Moderation vs Clean Eating
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diannethegeek wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »DawnieB1977 wrote: »(is a homemade cake considered 'clean'??).
I've always assumed no, at least not if it contains flour and sugar. But it is confusing!
I started a list once of all the definitions of clean eating that we've seen on the boards. By some you can get away with homemade cake and by others it's a definite no-no.
If you're curious, they include:
Nothing but minimally processed foods.
Absolutely no processed foods.
Shop only the outside of the grocery store.
Nothing out of a box, jar, or can.
Only food that's not in a box or hermetically sealed bag, or from e.g. McDonald's.
Nothing at all with a barcode.
Nothing with more than 5 ingredients.
Nothing with more than 4 ingredients.
Nothing with more than 3 ingredients.
Nothing with more than 1 ingredient.
No added preservatives.
No added chemicals.
No chemicals, preservatives, etc. at all.
No ingredients that you can't pronounce.
No ingredients that sound like they came out of a chemistry book.
Don't eat products that have a TV commercial.
Don't eat products that have a longer shelf life than you do.
No added sugar.
No added refined sugar.
Swap white sugar for brown.
No "white" foods.
Nothing but lean meats, fruits, and vegetables.
Only meat from grass-fed animals and free-range chickens.
Only pesticide-free foods.
How does that work? I get bags of avocados and onions with a barcode at the top of the bag.0 -
Don't you still have to eat in moderation if your trying to eat clean?0
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MrCoolGrim wrote: »Don't you still have to eat in moderation if your trying to eat clean?
I would say yes, but several people have told me on here that if you eat clean (according to their definition), it doesn't matter how much you eat.0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »DawnieB1977 wrote: »(is a homemade cake considered 'clean'??).
I've always assumed no, at least not if it contains flour and sugar. But it is confusing!
I started a list once of all the definitions of clean eating that we've seen on the boards. By some you can get away with homemade cake and by others it's a definite no-no.
If you're curious, they include:
Nothing but minimally processed foods.
Absolutely no processed foods.
Shop only the outside of the grocery store.
Nothing out of a box, jar, or can.
Only food that's not in a box or hermetically sealed bag, or from e.g. McDonald's.
Nothing at all with a barcode.
Nothing with more than 5 ingredients.
Nothing with more than 4 ingredients.
Nothing with more than 3 ingredients.
Nothing with more than 1 ingredient.
No added preservatives.
No added chemicals.
No chemicals, preservatives, etc. at all.
No ingredients that you can't pronounce.
No ingredients that sound like they came out of a chemistry book.
Don't eat products that have a TV commercial.
Don't eat products that have a longer shelf life than you do.
No added sugar.
No added refined sugar.
Swap white sugar for brown.
No "white" foods.
Nothing but lean meats, fruits, and vegetables.
Only meat from grass-fed animals and free-range chickens.
Only pesticide-free foods.
How does that work? I get bags of avocados and onions with a barcode at the top of the bag.
Generally, questioning any of these definitions will get a generic answer of: "You know what I mean." Clean eating seems to be a lot like pornography. There's no solid definition but you know it when you see it.
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janejellyroll wrote: »MrCoolGrim wrote: »Don't you still have to eat in moderation if your trying to eat clean?
I would say yes, but several people have told me on here that if you eat clean (according to their definition), it doesn't matter how much you eat.
From what I understand, WW is pushing that, and made all produce an AYCE category.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »MrCoolGrim wrote: »Don't you still have to eat in moderation if your trying to eat clean?
I would say yes, but several people have told me on here that if you eat clean (according to their definition), it doesn't matter how much you eat.
From what I understand, WW is pushing that, and made all produce an AYCE category.
Whoever created that guideline has never seen what happens when I am in the same room with fresh pineapple. I could easily eat 2,000 calories of pineapple in a sitting.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »MrCoolGrim wrote: »Don't you still have to eat in moderation if your trying to eat clean?
I would say yes, but several people have told me on here that if you eat clean (according to their definition), it doesn't matter how much you eat.
From what I understand, WW is pushing that, and made all produce an AYCE category.
Can you please explain what the abbreiviations "WW" & "AYCE" stand for? thx0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MrCoolGrim wrote: »Don't you still have to eat in moderation if your trying to eat clean?
I would say yes, but several people have told me on here that if you eat clean (according to their definition), it doesn't matter how much you eat.
From what I understand, WW is pushing that, and made all produce an AYCE category.
Whoever created that guideline has never seen what happens when I am in the same room with fresh pineapple. I could easily eat 2,000 calories of pineapple in a sitting.
The first couple of months on my diet I ate my 1700 calories and then as much cantaloupe as I wanted if I was still hungry in the evenings. I lost weight for a while, until I didn't anymore. It was something of a shock when I started calculating how much cantaloupe I was eating every day!
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WW is Weight Watchers. I have no idea what AYCE is, or a bunch of other acronyms used on here for that matter
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janejellyroll wrote: »
Ah....thanks! I'm going to start making a list for reference.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Merci0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MrCoolGrim wrote: »Don't you still have to eat in moderation if your trying to eat clean?
I would say yes, but several people have told me on here that if you eat clean (according to their definition), it doesn't matter how much you eat.
From what I understand, WW is pushing that, and made all produce an AYCE category.
Whoever created that guideline has never seen what happens when I am in the same room with fresh pineapple. I could easily eat 2,000 calories of pineapple in a sitting.
The first couple of months on my diet I ate my 1700 calories and then as much cantaloupe as I wanted if I was still hungry in the evenings. I lost weight for a while, until I didn't anymore. It was something of a shock when I started calculating how much cantaloupe I was eating every day!
Yes, I learned the hard way I have to weigh my fruit just like I do everything else. I love it too much.0 -
I actually eat "mostly" clean with moderation tossed in there, for good measure and good balance.
Life is just not worth living - *TO ME* - eating 100% clean 100% of the time. 0 -
Not exactly doing the definition of either one because it's a medically supervised diet for the purpose of managing blood sugar. It would tend more towards the general concept of "clean" though. Following the doctor's orders has been kind of grim and unfun at the outset, but I know I will get accustomed to it in time. I've been forced to rethink the way I eat fruit.... how much, when, and with what else, to keep the blood sugar from going through the stratosphere.
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MrCoolGrim wrote: »Don't you still have to eat in moderation if your trying to eat clean?
I would say yes, but several people have told me on here that if you eat clean (according to their definition), it doesn't matter how much you eat.
From what I understand, WW is pushing that, and made all produce an AYCE category.
Whoever created that guideline has never seen what happens when I am in the same room with fresh pineapple. I could easily eat 2,000 calories of pineapple in a sitting.
Ages ago in the confessions thread, someone mentioned a new UK dieting competition show, so I looked it up. In one episode, there was a guy who was already vegetarian, and decided instead of counting calories, he'd just be "better" about what he was eating. About half way through, the doctor running the show had a sit down with him to explain that he'd been eating 4000 calories a day, and about half of that was from bananas alone. He was basically eating vegetarian Indian takeout, beans and toast, oranges and bananas for his entire diet.0 -
Moderation. Nothing makes me want to eat something more than telling myself I'm not allowed to. I eat less junk if I don't purposely restrict it.0
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cwolfman13 wrote: »FYI, most people who practice moderation eat primarily nutritious foods...they're just not afraid to have some desert or a slice or two of pizza every once in awhile.
"Clean" is a very ambiguous term and has about a zillion different meanings depending on the individual.
Do yourself a favor and just eat a well balanced and varied diet that is rich in whole food nutrition...and have some ice cream once in awhile.
This. Even eating "clean" at its strictest definition you can eat too much and gain weight. Might be harder since whole foods tend to fill you up faster, but it is still very possible. Other benefits of eating healthier/whole/organic foods range from less chemicals and hormones to better moods and more energy.
A lot of healthy active people I know (including myself) find a balance in eating a good 80% of their food as whole and nutritious but allowing for the occasional desert, eating out, couple glasses of wine, etc.
You can lose weight eating anything you want as long as you burn more than you eat. However....living on nothing but sugar and grease will catch up to most people eventually.
Agreed. I'd say I eat about 80% "clean". The only thing that I cut out 100% is fast food and soda. But, I have a glass of wine a few nights / week... I eat pizza once every few weeks, etc. I try to think of food as fuel and eating what's going to give me the best energy, vitamins, etc. It's all about balance.
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janejellyroll wrote: »
Ah....thanks! I'm going to start making a list for reference.
There's already a thread with a list of acronyms. You could, you know, search for it.
edited because acronyms is plural-1 -
I feel like every thread is about this
But - personally, I tend to do better on days I eat more "clean" than on days I don't.0
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