eat. Carbs burn faster then fat so try to concentrate on simple carbs like fruits and veggies for protein : you can make chickpease, lentils,beans.cyberblonde wrote: »I know I am most of the day inactive as I have a desk job, but i exercise 3 to 4 times a week which I will be adding to the 1650 cals I have been given.
Just seems cray to me that we are alway told that 2000 cals a day are the amount an average person should eat per day. I would put on weight at that level.
Maybe the average person runs 5km per day too?! Continue to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast, spend 2 h in the gym and tell yourself that you are doing good job (y)
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
Dear jof:
You are doing good job.
Love,
Jof
LOL, I think I'm doing a better job. Mmmmmmm, pepperoni.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/Queenbishotuniverse
Your macro targets make me cringe a little.
Also, I was talking to pre-cut jof...say, late 2014.
Protein goal was higher (around 123g) for almost a year, trying something different for a little while. Today was obviously a f-it day.
Perhaps today was the result of the decreased protein.
Maybe. But honestly, I'm probably closer to 123 on protein more often then not. Most of my recipes and meals are designed with that goal in mind.0 -
Katerina9408 wrote: »Ok people this is my opinion do whatever you wish.But if you haven't pay at least 5 min to research for this don't say that it is "nonsence". B
How about "absolute twaddle" then?
I like "utter buffoonery"
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I have a question which may or may not open up a can of worms.
I was always told by both medical practitioners and the lay man that 2000 kcals are the average for a woman and 2500 for a man.
So to lose weight hover around 1500 kcals as a woman, but if 2000 is in actuality a number they just picked out of thin air and the "real" number for a lot of women are a lot less than that why is it so unreasonable to have a 1200 kcal diet?
Many medical practitioners I know frown upon eating that little and even though I don't believe everything a doctor tells me surely there must be a basis for that number other than doctors just sat around and picked it out of a hat.0 -
In everything that can be quantified, there is an average, a median, a mean, and a mode. Somewhere right around less than half of people fall below the average, and somewhere right around less than half of people are above the average. Then there's the median, which would be a little more close to a true center, but that would probably be something like 2,065 k/cal, and rounding down from that is more data/user-friendly.
If there was such a thing as a quantifiable nerd scale, I am probably not setting the median.
As far as what you are allowed to eat to maintain, you can always up your exercise intensity and duration to eat more. If I know I'm going to be eating a special meal with dessert, I get in a 40-70 minute bike ride with interval sprints and maybe lift a few weights.0 -
Yeah! In for anti-eggers! (Only because I don't like eggs. If they're baked in a cake...that's a different story)amyrebeccah wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
Mmm OKamyrebeccah wrote: »Katerina9408 wrote: »
It depends what you eat. Carbs burn faster then fat so try to concentrate on simple carbs like fruits and veggies for protein : you can make chickpease, lentils,beans.cyberblonde wrote: »I know I am most of the day inactive as I have a desk job, but i exercise 3 to 4 times a week which I will be adding to the 1650 cals I have been given.
Just seems cray to me that we are alway told that 2000 cals a day are the amount an average person should eat per day. I would put on weight at that level.
Maybe the average person runs 5km per day too?! Continue to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast, spend 2 h in the gym and tell yourself that you are doing good job (y)
Well how could I possibly argue with logic like that?
At least she has brought us something new. You don't get a lot of Pro-Carb/Anti-eggers around here.
Katerina, how do you feel about sugar?
OP, when I first started to learn about calories and maintenance I was having similar thoughts to yours. It seems like everyone generally answered your questions. Size definitely makes a difference.0 -
If I ate bacon and eggs and was able to hit the gym for 2 hours each day..I would not be here that's for sure!! I'd be on a beach in a small bikini! I know this bc before my back injury that is very close to what I ate and how I worked out. Oh to have that body again! Can I go back to 27 years old?? lol!0
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sorry..got caught up in that convo! You can search the web for tools that plug in your age, weight and height and it will tell you exactly how many calories you need to maintain..and what is "normal" for your body.0
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Katerina9408 wrote: »Lrdoflamancha wrote: »It depends what you eat. Carbs burn faster then fat so try to concentrate on simple carbs like fruits and veggies for protein : you can make chickpease, lentils,beans
I must ask are you a troll or do you believe this?
Could you please quote correctly. Now it seems like you posted the nonsense.
It is not nonsence research for yourself
Actually, it is nonsense. It makes absolutely no sense.0 -
Katerina9408 wrote: »Ok people this is my opinion do whatever you wish.But if you haven't pay at least 5 min to research for this don't say that it is "nonsence". B
How about "absolute twaddle" then?
Absolute twaddle - one of my favorite phrases...0 -
Katerina9408 wrote: »Ok people this is my opinion do whatever you wish.But if you haven't pay at least 5 min to research for this don't say that it is "nonsence". B
Big assumption - that people have not. Can you point us to your 'research'. Did it take you 5 minutes?-1 -
OP the average person needs more calories to maintain weight than I do because the average person is taller, heavier, younger and more active than I am.
Half of them are also the gender that required more calories than my gender.
My individual net maitenance calories are 1710 ( borne out by real life results > 1 year)
If yours are about the same you probably have similar stats to me. If they are very different you probably have different stats.
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The 2000 calorie bit is somewhat of an urban legend. There was an article about it not too long ago on how it came to be. It was a rather long & complicated calculation of a accumulation of stats & #s based on the average person.
SO if one does not conform to that 'average' person's height, weight, & build then the 2000 logically would not work.
Go by your TDEE is the more reliable route from my own personal experience.0 -
The conclusion I have come up with: the average person is not intended to live a sedentary/desk job life. We're meant to be active, to be doers moreso than watchers.
I mean no offense - I have a desk job and including intentional exercise & activity I burn 1800-1900 most days and occasionally 2000-2300 on very active days. If I did not make the effort I'd come in around 1500-1600 probably 5-6 days every week.
This was a big eye opener for me, and what actually allowed me to lose my extra baggage once and for all. Counting calories was only part of it - understanding how much I burn in a day was necessary for real change. With that information, I made the choice to no longer be sedentary, desk job or not. This was why I gained weight in the first place - I was eating the typical 2k per day (or more) but moving very little...cyberblonde wrote: »I know I am most of the day inactive as I have a desk job, but i exercise 3 to 4 times a week which I will be adding to the 1650 cals I have been given.
Just seems cray to me that we are alway told that 2000 cals a day are the amount an average person should eat per day. I would put on weight at that level.
Maybe the average person runs 5km per day too?!
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