Starvation mode. Myth or Fact?
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yep!!TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »First of all yes your right it can be pretty snarky here lol.
But dont give up hun. You can do this. You already lost 21 pounds.
So stick to your plan and be determent, despite what others say.
Its the internet people are like this.
Just try to step over it....
You can do it!!
just because some peoples advice isn't fluffy, sugarcoated or didn't say what you wanted to hear doesn't make them wrong.
when coming on a public internet forum, you definitely have to put your grown up pants on and also develop a thick skin. Take or leave what you wish.
But leaving the forum isn't going to be of any help to you, and you'll miss out on lots of great advice and info
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It's not starvation mode. There is such a thing but it doesn't make you stop losing weight and you literally have to be starving for it to be a potential issue. When a person is obese, they will often have a massive drop of weight at first. I probably lost a good five pounds that first week just from steering away from regular soda alone. It's also true that the closer you get to a healthy weight, the more accurate logging will matter in order to drop any weight if you are counting calories. If I were you, I'd tighten up the logging because accuracy helps. Sure, some people can manage okay without it just as some people manage without a tool like MFP but it's much easier using the right combination of tools.0
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It's not all about you @MrM27 . A few posters have made comments about accurate logging, as they do when someone is posting about a weight loss stall. These comments often come across as accusatory. There are also comments from posters who haven't bothered to read the thread that are arrogant and unhelpful - to be expected on these forums.
I didn't have a scale for about the first 50 lbs of weight loss. A scale is not necessary for weight loss. Logging is not necessary for weight loss. Both can provide useful information that helps make sense of how things are going. I've certainly been surprised by what I've learned from each.
One poster mentioned a HRM, despite OP not eating back her exercise calories. I wish I had read a post saying how useless they are before I bought mine. They are expensive, don't track activity calories very well in many situations, and some work better than others at the ones they do work with. That being said, mine is fun to play with, and is easier to take my pulse with than watch and wrist during a jog. OP, if you are considering one down the road, you may want to take the time to do the research before commiting to a $100+ item.
+1 for possible water weight and logging cheat meal. When you get the nutritional information for the restaurant, you will probably be able to find a meal there that stays within your goals. It's annoying to have to look everything up, but knowing is powerful, and give you the info to make choices that work better for you in the future.
OP, I know you asked people to knock off and stop posting, but I clearly have impulse control problems. The forums can be helpful. I've gotten some great advice on increasing my running speed, and running on ice. Just try to avoid certain topics, which are sure to bring out the trolls i.e. sugar as health concern, sugar (or food) as addiction, starvation mode, carbs/keto, gastric bypass, weight stalls, using loose instead of lose, or why are people on the forums so rude. If you are curious about these topics, you have the option of searching for previous threads, rather than exposing yourself to the (insert word that will get this post flagged here) of the forums.
You are only starting out, and are already doing a lot of things right. As you go, you may want to make little tweaks (like buying a scale) that can make the journey easier. Congrats on your work so far and your great attitude 0 -
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Can someone pls look at my diary and give me advice. I started my new lifestyle Nov 21 2014 and have list 47lbs but it is slowing down. Any advice about my diary or anything? Feel free to add me I could use some reinforcements. Thanks0
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mckenzienatosha wrote: »Can someone pls look at my diary and give me advice. I started my new lifestyle Nov 21 2014 and have list 47lbs but it is slowing down. Any advice about my diary or anything? Feel free to add me I could use some reinforcements. Thanks
This should be it's own thread, rather than adding on to someone else's.
Either you aren't logging water, or you aren't drinking enough. Not drinking water can lead to water retention.
Protein should be .8g/kg bodyweight or 1g/lb lean mass minimum - MFP amt may be too low. Your protein intake looks like it is too low to properly protect your lean mass.
Fiber should be 25 g minimum.
You eat a lot of packaged foods where the sodium is high. Sodium can cause water weight retention and mask weight loss.
I would suggest exercising to earn more calories, or trying a smaller deficit. You have been eating very low calorie, and might be missing out on some micros. Was that a splurge on Sunday, or a planned treat day? Binges can be caused by too high a deficit.
You may want to try weighing some of your food (i.e. mayo) to make sure your servings are right, if you aren't already.
I think there is a sticky on "why am I not losing weight", or on logging...correct logging can make a difference.
Weight loss isn't linear, and can stall for no apparent reason (like time of month). How long have you been stalled?
But seriously, I should stop hijacking this thread and just advise you to start a new thread specific to your concerns. Good luck:)0 -
mckenzienatosha wrote: »Can someone pls look at my diary and give me advice. I started my new lifestyle Nov 21 2014 and have list 47lbs but it is slowing down. Any advice about my diary or anything? Feel free to add me I could use some reinforcements. Thanks
You're losing almost 5 pounds per week. I don't understand the problem.
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aziapatrick wrote: »I'm beginning to think the boards aren't a place for me. There have been several posts full of great information, but that is getting overshadowed by the snarky and rude comments. Being a morbidly obese woman dieting is hard but I am determined and when I ask for advice I'm looking for positivity and constructive criticism not "you're sloppy and aren't doing it right". So I want to really thank the posters who gave me advice and constructive criticism in a positive way.
I originally posted because I was curious about starvation mode. I wanted to know opinions on it. So I've gotten what I needed and I'm done.
Hiyah hope dont be put off lots of good advice here and you are doing a great job. keep up the hard work. x0 -
Hey, aziapatrick...
I know you didn't post here looking for this, but I just want to say:
IM SO PROUD OF YOU!!!
I think you're dong great!
I know you're frustrated, and it seems like you've got advice but I just wanted to say YOU'RE DOING GREAT AND KEEP IT UP!!0 -
Maybe start your own thread instead of hijacking this onemckenzienatosha wrote: »Can someone pls look at my diary and give me advice. I started my new lifestyle Nov 21 2014 and have list 47lbs but it is slowing down. Any advice about my diary or anything? Feel free to add me I could use some reinforcements. Thanks
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rebeccalenk wrote: »Hey, aziapatrick...
I know you didn't post here looking for this, but I just want to say:
IM SO PROUD OF YOU!!!
I think you're dong great!
I know you're frustrated, and it seems like you've got advice but I just wanted to say YOU'RE DOING GREAT AND KEEP IT UP!!
She glad for your no help to her question.
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You've lost 20 pounds in like 2.5 weeks and you're having a 2 week stall? That's called normal! It happens all the time after a big loss. Starvation mode is absolutely not whats going on. And chances are you are not overeating either. Although if you are eating a lot of pre-packaged foods, you may be getting a lot of sodium which you may be seeing the effects of on the scale. I definitely agree that you need to log EVERYTHING… including your cheat meals. And I think you should be weighing and measuring everything as well. Knowing what proper portion sizes look like will be a great benefit to you later on.0
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I'm sorry but what makes you think people don't talk about IF? Are you new here? Do you really think many of us haven't practiced IF? Have you bothered to look and see how many IF groups there are?WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »@WholeFoodHealthy I agree 100%. Very well written. I also do IF
@christinev297
Woohoo! Glad to "meet" another IFer, and thank you, I discovered it by complete accident. I used to work for Starbucks (best job in the world, at the right location lol) and I'd work long days as I was an hours hog. Some days when we were busy I'd eat basically nothing but drink a LOT of coffee and I had a crapton of energy. Of course I attributed it to the coffee until recently (I no longer work there) when I had a bunch of errands to run and accidentally ended up not eating for ~22 hours. The whole day I was extremely energetic and alert, so I googled something like "No eating energy" and came across IF. I was amazed and read into it a whole lot more and it made perfect sense!
I've tried a lot of "diets, and alternate day fasting is the ONLY thing that has worked to get the weight off, rather quickly and effortlessly.
ETA: it's also the only woe that has saved me money lol I've spent a crap ton of money on supplements and stuff like plexus etc none of which worked
If only more people knew... I mean it seems like almost common sense: Don't eat=Lose weight, but people (myself not excluded) don't think of it because no one talks about it as an option. Makes sense I guess, I mean there would be no $$$ made by supplement manufacturers, diet food companys, diet plan companies, myfitnesspal (haha) hell if every overweight person didn't eat for 2 days a week all major food companies (suppliers, restaurants, EVERYONE) would be losing money. So there's that lol.
Don't believe you are paving the way for some miraculous thing. Also, IF is an eating protocol. It's not a magical solution to losing weight.
1: Yes, I'm new here (I bet my "3 posts" counter gave it away didn't it. Aw, man)
2: Yes I have checked the IF groups. Do you have a point?
3: I'm speaking of people in GENERAL. Not specifically MFP users.
4: I don't know what version of IF you used, but the 24 hour "Eat Stop Eat" version is both a way of eating and you WILL lose weight. (I don't remember ever mentioning anything about magic or sorcery?...)
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WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »
I'm sorry but what makes you think people don't talk about IF? Are you new here? Do you really think many of us haven't practiced IF? Have you bothered to look and see how many IF groups there are?WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »@WholeFoodHealthy I agree 100%. Very well written. I also do IF
@christinev297
Woohoo! Glad to "meet" another IFer, and thank you, I discovered it by complete accident. I used to work for Starbucks (best job in the world, at the right location lol) and I'd work long days as I was an hours hog. Some days when we were busy I'd eat basically nothing but drink a LOT of coffee and I had a crapton of energy. Of course I attributed it to the coffee until recently (I no longer work there) when I had a bunch of errands to run and accidentally ended up not eating for ~22 hours. The whole day I was extremely energetic and alert, so I googled something like "No eating energy" and came across IF. I was amazed and read into it a whole lot more and it made perfect sense!
I've tried a lot of "diets, and alternate day fasting is the ONLY thing that has worked to get the weight off, rather quickly and effortlessly.
ETA: it's also the only woe that has saved me money lol I've spent a crap ton of money on supplements and stuff like plexus etc none of which worked
If only more people knew... I mean it seems like almost common sense: Don't eat=Lose weight, but people (myself not excluded) don't think of it because no one talks about it as an option. Makes sense I guess, I mean there would be no $$$ made by supplement manufacturers, diet food companys, diet plan companies, myfitnesspal (haha) hell if every overweight person didn't eat for 2 days a week all major food companies (suppliers, restaurants, EVERYONE) would be losing money. So there's that lol.
Don't believe you are paving the way for some miraculous thing. Also, IF is an eating protocol. It's not a magical solution to losing weight.
1: Yes, I'm new here (I bet my "3 posts" counter gave it away didn't it. Aw, man)
2: Yes I have checked the IF groups. Do you have a point?
3: I'm speaking of people in GENERAL. Not specifically MFP users.
4: I don't know what version of IF you used, but the 24 hour "Eat Stop Eat" version is both a way of eating and you WILL lose weight. (I don't remember ever mentioning anything about magic or sorcery?...)
Anything else?
The point that you are not getting is that even with IF in your feeding window you can eat at a surplus in one sitting. I know I can easily eat my entire day in one meal and so can a lot of people. So that you WILL lose weight is wrong.
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Maybe start your own thread instead of hijacking this onemckenzienatosha wrote: »Can someone pls look at my diary and give me advice. I started my new lifestyle Nov 21 2014 and have list 47lbs but it is slowing down. Any advice about my diary or anything? Feel free to add me I could use some reinforcements. Thanks
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First of all, its excellent that you are on here and trying, no, succeeding in being healthier. Great job on the 20+ lbs. There have been some great suggestions on here so far so I won't touch on what I've read. There's a couple of things I haven't read that I'll mention, though.
First: When we eat too few calories our body will hold on to fat and water in self preservation. Make sure you are within 500 - 800 shy of your calorie needs. Now, in order to know that you will have to measure food AND exercise as good as you can. The numbers on here are the closest I have found to getting it right.
Second: I go to a Mexican restaurant with friends after church every Sunday. When I started going I was 250 and would eat chicken chimichanga with melted cheese and chips and would get my own bowl of salsa and just snack on chips until the meal arrived, sometimes 30 or 45 minutes. There's no telling how many calories that was. I really don't want to know. Now I weigh 209 and I still go every Sunday but I quit having the cheese. I drink water and watch how many chips I have. I like the taste of Mexican but I can get the same taste by having a salad and a couple of tortillas and making tacos out of them with salsa. Turns out everything tastes like salsa after you add salsa.
At first, me eating healthier while my friends kept eating the loaded nachos and the fried whatever got some snide remarks. They cracked jokes about it being weird and calling me a vegetarian. But after a few months, when it was obvious I had lost quite a bit of weight, they realized I was their friend not because of what any of us ate, but because of who we are. Now, they still haven't changed their diet (secretly hoping they will) but we just enjoy the time together.
You can do this! Just remember how hard you worked on those 3 workout days and refuse to give any of it back just because of a bowl of cheese and a burrito. You can do this!0 -
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yopeeps025 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »
I'm sorry but what makes you think people don't talk about IF? Are you new here? Do you really think many of us haven't practiced IF? Have you bothered to look and see how many IF groups there are?WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »@WholeFoodHealthy I agree 100%. Very well written. I also do IF
@christinev297
Woohoo! Glad to "meet" another IFer, and thank you, I discovered it by complete accident. I used to work for Starbucks (best job in the world, at the right location lol) and I'd work long days as I was an hours hog. Some days when we were busy I'd eat basically nothing but drink a LOT of coffee and I had a crapton of energy. Of course I attributed it to the coffee until recently (I no longer work there) when I had a bunch of errands to run and accidentally ended up not eating for ~22 hours. The whole day I was extremely energetic and alert, so I googled something like "No eating energy" and came across IF. I was amazed and read into it a whole lot more and it made perfect sense!
I've tried a lot of "diets, and alternate day fasting is the ONLY thing that has worked to get the weight off, rather quickly and effortlessly.
ETA: it's also the only woe that has saved me money lol I've spent a crap ton of money on supplements and stuff like plexus etc none of which worked
If only more people knew... I mean it seems like almost common sense: Don't eat=Lose weight, but people (myself not excluded) don't think of it because no one talks about it as an option. Makes sense I guess, I mean there would be no $$$ made by supplement manufacturers, diet food companys, diet plan companies, myfitnesspal (haha) hell if every overweight person didn't eat for 2 days a week all major food companies (suppliers, restaurants, EVERYONE) would be losing money. So there's that lol.
Don't believe you are paving the way for some miraculous thing. Also, IF is an eating protocol. It's not a magical solution to losing weight.
1: Yes, I'm new here (I bet my "3 posts" counter gave it away didn't it. Aw, man)
2: Yes I have checked the IF groups. Do you have a point?
3: I'm speaking of people in GENERAL. Not specifically MFP users.
4: I don't know what version of IF you used, but the 24 hour "Eat Stop Eat" version is both a way of eating and you WILL lose weight. (I don't remember ever mentioning anything about magic or sorcery?...)
Anything else?
The point that you are not getting is that even with IF in your feeding window you can eat at a surplus in one sitting. I know I can easily eat my entire day in one meal and so can a lot of people. So that you WILL lose weight is wrong.
The IF I'm talking about is the one where your "eating window" is every day besides ~2 24 hour periods per week of no eating whatsoever. If you can go 24 hours straight with no eating then you have enough willpower to NOT eat so much in 5 days that you earn back TWO WHOLE DAYS of calories...
Not to mention that if you're doing 2 24 hour fasts your appetite will be lowered enough to where you won't even want to consume +(~400) a day.
I've done my research. From a whole lot more than a forum. Or just one source.
I'm not sorry to say that YOU are the one who isn't getting "the point"
Don't knock something just because you don't want to agree with it. After all, I said in my first point that it's by no means for everyone. (though you probably didn't even read the 1st long post did you?)
I'm not here to prove science to you. I was simply offering OP advice and an alternative. Maybe focus all the energy you put into your uninformed criticism on losing weight and\or being healthy? It'll make you feel better.
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WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »
I'm sorry but what makes you think people don't talk about IF? Are you new here? Do you really think many of us haven't practiced IF? Have you bothered to look and see how many IF groups there are?WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »@WholeFoodHealthy I agree 100%. Very well written. I also do IF
@christinev297
Woohoo! Glad to "meet" another IFer, and thank you, I discovered it by complete accident. I used to work for Starbucks (best job in the world, at the right location lol) and I'd work long days as I was an hours hog. Some days when we were busy I'd eat basically nothing but drink a LOT of coffee and I had a crapton of energy. Of course I attributed it to the coffee until recently (I no longer work there) when I had a bunch of errands to run and accidentally ended up not eating for ~22 hours. The whole day I was extremely energetic and alert, so I googled something like "No eating energy" and came across IF. I was amazed and read into it a whole lot more and it made perfect sense!
I've tried a lot of "diets, and alternate day fasting is the ONLY thing that has worked to get the weight off, rather quickly and effortlessly.
ETA: it's also the only woe that has saved me money lol I've spent a crap ton of money on supplements and stuff like plexus etc none of which worked
If only more people knew... I mean it seems like almost common sense: Don't eat=Lose weight, but people (myself not excluded) don't think of it because no one talks about it as an option. Makes sense I guess, I mean there would be no $$$ made by supplement manufacturers, diet food companys, diet plan companies, myfitnesspal (haha) hell if every overweight person didn't eat for 2 days a week all major food companies (suppliers, restaurants, EVERYONE) would be losing money. So there's that lol.
Don't believe you are paving the way for some miraculous thing. Also, IF is an eating protocol. It's not a magical solution to losing weight.
1: Yes, I'm new here (I bet my "3 posts" counter gave it away didn't it. Aw, man)
2: Yes I have checked the IF groups. Do you have a point?
3: I'm speaking of people in GENERAL. Not specifically MFP users.
4: I don't know what version of IF you used, but the 24 hour "Eat Stop Eat" version is both a way of eating and you WILL lose weight. (I don't remember ever mentioning anything about magic or sorcery?...)
Anything else?
That^^^^
You do the 24 hour version but have no deficit then yout won't lose weight.
The 24 hour fast is a vehicle for a deficit. It also lowers your appetite. If yo have the willpower to go 24 hours without eating then you're gonna have a weekly deficit.
That's as simply as I can put it. Maybe you'll be able to comprehend a shorter sentence. If not, your loss.
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WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »
I'm sorry but what makes you think people don't talk about IF? Are you new here? Do you really think many of us haven't practiced IF? Have you bothered to look and see how many IF groups there are?WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »@WholeFoodHealthy I agree 100%. Very well written. I also do IF
@christinev297
Woohoo! Glad to "meet" another IFer, and thank you, I discovered it by complete accident. I used to work for Starbucks (best job in the world, at the right location lol) and I'd work long days as I was an hours hog. Some days when we were busy I'd eat basically nothing but drink a LOT of coffee and I had a crapton of energy. Of course I attributed it to the coffee until recently (I no longer work there) when I had a bunch of errands to run and accidentally ended up not eating for ~22 hours. The whole day I was extremely energetic and alert, so I googled something like "No eating energy" and came across IF. I was amazed and read into it a whole lot more and it made perfect sense!
I've tried a lot of "diets, and alternate day fasting is the ONLY thing that has worked to get the weight off, rather quickly and effortlessly.
ETA: it's also the only woe that has saved me money lol I've spent a crap ton of money on supplements and stuff like plexus etc none of which worked
If only more people knew... I mean it seems like almost common sense: Don't eat=Lose weight, but people (myself not excluded) don't think of it because no one talks about it as an option. Makes sense I guess, I mean there would be no $$$ made by supplement manufacturers, diet food companys, diet plan companies, myfitnesspal (haha) hell if every overweight person didn't eat for 2 days a week all major food companies (suppliers, restaurants, EVERYONE) would be losing money. So there's that lol.
Don't believe you are paving the way for some miraculous thing. Also, IF is an eating protocol. It's not a magical solution to losing weight.
1: Yes, I'm new here (I bet my "3 posts" counter gave it away didn't it. Aw, man)
2: Yes I have checked the IF groups. Do you have a point?
3: I'm speaking of people in GENERAL. Not specifically MFP users.
4: I don't know what version of IF you used, but the 24 hour "Eat Stop Eat" version is both a way of eating and you WILL lose weight. (I don't remember ever mentioning anything about magic or sorcery?...)
Anything else?
The point that you are not getting is that even with IF in your feeding window you can eat at a surplus in one sitting. I know I can easily eat my entire day in one meal and so can a lot of people. So that you WILL lose weight is wrong.
The IF I'm talking about is the one where your "eating window" is every day besides ~2 24 hour periods per week of no eating whatsoever. If you can go 24 hours straight with no eating then you have enough willpower to NOT eat so much in 5 days that you earn back TWO WHOLE DAYS of calories...
Not to mention that if you're doing 2 24 hour fasts your appetite will be lowered enough to where you won't even want to consume +(~400) a day.
I've done my research. From a whole lot more than a forum. Or just one source.
I'm not sorry to say that YOU are the one who isn't getting "the point"
Don't knock something just because you don't want to agree with it. After all, I said in my first point that it's by no means for everyone. (though you probably didn't even read the 1st long post did you?)
I'm not here to prove science to you. I was simply offering OP advice and an alternative. Maybe focus all the energy you put into your uninformed criticism on losing weight and\or being healthy? It'll make you feel better.
(Half this post directed at @Mrm27 )
So if you have enough will power like you said then why would you want to do that 24 hours without eating. I can only do with 2 scenarios
1) If I am having a 16 hour halo session.
2) If I am dead broke since I hate asking for help.
You are making assumptions that since you go 2 whole days with not food that you would not crave or overeating when you do have your feast days. My two scenarios I have done so Yes I have gone a whole day with no food before. So I know how my body reacts when foods are introduce back into my system. As you see I have tried your way before. Have you tried your 24 hours of no foods before? I have lost 30 pounds thank you very much. I actually lost more before I started using MFP. I am also 5 pounds away from being smaller than I have for almost literally half my life on this earth. I am already feeling pretty good about myself. 0 -
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Thing is that all the exercise in the world doesn't matter if calorie intake is incorrect. And one could do the same workout, but just change the either the weights, reps, sets, speed, or rest time.aziapatrick wrote: »Pandapotato wrote: »Is your cheat meal a "go to TGI Fridays and get appetizers, dinner, and drinks?" because that could be A LOT of calories. 3500 cals = 1 lb.
It's a going to the mexican restaurant and eating chips and cheese and fried things, this last time it was also 2 drinks.
Looks like it's time to cut out the cheat meal.
Cutting out the cheat meal is a bad idea...breaks up the monotony and allows the body to recalibrate.
What do you do exercise-wise to break up the routine? Remember that the body recognizes muscle memory and the same workouts will not yield the same results if not changed occasionally.
Most important...be patient and give it time...weight loss is a slow and steady process. It can be frustrating when you don't see the scale move, but you have to figure out what works for you.
Best of luck!
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IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »
I'm sorry but what makes you think people don't talk about IF? Are you new here? Do you really think many of us haven't practiced IF? Have you bothered to look and see how many IF groups there are?WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »@WholeFoodHealthy I agree 100%. Very well written. I also do IF
@christinev297
Woohoo! Glad to "meet" another IFer, and thank you, I discovered it by complete accident. I used to work for Starbucks (best job in the world, at the right location lol) and I'd work long days as I was an hours hog. Some days when we were busy I'd eat basically nothing but drink a LOT of coffee and I had a crapton of energy. Of course I attributed it to the coffee until recently (I no longer work there) when I had a bunch of errands to run and accidentally ended up not eating for ~22 hours. The whole day I was extremely energetic and alert, so I googled something like "No eating energy" and came across IF. I was amazed and read into it a whole lot more and it made perfect sense!
I've tried a lot of "diets, and alternate day fasting is the ONLY thing that has worked to get the weight off, rather quickly and effortlessly.
ETA: it's also the only woe that has saved me money lol I've spent a crap ton of money on supplements and stuff like plexus etc none of which worked
If only more people knew... I mean it seems like almost common sense: Don't eat=Lose weight, but people (myself not excluded) don't think of it because no one talks about it as an option. Makes sense I guess, I mean there would be no $$$ made by supplement manufacturers, diet food companys, diet plan companies, myfitnesspal (haha) hell if every overweight person didn't eat for 2 days a week all major food companies (suppliers, restaurants, EVERYONE) would be losing money. So there's that lol.
Don't believe you are paving the way for some miraculous thing. Also, IF is an eating protocol. It's not a magical solution to losing weight.
1: Yes, I'm new here (I bet my "3 posts" counter gave it away didn't it. Aw, man)
2: Yes I have checked the IF groups. Do you have a point?
3: I'm speaking of people in GENERAL. Not specifically MFP users.
4: I don't know what version of IF you used, but the 24 hour "Eat Stop Eat" version is both a way of eating and you WILL lose weight. (I don't remember ever mentioning anything about magic or sorcery?...)
Anything else?
That^^^^
You do the 24 hour version but have no deficit then yout won't lose weight.
The 24 hour fast is a vehicle for a deficit. It also lowers your appetite. If yo have the willpower to go 24 hours without eating then you're gonna have a weekly deficit.
That's as simply as I can put it. Maybe you'll be able to comprehend a shorter sentence. If not, your loss.
If you're into books try the book. Then see if you still want to come back and try to make your point.
You are assuming that.
Also, you shorter sentence said the same as your longer sentence, not much. But I do appreciate you making me read less.
Mucho words hurted me eyes.
DO you know how it feels to go a full day without food? It's not fun.
While he does try to present a alternative which I understand he seems to know the book theory on it but has no first experience practice which I have many more times then I would like to admit. Then tries to tell me to do not knock because I disagree with it although I have experience in this matter.0 -
yopeeps025 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »
I'm sorry but what makes you think people don't talk about IF? Are you new here? Do you really think many of us haven't practiced IF? Have you bothered to look and see how many IF groups there are?WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »@WholeFoodHealthy I agree 100%. Very well written. I also do IF
@christinev297
Woohoo! Glad to "meet" another IFer, and thank you, I discovered it by complete accident. I used to work for Starbucks (best job in the world, at the right location lol) and I'd work long days as I was an hours hog. Some days when we were busy I'd eat basically nothing but drink a LOT of coffee and I had a crapton of energy. Of course I attributed it to the coffee until recently (I no longer work there) when I had a bunch of errands to run and accidentally ended up not eating for ~22 hours. The whole day I was extremely energetic and alert, so I googled something like "No eating energy" and came across IF. I was amazed and read into it a whole lot more and it made perfect sense!
I've tried a lot of "diets, and alternate day fasting is the ONLY thing that has worked to get the weight off, rather quickly and effortlessly.
ETA: it's also the only woe that has saved me money lol I've spent a crap ton of money on supplements and stuff like plexus etc none of which worked
If only more people knew... I mean it seems like almost common sense: Don't eat=Lose weight, but people (myself not excluded) don't think of it because no one talks about it as an option. Makes sense I guess, I mean there would be no $$$ made by supplement manufacturers, diet food companys, diet plan companies, myfitnesspal (haha) hell if every overweight person didn't eat for 2 days a week all major food companies (suppliers, restaurants, EVERYONE) would be losing money. So there's that lol.
Don't believe you are paving the way for some miraculous thing. Also, IF is an eating protocol. It's not a magical solution to losing weight.
1: Yes, I'm new here (I bet my "3 posts" counter gave it away didn't it. Aw, man)
2: Yes I have checked the IF groups. Do you have a point?
3: I'm speaking of people in GENERAL. Not specifically MFP users.
4: I don't know what version of IF you used, but the 24 hour "Eat Stop Eat" version is both a way of eating and you WILL lose weight. (I don't remember ever mentioning anything about magic or sorcery?...)
Anything else?
The point that you are not getting is that even with IF in your feeding window you can eat at a surplus in one sitting. I know I can easily eat my entire day in one meal and so can a lot of people. So that you WILL lose weight is wrong.
The IF I'm talking about is the one where your "eating window" is every day besides ~2 24 hour periods per week of no eating whatsoever. If you can go 24 hours straight with no eating then you have enough willpower to NOT eat so much in 5 days that you earn back TWO WHOLE DAYS of calories...
Not to mention that if you're doing 2 24 hour fasts your appetite will be lowered enough to where you won't even want to consume +(~400) a day.
I've done my research. From a whole lot more than a forum. Or just one source.
I'm not sorry to say that YOU are the one who isn't getting "the point"
Don't knock something just because you don't want to agree with it. After all, I said in my first point that it's by no means for everyone. (though you probably didn't even read the 1st long post did you?)
I'm not here to prove science to you. I was simply offering OP advice and an alternative. Maybe focus all the energy you put into your uninformed criticism on losing weight and\or being healthy? It'll make you feel better.
(Half this post directed at @Mrm27 )
So if you have enough will power like you said then why would you want to do that 24 hours without eating. I can only do with 2 scenarios
1) If I am having a 16 hour halo session.
2) If I am dead broke since I hate asking for help.
You are making assumptions that since you go 2 whole days with not food that you would not crave or overeating when you do have your feast days. My two scenarios I have done so Yes I have gone a whole day with no food before. So I know how my body reacts when foods are introduce back into my system. As you see I have tried your way before. Have you tried your 24 hours of no foods before? I have lost 30 pounds thank you very much. I actually lost more before I started using MFP. I am also 5 pounds away from being smaller than I have for almost literally half my life on this earth. I am already feeling pretty good about myself.
For people who are invested in IF. No, they won't feast on their regular days. I have done the 24 hour fast multiple times, it's the only fast I've ever done and it makes me feel great both mentally (I know i can go 24 hours without a bit of food and i feel proud) and physically (I feel alert, energetic, clear headed) I've actually had to increase my daily cal goal since I got to the point where i was already at what I wanted to weigh BUT I was still losing weight. I now only do it once a week, sometimes skipping a week, simply for it's numerous other health benefits.0 -
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WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »
I'm sorry but what makes you think people don't talk about IF? Are you new here? Do you really think many of us haven't practiced IF? Have you bothered to look and see how many IF groups there are?WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »@WholeFoodHealthy I agree 100%. Very well written. I also do IF
@christinev297
Woohoo! Glad to "meet" another IFer, and thank you, I discovered it by complete accident. I used to work for Starbucks (best job in the world, at the right location lol) and I'd work long days as I was an hours hog. Some days when we were busy I'd eat basically nothing but drink a LOT of coffee and I had a crapton of energy. Of course I attributed it to the coffee until recently (I no longer work there) when I had a bunch of errands to run and accidentally ended up not eating for ~22 hours. The whole day I was extremely energetic and alert, so I googled something like "No eating energy" and came across IF. I was amazed and read into it a whole lot more and it made perfect sense!
I've tried a lot of "diets, and alternate day fasting is the ONLY thing that has worked to get the weight off, rather quickly and effortlessly.
ETA: it's also the only woe that has saved me money lol I've spent a crap ton of money on supplements and stuff like plexus etc none of which worked
If only more people knew... I mean it seems like almost common sense: Don't eat=Lose weight, but people (myself not excluded) don't think of it because no one talks about it as an option. Makes sense I guess, I mean there would be no $$$ made by supplement manufacturers, diet food companys, diet plan companies, myfitnesspal (haha) hell if every overweight person didn't eat for 2 days a week all major food companies (suppliers, restaurants, EVERYONE) would be losing money. So there's that lol.
Don't believe you are paving the way for some miraculous thing. Also, IF is an eating protocol. It's not a magical solution to losing weight.
1: Yes, I'm new here (I bet my "3 posts" counter gave it away didn't it. Aw, man)
2: Yes I have checked the IF groups. Do you have a point?
3: I'm speaking of people in GENERAL. Not specifically MFP users.
4: I don't know what version of IF you used, but the 24 hour "Eat Stop Eat" version is both a way of eating and you WILL lose weight. (I don't remember ever mentioning anything about magic or sorcery?...)
Anything else?
The point that you are not getting is that even with IF in your feeding window you can eat at a surplus in one sitting. I know I can easily eat my entire day in one meal and so can a lot of people. So that you WILL lose weight is wrong.
The IF I'm talking about is the one where your "eating window" is every day besides ~2 24 hour periods per week of no eating whatsoever. If you can go 24 hours straight with no eating then you have enough willpower to NOT eat so much in 5 days that you earn back TWO WHOLE DAYS of calories...
Not to mention that if you're doing 2 24 hour fasts your appetite will be lowered enough to where you won't even want to consume +(~400) a day.
I've done my research. From a whole lot more than a forum. Or just one source.
I'm not sorry to say that YOU are the one who isn't getting "the point"
Don't knock something just because you don't want to agree with it. After all, I said in my first point that it's by no means for everyone. (though you probably didn't even read the 1st long post did you?)
I'm not here to prove science to you. I was simply offering OP advice and an alternative. Maybe focus all the energy you put into your uninformed criticism on losing weight and\or being healthy? It'll make you feel better.
(Half this post directed at @Mrm27 )
So if you have enough will power like you said then why would you want to do that 24 hours without eating. I can only do with 2 scenarios
1) If I am having a 16 hour halo session.
2) If I am dead broke since I hate asking for help.
You are making assumptions that since you go 2 whole days with not food that you would not crave or overeating when you do have your feast days. My two scenarios I have done so Yes I have gone a whole day with no food before. So I know how my body reacts when foods are introduce back into my system. As you see I have tried your way before. Have you tried your 24 hours of no foods before? I have lost 30 pounds thank you very much. I actually lost more before I started using MFP. I am also 5 pounds away from being smaller than I have for almost literally half my life on this earth. I am already feeling pretty good about myself.
For people who are invested in IF. No, they won't feast on their regular days. I have done the 24 hour fast multiple times, it's the only fast I've ever done and it makes me feel great both mentally (I know i can go 24 hours without a bit of food and i feel proud) and physically (I feel alert, energetic, clear headed) I've actually had to increase my daily cal goal since I got to the point where i was already at what I wanted to weigh BUT I was still losing weight. I now only do it once a week, sometimes skipping a week, simply for it's numerous other health benefits.
Yeah the bold did not happen for me during my fasts. I must be not fasting correctly to feel that way.
Also you still assume and call it will power to keep your calorie deficit in check on feast days when you go on a full day fast.
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WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »
I'm sorry but what makes you think people don't talk about IF? Are you new here? Do you really think many of us haven't practiced IF? Have you bothered to look and see how many IF groups there are?WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »WholeFoodHealthy wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »@WholeFoodHealthy I agree 100%. Very well written. I also do IF
@christinev297
Woohoo! Glad to "meet" another IFer, and thank you, I discovered it by complete accident. I used to work for Starbucks (best job in the world, at the right location lol) and I'd work long days as I was an hours hog. Some days when we were busy I'd eat basically nothing but drink a LOT of coffee and I had a crapton of energy. Of course I attributed it to the coffee until recently (I no longer work there) when I had a bunch of errands to run and accidentally ended up not eating for ~22 hours. The whole day I was extremely energetic and alert, so I googled something like "No eating energy" and came across IF. I was amazed and read into it a whole lot more and it made perfect sense!
I've tried a lot of "diets, and alternate day fasting is the ONLY thing that has worked to get the weight off, rather quickly and effortlessly.
ETA: it's also the only woe that has saved me money lol I've spent a crap ton of money on supplements and stuff like plexus etc none of which worked
If only more people knew... I mean it seems like almost common sense: Don't eat=Lose weight, but people (myself not excluded) don't think of it because no one talks about it as an option. Makes sense I guess, I mean there would be no $$$ made by supplement manufacturers, diet food companys, diet plan companies, myfitnesspal (haha) hell if every overweight person didn't eat for 2 days a week all major food companies (suppliers, restaurants, EVERYONE) would be losing money. So there's that lol.
Don't believe you are paving the way for some miraculous thing. Also, IF is an eating protocol. It's not a magical solution to losing weight.
1: Yes, I'm new here (I bet my "3 posts" counter gave it away didn't it. Aw, man)
2: Yes I have checked the IF groups. Do you have a point?
3: I'm speaking of people in GENERAL. Not specifically MFP users.
4: I don't know what version of IF you used, but the 24 hour "Eat Stop Eat" version is both a way of eating and you WILL lose weight. (I don't remember ever mentioning anything about magic or sorcery?...)
Anything else?
The point that you are not getting is that even with IF in your feeding window you can eat at a surplus in one sitting. I know I can easily eat my entire day in one meal and so can a lot of people. So that you WILL lose weight is wrong.
The IF I'm talking about is the one where your "eating window" is every day besides ~2 24 hour periods per week of no eating whatsoever. If you can go 24 hours straight with no eating then you have enough willpower to NOT eat so much in 5 days that you earn back TWO WHOLE DAYS of calories...
Not to mention that if you're doing 2 24 hour fasts your appetite will be lowered enough to where you won't even want to consume +(~400) a day.
I've done my research. From a whole lot more than a forum. Or just one source.
I'm not sorry to say that YOU are the one who isn't getting "the point"
Don't knock something just because you don't want to agree with it. After all, I said in my first point that it's by no means for everyone. (though you probably didn't even read the 1st long post did you?)
I'm not here to prove science to you. I was simply offering OP advice and an alternative. Maybe focus all the energy you put into your uninformed criticism on losing weight and\or being healthy? It'll make you feel better.
(Half this post directed at @Mrm27 )
So if you have enough will power like you said then why would you want to do that 24 hours without eating. I can only do with 2 scenarios
1) If I am having a 16 hour halo session.
2) If I am dead broke since I hate asking for help.
You are making assumptions that since you go 2 whole days with not food that you would not crave or overeating when you do have your feast days. My two scenarios I have done so Yes I have gone a whole day with no food before. So I know how my body reacts when foods are introduce back into my system. As you see I have tried your way before. Have you tried your 24 hours of no foods before? I have lost 30 pounds thank you very much. I actually lost more before I started using MFP. I am also 5 pounds away from being smaller than I have for almost literally half my life on this earth. I am already feeling pretty good about myself.
For people who are invested in IF. No, they won't feast on their regular days. I have done the 24 hour fast multiple times, it's the only fast I've ever done and it makes me feel great both mentally (I know i can go 24 hours without a bit of food and i feel proud) and physically (I feel alert, energetic, clear headed) I've actually had to increase my daily cal goal since I got to the point where i was already at what I wanted to weigh BUT I was still losing weight. I now only do it once a week, sometimes skipping a week, simply for it's numerous other health benefits.
Again, more assumptions.
You're the one assuming that a person who can go 24 hours [EDIT: 24 hours 2X] with no food VOLUNTARILY can't refrain from pigging out the other 5 days.
Yes, we're both assuming. Your assumption is grasping, and very unlikely. You've got to be able to see that (I'm also ASSUMING that at this point you know you're in the wrong and are just trying to limp to the finish line without admitting it)0 -
food scale! thats all. I cant imagine how i would have lost my weight without one. thats the only accurate way to know how much you are eatting.0
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