Flexible Dieters (80/20, IIFYM) vs. Clean Eaters
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^^^ Totally agree.FoxyLifter wrote: »I try to eat the yummiest foods that fit my macros/micros. For example: I have 200 calories for dessert and I haven't hit my protein goal yet. Nutella tastes great, but I'll grab a quest bar. If I really want Nutella, I'll plan ahead for it.
Bad foods = foods that taste gross to me (most salad dressings, deli meats, some raw veggies) and foods I'm allergic to (none so far).
~For weight loss: calories in < calories out.
~For body composition: get enough protein and lift heavy.
~For overall health: get enough fat, micronutrients, water, rest, maybe some cardio.
~For your sanity: don't eliminate a whole group of foods for no medical reason.
Moderation, variation, and no unnecessary elimination!
Trigger foods (food that makes you more hungry after eating it should be temporarily eliminated until portion control can be properly exercised.
I don't "punish" myself for going over my calories. I move on and try again. I'm not perfect, but I'm overall happy.
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chivalryder wrote: »
I'm sorry if I spoiled your fun. If it makes you feel any better, here's a picture of a man riding a rodent, riding a green bird.
Is that Putin??0 -
I was a clean eater eating primal (paleo with a little bit of dairy) for a while and I did the whole30 challenge in february. Part of the challenge is to not count calories and not weight yourself. In the whole month I lost only 2.4 pounds. Now I'm eating mostly flexible. Just this week I had chocolate twice, one cream cheese bagels and one beer. Things I didn't have at all this year and I lost more weight this week by counting my calories than in the whole month of February.
I'm done with the paleo dogma. As long as I get enough of my macros, now I allow myself to have small treats.0 -
I work really hard at "clean" eating. For me, that's separate from losing weight. I turned 40 this year, and I'm only 16 years younger than when my mother died. I don't want to lose weight by eating sugary snacks, cereals, treats and processed foods. What good is being thin if you're riddled with mood disorders, imbalances, and disease? I love knowing that I'm nourishing my body and giving it what it needs. My personal choice is to ensure that everything I consume gives me good nourishment in some way. I'm not perfect by any means, but eating whole foods is super important to me. It might not be that important to someone else -- to someone else, it might be all about the weight loss. But for me, it's so much more than that. It's becoming healthy in every sense of the word.
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compgeek812 wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »
I'm sorry if I spoiled your fun. If it makes you feel any better, here's a picture of a man riding a rodent, riding a green bird.
Is that Putin??
Yes... Yes it is.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
By some accounts there are more than 29 (depending on how fine grained one gets), but yes, we're on the same page.chivalryder wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
All of them?Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »sjohnson__1 wrote: »I know where I stand on this - I'm a clean eater if by clean eating you mean cleaning out the inside of my cereal/poptart/icecream containers once I've satisfied my micronutrient needs and have room in my macros. So it's not a personal matter but rather, a discussion topic that I (along with many others, I'm sure) would enjoy partaking in and hearing rational arguments from both POV's.
So...Here's your opportunity to explain your thought process with regards to your nutrition.
GO!
What micros are you logging, and how? Ie how do you know you're meeting your micro needs?
the phone app shows your micros when you click on the pie chart
viatamine C,,A, iron, and calcium…so five of them ...
You do realize there are 29 micronutrients, right? Not 5.
So, how can you tell you're getting all of the micronutrients you need?
The 29,
Calcium, Vitamin A, Chloride, Vitamin B6, Chromium, Vitamin B12, Copper, Vitamin C, Iodine, Vitamin D, Iron, Vitamin E, Magnesium, Vitamin K, Manganese, Thiamin, Molybdenum, Riboflavin, Phosphorus, Niacin, Potassium, Folate, Selenium, Pantothenic Acid, Sodium, Biotin, Sulfur, Choline, Zinc,
are the micronutrients listed by the USA government DRI. Any more than that, you're getting into more unknown and less studied nutrients that we're not entirely sure we need in order to survive.
Iodine would be one I'd be worried about "clean" eaters not getting enough of.
"I only use pure, organic sea salt in all my recipes."
Ok - well don't be mad when I laugh at your goiter.
You can get plenty of iodine from dairy products, such as cottage cheese, milk, and yogurt. You can also get it from turkey, fish, beans, and eggs.
Hmm, I did not know this.
Well darn. I was looking forward to all the protruding thyroids from the clean eating movement.
Kelp is a good source too. Maybe iodine overkill actually.0 -
What I usually do is create a backbone of my day, of all the main foods I plan on eating. Then I decide what I can fit in where. I also kind of have a mental checklist going on at all times.
For example, if I created my basic backbone and have gaps, I will look at my day and think:
Have I hit my protein goal for the day? Fat? How are my carbs looking?
Have I had enough grains, legumes and other foods to hit my fiber goal ?
Have a had enough servings of different vegetables, in particular leafy greens? What about fruit?
Does my day look balanced? (this is a subjective term that only I can really gauge for myself)
Then I will decide where I am lacking or if I have wiggle room and what to fill it with. Sometimes it's ice cream, cookies, cereal, other times it's nuts, seeds, peanut butter, yogurt, etc.
I don't have any restrictions, but I do set goals for myself in terms of how I prefer my day to look. However, if it doesn't look that great here and there, big deal, I move on. I love to cook, try new foods, experiment with flavours and I try my best enjoy everything that I eat.0 -
What I usually do is create a backbone of my day, of all the main foods I plan on eating. Then I decide what I can fit in where. I also kind of have a mental checklist going on at all times.
For example, if I created my basic backbone and have gaps, I will look at my day and think:
Have I hit my protein goal for the day? Fat? How are my carbs looking?
Have I had enough grains, legumes and other foods to hit my fiber goal ?
Have a had enough servings of different vegetables, in particular leafy greens? What about fruit?
Does my day look balanced? (this is a subjective term that only I can really gauge for myself)
Then I will decide where I am lacking or if I have wiggle room and what to fill it with. Sometimes it's ice cream, cookies, cereal, other times it's nuts, seeds, peanut butter, yogurt, etc.
I don't have any restrictions, but I do set goals for myself in terms of how I prefer my day to look. However, if it doesn't look that great here and there, big deal, I move on. I love to cook, try new foods, experiment with flavours and I try my best enjoy everything that I eat.
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What I usually do is create a backbone of my day, of all the main foods I plan on eating. Then I decide what I can fit in where. I also kind of have a mental checklist going on at all times.
For example, if I created my basic backbone and have gaps, I will look at my day and think:
Have I hit my protein goal for the day? Fat? How are my carbs looking?
Have I had enough grains, legumes and other foods to hit my fiber goal ?
Have a had enough servings of different vegetables, in particular leafy greens? What about fruit?
Does my day look balanced? (this is a subjective term that only I can really gauge for myself)
Then I will decide where I am lacking or if I have wiggle room and what to fill it with. Sometimes it's ice cream, cookies, cereal, other times it's nuts, seeds, peanut butter, yogurt, etc.
I don't have any restrictions, but I do set goals for myself in terms of how I prefer my day to look. However, if it doesn't look that great here and there, big deal, I move on. I love to cook, try new foods, experiment with flavours and I try my best enjoy everything that I eat.
This is basically how I think of it too.
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chivalryder wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
By some accounts there are more than 29 (depending on how fine grained one gets), but yes, we're on the same page.chivalryder wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
All of them?Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »sjohnson__1 wrote: »I know where I stand on this - I'm a clean eater if by clean eating you mean cleaning out the inside of my cereal/poptart/icecream containers once I've satisfied my micronutrient needs and have room in my macros. So it's not a personal matter but rather, a discussion topic that I (along with many others, I'm sure) would enjoy partaking in and hearing rational arguments from both POV's.
So...Here's your opportunity to explain your thought process with regards to your nutrition.
GO!
What micros are you logging, and how? Ie how do you know you're meeting your micro needs?
the phone app shows your micros when you click on the pie chart
viatamine C,,A, iron, and calcium…so five of them ...
You do realize there are 29 micronutrients, right? Not 5.
So, how can you tell you're getting all of the micronutrients you need?
The 29,
Calcium, Vitamin A, Chloride, Vitamin B6, Chromium, Vitamin B12, Copper, Vitamin C, Iodine, Vitamin D, Iron, Vitamin E, Magnesium, Vitamin K, Manganese, Thiamin, Molybdenum, Riboflavin, Phosphorus, Niacin, Potassium, Folate, Selenium, Pantothenic Acid, Sodium, Biotin, Sulfur, Choline, Zinc,
are the micronutrients listed by the USA government DRI. Any more than that, you're getting into more unknown and less studied nutrients that we're not entirely sure we need in order to survive.
Iodine would be one I'd be worried about "clean" eaters not getting enough of.
"I only use pure, organic sea salt in all my recipes."
Ok - well don't be mad when I laugh at your goiter.
You can get plenty of iodine from dairy products, such as cottage cheese, milk, and yogurt. You can also get it from turkey, fish, beans, and eggs.
Hmm, I did not know this.
Well darn. I was looking forward to all the protruding thyroids from the clean eating movement.
I'm sorry if I spoiled your fun. If it makes you feel any better, here's a picture of a man riding a rodent, riding a green bird.
That's not just any man. That's Putin.
The internet delivers again.
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I don't know how to define how I eat. I aim to get a lot of protein. I aim to eat a lot of veggies. I aim to keep my carbs moderate. I have certain foods like cottage cheese and Greek yogurt and lentils that I really like. I tend to eat them frequently.
Every now and then, I want something like potato chips or cookies. It's not all that often. Since I am eating the way I usually do, I see if I can fit the treat into my day and have it and juggle things around a little bit to fit it in.
So I guess I'm a flexible eater? I can't say that I'm an IIFYM type, because I probably come too low in fat too often since I don't really pay attention to it.
I just eat food I like with an eye on certain macros because I've found that managing them mitigates the fatigue I get from some chronic medical conditions I have.
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