Moderation vs Clean Eating
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sherbear702 wrote: »I feel like clean sweets is an oxymoron. Those two words don't belong in the same sentence together. What is a clean sweet?
Easy one. Honey.
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sherbear702 wrote: »awarreningermany wrote: »I try to eat moderation and as clean as possible. I like to try and have clean sweets when I can as well, but in the end I wont give up or cut out any food groups unless I were to have a medical issue for doing so.
I feel like clean sweets is an oxymoron. Those two words don't belong in the same sentence together. What is a clean sweet?
One that didn't fall onto the floor.
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Moderation. For sure. It keeps me from binge eating and I've learned how much I can eat of foods I love. Cookies, candy, pizza, fried chicken.... *drools*0
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So effing sick of seeing the term "clean eating."0
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deannaxsmithx wrote: »are you more successful with your weight loss when eating foods in moderation or eating strictly healthy foods?
moderation in this case meaning eating whatever you'd like as long as it's within your calorie goal. following serving sizes. weighing your food.
clean eating meaning eating only healthy foods such as fruits, vegetables, lean meats, organic products, etc
I'm not going to label my food as healthy or clean.
I guess I'd say I practice moderation.
I am most succesful because I am logging my food and staying within my calories. (Pre-logging my whole day actually.)
I haven't changed the kind of food I eat at all. I eat a variety of food I like and fit it in my calories. I have to eat smaller portions of higher calorie foods but I still eat them.
Mostly I eat food I prepare at home. Sometimes I eat a frozen burrito. Once a week I eat fast food for lunch. I eat foods with fat and sugar. I eat cereal, bread, pasta and rice. I eat dairy. I eat vegetables and fruit. I eat beans and meat.
I am paying more attention to sodium, protein, and fiber.
I do avoid artificial sweeteners because they give me headaches where regular sugars do not. I don't generally buy products labeled sugar free or fat free.
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Good catch. Hah, hah.
On topic - I totally fail at understanding, caring about or doing clean eating. I don't want to miss out on the dirty stuff that is mentioned here on MFP. For instance, I'd never heard of Talenti Sea Salt Caramel Gelato until I saw it in a post. So I googled it and found a store locator and lo and behold learned that a gas station quick shop 15 miles from my house sells it! I've since found many uses for those empty plastic jars.
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I don't understand how carbs are unclean or "dirty," either. Fruits contain fructose, which is a simple carb, and fruits are nutrient dense, whole foods. Vegetables are made of complex fibrous carbs, and vegetables are nutrient-dense, whole foods. Potatoes are nutrient0dense whole foods, and contain the same amount of carbs as sweet potatoes, which are also nutrient-dense whole foods. Of the complex starchy carbs I enjoy, I get decent amount of my protein intake from linguine. White linguine. Oh, the horror. If you want to enjoy whole, nutrient dense foods, then enjoy whole, nutrient dense foods. Stop worrying if they're "clean." Carbs provide energy to fuel both your activity and the functioning of your internal organs. Carbs are good. Limiting carbs is fine, as many people do, and it works for them, but categorizing them as something bad is, well, bad.Nony_Mouse wrote: »
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Also let me clarify that a bit- I wasn't saying that low carb eating is "clean" eating. I was saying that I eat clean and part of that includes eating low carb maybe I should have included no processed carbs.... idk,, but again I think it can and is on an individual basis as @lemurcat12 says- we can have our own inclusions for what "clean" means to us
See, I just don't get the whole "clean" thing.
I could very well say that I eat clean too. I will try to play the lofty "name your way of eating game". I am basically a whole-foods vegetarian. Most of the time, the food I eat comes from the outer grocery store aisles, with just a few ingredients coming from the inner aisles like dried beans, nut butters, and canned tomatoes. I supplement my intake with quality protein bars and shakes. Every few months or so, I eat something that might be defined as a treat when I get the urge.
Yet, I just... eat what I like. So this is why I don't get the whole idea of labeling your diet "clean" or "dirty" or... anything, really.
I've tried to have this discussion with someone else before, and they didn't understand why I was asking, so maybe I'll get somewhere with you.
What does it mean to you when you say to yourself that you eat "clean"? Is it a big change from how you ate before, or are you, like me, simply eating food you like? Why are you choosing that word to describe your food choices? I'm not asking this in antagonizing way, I'm genuinely curious.
I appreciate the effort to explain (even if it wasn't an answer to my own question), but I do have a follow up or two.I understand and I just do like you but I try to eat whole foods for reasons I think we covered in another forum- lol and because it is what my doc/nutritionist gave me that I could eat for my conditions.......
I think what mamapeach and I were saying is that we too eat mostly whole foods for our own reasons (mine is just that I'm into that, it's always been how I enjoy eating, perhaps because I like to cook and find focusing on local stuff and stuff I can make or grow myself a good way to get excited about food and exercise my need to be pedantic, probably). But despite that neither of us feels compelled to call ourselves "clean eaters"--which is a term I actively dislike. In that most "clean eaters" seem to deviate from whatever they define as "clean eating" as often as I do, the question is why do you call yourself that? What's the appeal?I don't really understand the reason for labeling it either- I just say its clean because I try not to have processed stuff in it, eat for my med conditions, etc.
But YOU are the one labeling it, that's the question. Why do you think the way you eat is some special "clean" way that means it should be distinguished from how mamapeach or I or others here eat?
Like there are things I do that most people probably don't, but I don't think my diet deserves a special name because of it. It's just how I eat based on what I like and what I think is healthy and supports my personal goals.I don't think it really matters what or if you "label" your eating- I am no different from the way you eat- from the outsides of the store with a few inclusions from the insides- dry beans, nut butters- except that I have to limit my carbs every day.
Then why do you label it? It seems to me that it's the "clean eaters" claiming that they are the only ones who care about nutrition or wanting to share "clean" recipes (as if ordinary recipes were not) or the like that are creating this weird dichotomy.It is a very big change from how I ate before- it wasn't necessarily unclean or "dirty" I don't think any food is "bad" or "dirty". But it did include a lot of processed foods from the inside aisle and a lot of "junk" food.
I suspect this may have something to do with it. I never ate lots of processed food. I got fat eating lots of high calorie foods, but it wasn't really packaged stuff, since I was a food snob when I got fat (more of one than now, probably). I think with some exceptions a lot of the "clean eating" stuff is from people for whom not eating mostly highly processed, non nutrient dense foods is something of a change and so they assume that most everyone else who doesn't actively self-define as "clean" eats mostly fast food or Twinkies or whatever? It's one of the only explanations that comes to mind. Like it's hard to comprehend that lots of people who just think we eat normal diets or just try to eat healthy or with moderation in fact eat in ways that you think are extremely unusual or demanding? I don't know, but that's my current theory.I cant say why EVERYONE labels their way of eating as "clean" I can only say what I think it is and why I say it. There is no purpose to it- and no reason for it. It is a personal preference.
A personal preference to label yourself as a "clean eater"?I do know though that some people label themselves as "clean" eaters because they buy only organic, nothing extra like gmo's, pesticides, etc. - so that is what it means to them.
Yes, this is why it's confusing, as you can see.But again- I think it means something different to everyone- as it can. Just like moderation can. I would not say eating a whole pizza is moderation- but someone else might- and that is fine. Whatever works for them.
But if we all just use words to mean whatever with no effort to communicate using common terms, how will we ever understand each other?
If someone asks me what I think moderation means, I explain, and I think my definition is a good general one, NOT just what it means to me. People can disagree on my usage, of course, and we could argue about it, but that's different than me saying "well, to me moderation means eating only blue foods, and that's what I do."
I'd be happy to drop the term "moderation" anyway, as I don't really think of myself as eating according to a particular label. It's the need of people to claim a non-descriptive label that I find interesting.
I would say that something like vegetarian or vegan or pescetarian with clearly defined meanings are truly descriptive--if someone was coming to my house for dinner and said she was a vegetarian, I'd be able to cook in a way sensitive to that. If someone said she was low carb, same, or even paleo, same (assuming they actually followed paleo). If someone said she was a "clean eater," I'd have no clue.
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I don't understand how carbs are unclean or "dirty," either. Fruits contain fructose, which is a simple carb, and fruits are nutrient dense, whole foods. Vegetables are made of complex fibrous carbs, and vegetables are nutrient-dense, whole foods. Potatoes are nutrient0dense whole foods, and contain the same amount of carbs as sweet potatoes, which are also nutrient-dense whole foods. Of the complex starchy carbs I enjoy, I get decent amount of my protein intake from linguine. White linguine. Oh, the horror. If you want to enjoy whole, nutrient dense foods, then enjoy whole, nutrient dense foods. Stop worrying if they're "clean." Carbs provide energy to fuel both your activity and the functioning of your internal organs. Carbs are good. Limiting carbs is fine, as many people do, and it works for them, but categorizing them as something bad is, well, bad.Nony_Mouse wrote: »
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This is only required of members who are planning to eat their t-shirts. We're DIY-eaters, not all members are required to be all around DIY-ers, though all around DIY-ers are certainly welcome.
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I really try to eat clean but sometimes I just can't help myself
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lemurcat12, you are formally invited to join the DIY-eaters club. Mamapeach will show you the secret handshake, of which upon successful completion you will receive a DIY-eaters official t-shirt. Please see previous posts, should you be planning to eat your t-shirt. Otherwise, welcome to the club!0
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berlynnwall wrote: »I am more successful with moderation, although I do try to eat a lot of healthy foods too. I find that if I cut out all junk food (for lack of a better term) I cannot sustain it, and I end up binging and screwing up all my previous hard work. It's better for me if I go ahead and eat pizza or candy every now and then, and just watch my overall calorie intake.
This works best for me too. Lets face it, when I have a sweet tooth, fruit is just NOT going to cut it. Same with my other cravings. I try to eat as clean as I personally possibly can stand, but some things, there is just no substitutions for.
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does DIY = Dirty Internet Yoga or am I in the wrong the place..???0
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CICO, and incidentally, I like processed foods, like ice cream!0
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How Clean Eating Made Me Fat but ice Cream And Subway Got Me Lean - interesting take on this whole subject right there.MrCoolGrim wrote: »Don't you still have to eat in moderation if your trying to eat clean?
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Weight Watchers and All You Can Eat.MrCoolGrim wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »MrCoolGrim wrote: »Don't you still have to eat in moderation if your trying to eat clean?
I would say yes, but several people have told me on here that if you eat clean (according to their definition), it doesn't matter how much you eat.
From what I understand, WW is pushing that, and made all produce an AYCE category.
Can you please explain what the abbreiviations "WW" & "AYCE" stand for? thx
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One is for weight loss ( moderation if it means caloric deficit ) and the other is for overall /general health.
I have eaten a natural diet all my life and still gained weight, because I ate too much of it.
I started to eat the same things at a deficit and lost 55 pounds.
So a diet for weight loss can't be appropriate for achieving or maintaining overall/general health?
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deannaxsmithx wrote: »are you more successful with your weight loss when eating foods in moderation or eating strictly healthy foods?
moderation in this case meaning eating whatever you'd like as long as it's within your calorie goal. following serving sizes. weighing your food.
clean eating meaning eating only healthy foods such as fruits, vegetables, lean meats, organic products, etc
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im trying to set some healthy goals because
i have high colesterol, and high blood pressure
6 foot , 210 pounds aint bad but i should be around 175
gota ways to go
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both. and recently, i didn't see a change until i reigned in my moderation. basically, i had to practice moderation for my moderation.0
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If you had to rein in your moderation, then you were not eating in moderation.0
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LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »If you had to rein in your moderation, then you were not eating in moderation.
maybe i should explain myself better...
i lost a lot of weight, and then tried to follow the "everything in moderation" style of eating. a treat here, a treat there. after my initial weight loss, i would basically just be losing the same 5-10 pounds over and over.
about a three months ago i basically tightened up my diet, started weighing and measuring everything, using the recipe builder on this site, and choosing more healthy "clean" foods than quick processed, packaged snacks and meals. since then, i've noticed a difference and started dropping weight again.
was i not eating in moderation? nope. was i probably over eating? yup. but the two tend to go hand and hand for the beginner, and like i said, when i started moderating my moderation, i started to lose weight again.0 -
Capt_Apollo wrote: »LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »If you had to rein in your moderation, then you were not eating in moderation.
maybe i should explain myself better...
i lost a lot of weight, and then tried to follow the "everything in moderation" style of eating. a treat here, a treat there. after my initial weight loss, i would basically just be losing the same 5-10 pounds over and over.
about a three months ago i basically tightened up my diet, started weighing and measuring everything, using the recipe builder on this site, and choosing more healthy "clean" foods than quick processed, packaged snacks and meals. since then, i've noticed a difference and started dropping weight again.
was i not eating in moderation? nope. was i probably over eating? yup. but the two tend to go hand and hand for the beginner, and like i said, when i started moderating my moderation, i started to lose weight again.
Regardless, you were not eating in moderation.0 -
LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »Capt_Apollo wrote: »LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »If you had to rein in your moderation, then you were not eating in moderation.
maybe i should explain myself better...
i lost a lot of weight, and then tried to follow the "everything in moderation" style of eating. a treat here, a treat there. after my initial weight loss, i would basically just be losing the same 5-10 pounds over and over.
about a three months ago i basically tightened up my diet, started weighing and measuring everything, using the recipe builder on this site, and choosing more healthy "clean" foods than quick processed, packaged snacks and meals. since then, i've noticed a difference and started dropping weight again.
was i not eating in moderation? nope. was i probably over eating? yup. but the two tend to go hand and hand for the beginner, and like i said, when i started moderating my moderation, i started to lose weight again.
Regardless, you were not eating in moderation.
Thanks
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LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »Capt_Apollo wrote: »LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »If you had to rein in your moderation, then you were not eating in moderation.
maybe i should explain myself better...
i lost a lot of weight, and then tried to follow the "everything in moderation" style of eating. a treat here, a treat there. after my initial weight loss, i would basically just be losing the same 5-10 pounds over and over.
about a three months ago i basically tightened up my diet, started weighing and measuring everything, using the recipe builder on this site, and choosing more healthy "clean" foods than quick processed, packaged snacks and meals. since then, i've noticed a difference and started dropping weight again.
was i not eating in moderation? nope. was i probably over eating? yup. but the two tend to go hand and hand for the beginner, and like i said, when i started moderating my moderation, i started to lose weight again.
Regardless, you were not eating in moderation.
I'll go back to the comparison I used earlier. If you eat 100 calories of something instead of 160, that's moderation. If you eat 80 instead of 100 that's also moderation. If you go from 160 to 100 to 80, they're all moderation.0 -
The numbers of calories you list are arbitrary. What is moderation for you might not be moderation for me. If you are gaining weight while eating in "moderation," then you are not eating in moderation, no matter how many calories you are eating.0
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