A short rant about many of the posts I have been seeing here. May come off as harsh but must be said
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And you should follow the advice of someone who has been in fantastic shape for longer than me over mine. I will never debate that. That doesnt change the fact there are some simple rules to follow to lose weight.
If we want to continue the car analogy, would you rather follow the advice on cars from someone who drives a car or who rides a bike.. the same rules apply. I have lost weight, I know how I did it, I know the rules work.
Can we stop the car analogy here though because otherwise we're going to get confused.0 -
novembersuse wrote: »The whole point of MFP is for support and motivation. If people didn't struggle, and fail, and start again, and fail again, and keep going and keep trying, there would be no MFP and everyone would be fit and slim and at their optimum health. Human beings are falliable, and losing weight is tough. Maybe not for you, for which, well done. But other folk sometimes struggle.
no mfp if for counting calories..
I never understood where people get the "this is a support and motivation" site…
when you sign up it asks you to put your states in and gives you a calorie number to eat to. It does not ask what support or motivational group you want to join.
It might be for you, it is for me, but why do they have a forum entitled Motivation and support? The forums are part of MFP as well.
Can we have a mean people thread soon....0 -
i sense op is a troll...0
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OP is not a troll, and it saddens me to think that people think I am. It really makes me worry.0
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Where did Lil Suzie go after the explosion?
Here and There.0 -
novembersuse wrote: »The whole point of MFP is for support and motivation. If people didn't struggle, and fail, and start again, and fail again, and keep going and keep trying, there would be no MFP and everyone would be fit and slim and at their optimum health. Human beings are falliable, and losing weight is tough. Maybe not for you, for which, well done. But other folk sometimes struggle.
no mfp if for counting calories..
I never understood where people get the "this is a support and motivation" site…
when you sign up it asks you to put your states in and gives you a calorie number to eat to. It does not ask what support or motivational group you want to join.
It might be for you, it is for me, but why do they have a forum entitled Motivation and support? The forums are part of MFP as well.
Yes, and every other forum is devoted to health and fitness, so what does that tell you???
One forum = motivation
All others = health and fitness
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I never respond on these threads much but I had to on this one.....
Sorry OP, but you are wrong. Some people, myself included, have a much harder road.....
I have to work out hard every day, eat a 1200 calorie diet to MAINTAIN....
I have Hashimoto's, hypothyroid and am insulin resistant. Until I get my levels optimized, I will not lose weight. The endocrinologist has been trying for 3 years and we still can not get it right. But, I plug away....at least knowing that I am not putting on additional weight but I do not see weight loss like I should.
My metabolism is very slow.
It really gets on my nerves the way that people come on here and spit out this crap saying that everyone is the same and it is SIMPLE to lose weight the same way. But, we are not all the same--and we do not have the same metabolic systems.
I am happy for you that you have seen such success, but do not stand there and pretend to understand what many go through to even see one pound of weight loss. I think the primary purpose of these forums should be to encourage, NOT bash.
You are young and uneducated so I will forgive you. It is the older/ more experienced people on here that should know better.0 -
Cking. Are you telling me, if you didn't eat for 2 weeks you would not lose a single lb? You understand that is literally defeating the laws of physics.0
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joejward95 wrote: »Amanda, you're making such little sense.(sorry that sounded rude) Yes I dont know as much as someone who has been fit for 10 years, but the very fact that I have lost weight shows I atleast HAVE the knowledge to have gotten there in the first place. Im not going to suddenly lose the knowledge next week.
If I start gaining in 10 years, I either work out harder or eat less. Its a simple rule to follow.
You know that self starvation will get someone to the same place? I doubt it allows them to posit on healthy eating practices. Experience is good, it isn't an automatic base of knowledge. Otherwise, the people here that have lost 100lbs three or four times (and regained it a year or two later) would be the best diet coaches.
Heck, I spent so much time in universities you'd think I know everything about your studies and what you need to do to succeed in school and life. Hint: I don't. Personal experience isn't a universal license on managing all cases for all. Thinking that shows both hubris and inexperience.0 -
19 year old who thinks he knows it all and has been here a whole whopping six months spouting off at the mouth. You're still new here. Stick around for at least 2-3 years like some of us, long enough to learn and see trends, get to know people and then you can say you're not new. Also get back to us in about 10-20 years when you actually have some hardships in your life you have to work through.
Harsh? Nah just the truth.0 -
>so get back to us in about 10-20 years when you actually have some hardships in your life you have to work through.
You don't know a damned thing about me. Hardships are not an excuse for not being able to lose weight. Isn't it funny how people feel the need to use personal attacks and tell me about what my life has been like?0 -
joejward95 wrote: »And you should follow the advice of someone who has been in fantastic shape for longer than me over mine. I will never debate that. That doesnt change the fact there are some simple rules to follow to lose weight.
If we want to continue the car analogy, would you rather follow the advice on cars from someone who drives a car or who rides a bike.. the same rules apply. I have lost weight, I know how I did it, I know the rules work.
Can we stop the car analogy here though because otherwise we're going to get confused.
I'm in fantastic shape. Have been for years.
As for cars, I ride a bike everywhere. I'd never choose to get behind the wheel of a race car. And I don't street drag anymore. I traded the sports car for the mini-suv thingie with the surfboard rack. And if people know enough about how analogies work, I doubt there's confusion. Most people study analogies in middle school, and certainly they are a decent sized part of the SATs.
I don't disagree about there being basic rules. What I completely disagree with is getting online and telling everyone that you're going to rant about others finding the process more difficult than you did and thinking you know everything about how to fix these things.
If someone asks a specific question, and you think you can help, then spend your energy helping them within their thread. Writing a rant like this is wasted energy. Either go help people or bow out.0 -
Mfp is a health and fitness site
And wouldnt part of health and fitness require advice and support about how to achieve it?
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joejward95 wrote: »Cking. Are you telling me, if you didn't eat for 2 weeks you would not lose a single lb? You understand that is literally defeating the laws of physics.
Are you suggesting this is a good weight loss strategy?
You understand that this is literally the path to eating disorders or medical issues?
Telling someone with hashimoto's and other clinical issues that not eating for 2 weeks will result in weight loss shows ... What? Your maturity? Don't think so.0 -
Okay if you say so. Ignorance is bliss I guess...0
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No I am not promoting not eating for 2 weeks ffs. That much is obvious. I was making a point. She said she LITERALLY CANNOT LOSE WEIGHT. I was showing a scenario where that is impossible. And you know it, you're just trying to discredit what I have said by giving it out of context... pathetic really.0
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »joejward95 wrote: »Cking. Are you telling me, if you didn't eat for 2 weeks you would not lose a single lb? You understand that is literally defeating the laws of physics.
Are you suggesting this is a good weight loss strategy?
You understand that this is literally the path to eating disorders or medical issues?
Telling someone with hashimoto's and other clinical issues that not eating for 2 weeks will result in weight loss shows ... What? Your maturity? Don't think so.
Exactly what I was thinking0 -
joejward95 wrote: »Cking. Are you telling me, if you didn't eat for 2 weeks you would not lose a single lb? You understand that is literally defeating the laws of physics.
That's not going to the extreme at all guru... not even a little bit!!19 year old who thinks he knows it all and has been here a whole whopping six months spouting off at the mouth. You're still new here. Stick around for at least 2-3 years like some of us, long enough to learn and see trends, get to know people and then you can say you're not new. Also get back to us in about 10-20 years when you actually have some hardships in your life you have to work through.
Harsh? Nah just the truth.
^ this lol Also when your test levels are at it's peak it's allot easier to lose weight ... but I'm sure the guru already knew this . . .0 -
joejward95 wrote: »If this post actually managed to deter someone, they really cant have had much motivation in the first place to achieve their goals. I mean really? Do you genuinely think a post like this would make someone go
"Welp, I guess I cant lose weight then because this post doesn't apply to me". Seriously?
it might start some negative thoughts off and lead to binging though.
If i were having a tough day, this would be my thought process after reading your post:
-He's calling me weak and un-dedicated because i'm struggling with my weightloss
-why am i so useless, why do i find this so hard?
-it's totally true and I'm going to be a fat lazy disgusting pig for the rest of my life
-oh s*d then i might as well go eat, whats the point anyway?
-maybe ill choke on this food and then at least i wont have to deal with this anymore
Cue one deeply negative spiral that could de-rail someone who struggles with binging and self loathing, for days.
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I didn't think I would ever actually use the following on an internet site, but got to love the ad hominem attacks on the OP.
"You're young, therefore your point is invalid"
He has said in posts that there is no doubt some people who do fall outside the norm for body functions. Those who have actual medical conditions which may limit their ability to lose weight but for those who DON'T have a medical condition you need to accept that the inability for you to lose weight is down to you.
I'm 34, I agree completely with OP, I could repost his exact post and point out that I get up at 4:30, have a 2 hour commute to work, do a 8 hour stressful job and then do another 2 hour commute back home. I then have my daughter to deal with, sort out lunches, dinners, clean the house.So does
So does the fact that I'm older and have a stressful life make his post any more or less worthwhile?0 -
Hey Joe, just wanted to let you know that I have used every excuse known to man (woman). But you are exactly right - no matter how you say it - harsh but true, for me anyway. Yes you are young but I admire your determination. I have been struggling with weight loss and gain for the better part of my life and finally realize that the more excuses you make the harder it is to even try to lose - because you've already set yourself up for failure. Believe me I know I have been through every one of these scenarios and could even add a few. Since January 2015 I have lost 16 pounds just by trying to get 10,000 plus steps a day (fitbit). This lets me know that yes I can lose but I have to move it to lose it. Different things work for different people, diet alone was not working for me. These 16 pounds have made me realize that diet with exercising more can only help me get there quicker. Thanks for the so called harsh statements - but that's just what I needed so I'm happy to say this was meant for me to read - so I thank you. Hope to keep up with you and proudly report back to you when I reach my goal - I have 100 pounds to go but I'm gonna do it this time! I know it's all up to me.0
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I never respond on these threads much but I had to on this one.....
Sorry OP, but you are wrong. Some people, myself included, have a much harder road.....
I have to work out hard every day, eat a 1200 calorie diet to MAINTAIN....
I have Hashimoto's, hypothyroid and am insulin resistant. Until I get my levels optimized, I will not lose weight. The endocrinologist has been trying for 3 years and we still can not get it right. But, I plug away....at least knowing that I am not putting on additional weight but I do not see weight loss like I should.
My metabolism is very slow.
It really gets on my nerves the way that people come on here and spit out this crap saying that everyone is the same and it is SIMPLE to lose weight the same way. But, we are not all the same--and we do not have the same metabolic systems.
I am happy for you that you have seen such success, but do not stand there and pretend to understand what many go through to even see one pound of weight loss. I think the primary purpose of these forums should be to encourage, NOT bash.
You are young and uneducated so I will forgive you. It is the older/ more experienced people on here that should know better.
If by encourage you mean "encourage good practices" sure, I agree.
Poor nutritional advice, woo diets and similar waste of time and money shouldn't be encouraged.
By the way - have you looked at any of the possible macro partitioning diets to see if low carb or other macro techniques helps with your conditions?0 -
joejward95 wrote: »Cking. Are you telling me, if you didn't eat for 2 weeks you would not lose a single lb? You understand that is literally defeating the laws of physics.
Quite possibly:p
Actually though, with a 1200 cal a day intake and exercise burns up to 600 6 days a week...I am almost there.
But, yes, this response shows your immaturity.
I am happy for you and your successes....but you cannot say that everyone is the same. It is simply NOT truth.0 -
joejward95 wrote: »>so get back to us in about 10-20 years when you actually have some hardships in your life you have to work through.
You don't know a damned thing about me. Hardships are not an excuse for not being able to lose weight. Isn't it funny how people feel the need to use personal attacks and tell me about what my life has been like?
And you know nothing about the ones you are criticizing. Part of what you are saying I can agree with I am a very forward person. The reality is I won't judge you or anyone else. Now if you ask for my advice or opinion then that is a different story . I lost 129 pounds in 365 days and am proud of that accomplishment. Truth be told had I sacked up and done it at your age it would have been much easier. I didn't and that's on me. I see where you are coming from I really do just know that most people will not be talked into being motivated.
Good luck with your journey.0 -
Cking how is that physically possible. Where are you getting the energy to use those 600 calories? You're not getting energy out of thing air to convert to kinetic energy when you move. You have to have a source of energy(stored fat or food) to even move.0
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OP, hormones are more powerful than willpower. If you have some time, do some research on insulin resistance, especially the work of Dr. Robert Lustig.
I happen to agree with you that weight is 90% diet, I just disagree with the idea that it is 100% calories in vs calories out. It has more to do with the type of calories you take in rather than the amount.
Oh, and I'm not using this as an excuse for anything, as I have never been overweight, so I have nothing to make excuses for. I'm just asking that you take a look at some of the current research about hormones and weight before making up your mind about what you think.0 -
It seems to me Joe that you have had some success with weight loss so you think you are an expert on the topic. I am no expert but I have studied the topic exstensivley over the last several years. I can tell you for certain you are taking an extrememly complex topic and trying to make it fit into a small little math problem. Sure we could not eat anything and 100% of the time we would lose weight but fasting when trying to work, take care of your children, and live life doesn't work for most people. There is only one thing in regards to weight loss that bothers me more than people that make excuses...people that come on the message boards and pretend to be an expert when they know very little about the topic of which they are talking.
My thoughts exactly. I agree with some of what you have said, OP, but some of it is off base. If I had put in the effort I am now when I was 18, I'd lose weight quickly too. But I'm not. I'm 37 with a 8 month old, a demanding job, two dogs, a pile of laundry and dishes and a husband who works long hours. Squeezing in 30 minutes of exercise is all I can manage now, and planning healthy meals and snacks takes a lot of my time, time I have very little of unless I want to get up at 4AM. These are not excuses - these are the REASONS it's hard for a lot of people. Going to college is NOT the same as working 40+ hours when you are a parent. College can be demanding, I know - but it's not the same.
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I can agree with most of your original post, but I can also agree with some of the other commenters. Are many of the posts people make on MFP frustrating to read? Absolutely. Is weight loss ultimately down to calories in, calories out? Yes. Are people responsible for their own health and choices? Yes again. However, you can share these truths without shaming people in the process. I think your post would have been better received if you had kept your primary points, but toned down the aggression.
One other thing. Some people who struggle with physical/mental health issues are unable to get proper medical help. I have multiple mental illnesses and cannot currently afford the treatment I need to function as a stable human being. This hasn't stopped me from losing weight, and this does not change that basic formula of calories in/calories out. However, it doesn't hurt to have empathy for those who are not currently in the right physical or mental state to lose weight in a healthy manner.0 -
ditsyblond17 wrote: »judiness101 wrote: »Wow, you just solved the obesity epidemic. Congratulations!
Haha, I was gonna say the same thing. Congrats on having the easiest time losing weight, OP. WOULD YOU LIKE AN AWARD? most of us are on here for motivation and support. Harsh posts like this, deter people from posting anything. Sad really, because The people that need to the most are the ones that won't speak up because of stuff like this. Just know, it isn't as easy for everyone. Consider yourself lucky to not have a third shift job or thyroid disease, or hormonal imbalance. Congrats.
Just started reading but needed to comment on this. I DO have a "third shift" job. My schedule can be down right insane, however, I am still losing weight. Sorry, but the time of your shift makes absolutely NO difference in ability to lose weight. This will be harsh but that is truly just an excuse (and a bad one at that).0
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