Yet another new study confirms fat people drink diet soda...
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I will admit I drink too much of it but too many variables in these studies, how many of those people who drank diet pop exercised on a regular basis, how many had family histories of medical issues, what else did they drink and eat blah blah blah.0
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Awaiting the study showing that lots of people with emphysema quit smoking, and drawing the conclusion that quitting smoking causes emphysema.
Also, people with broken limbs don't ski anymore. Quitting skiing causes broken bones.
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Fat people are not fat from drinking diet soda.... we are fat from washing down tons of greasy calorie laden rubbish food with diet soda. grrrr0
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Oh I'm sure there's a link:MoiAussi93 wrote: »I will just say that there have been many studies that have indicated there may be a link between diet soda...more specifically artificial sweeteners...and weight gain, heart disease, stroke, etc.
People are overweight.
They don't want to be overweight anymore.
They start drinking "diet soda" thinking it will help them lose weight or prevent them from gaining more.
There's definitely a cause and effect relationship going on in many cases, but drinking diet soda is the effect, not the cause.
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I'm certainly not fat and even when training for HMs I've drunk Coke Zero. *shrug* Yet another study I don't give a damn about.0
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OP, what's wrong here isn't that fat people drink diet soda it's that some people feel the need to bash others for THEIR choices.....
btw I choose diet soda.....0 -
And some of us don't even drink soda! hmm maybe there should be a study about fat people who don't drink soda.Terpnista84 wrote: »I hear fat people drink regular soda, too.
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I never drank any soda and got fat. Now that I've lost 80 lbs, I occasionally drink diet soda, and continue to lose weight.
I like it because it's sweet but has zero carbs. I can't haz carbz so I drink the diet soda.0 -
What's great about the study is that it links it to adults 65 and over increasing their waist size. Not like in the 9 years they studied them that metabolism likely also slowed due to aging.
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I don't think diet soda is innocent, but I don't think it causes weight gain. It might make a switch in our heads that make us eat more, thinking we're doing ok in our diets, but the soda itself doesn't cause it. Other health detriments? Yeah. Probably. They'll nail it for something one day. But I doubt our fat percentage will be one of them.
I've lost 35 pounds of fat over the last year, gone from about 27% body fat to about 12% since September, and the only thing I have left to kick is my Diet Coke addiction.0 -
The difference between medicine and poison is the dose.0
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Your mistake was rather ionic.1960HikerDude wrote: »The problem with diet soda is that it is contaminated with hydrogen dioxide. Almost all commercially available beverages in the US contain high levels of hydrogen dioxide. Our rivers, lakes and even springs located deep in the wilderness have it too. If that stuff gets into your lungs you can die!
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I love diet soda. I have a 24 pack at my desk at work.0
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LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
Your mistake was rather ionic.1960HikerDude wrote: »The problem with diet soda is that it is contaminated with hydrogen dioxide. Almost all commercially available beverages in the US contain high levels of hydrogen dioxide. Our rivers, lakes and even springs located deep in the wilderness have it too. If that stuff gets into your lungs you can die!
I hope there aren't people drinking hydrogen dioxide. That would be...problematic.0 -
What's great about the study is that it links it to adults 65 and over increasing their waist size. Not like in the 9 years they studied them that metabolism likely also slowed due to aging.
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You do realize that there was a control group right? There's always a control group in prospective studies.
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I think you are oversimplifying the issue. While the jury is still out, there have been numerous studies indicating artificial sweeteners are not good for health in general. It's more than just weight. Do they, on their own, make you fat? No, of course not. But I think they could quite possibly be detrimental in many cases and most likely contribute to other problems. More research in this area is needed to get a better understanding..and that is why the studies continue.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
Oh I'm sure there's a link:MoiAussi93 wrote: »I will just say that there have been many studies that have indicated there may be a link between diet soda...more specifically artificial sweeteners...and weight gain, heart disease, stroke, etc.
People are overweight.
They don't want to be overweight anymore.
They start drinking "diet soda" thinking it will help them lose weight or prevent them from gaining more.
There's definitely a cause and effect relationship going on in many cases, but drinking diet soda is the effect, not the cause.
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EVERYBODY in the study was over 65. So all of their metabolisms had slowed due to aging. The point is that those who drank the soda had waists that grew MORE than those who didn't.What's great about the study is that it links it to adults 65 and over increasing their waist size. Not like in the 9 years they studied them that metabolism likely also slowed due to aging.
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I'm not worried about diet sodas. As long as you don't live off it you'll be fine. I'm one of those people that it actually helps me stave of my sweet tooth most of the time, as long as I don't drink like more than a can or two a day (I don't usually drink it daily, too). I'm a researcher and I know that many studies don't take into account individual differences, so let's just not forget that when reading articles. Science never means things are proven, they just have tendencies to go a certain way.0
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enterdanger wrote: »OMG. I'm fat but don't drink diet soda or any soda? How did this happen?
Gremlins!0 -
Diet drinkers vs non consumed the same numbers of calories per day drift?MoiAussi93 wrote: »
EVERYBODY in the study was over 65. So all of their metabolisms had slowed due to aging. The point is that those who drank the soda had waists that grew MORE than those who didn't.What's great about the study is that it links it to adults 65 and over increasing their waist size. Not like in the 9 years they studied them that metabolism likely also slowed due to aging.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutritionMoiAussi93 wrote: »
EVERYBODY in the study was over 65. So all of their metabolisms had slowed due to aging. The point is that those who drank the soda had waists that grew MORE than those who didn't.What's great about the study is that it links it to adults 65 and over increasing their waist size. Not like in the 9 years they studied them that metabolism likely also slowed due to aging.
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So in the full text does it say diet soda drinkers consumed the same calories every day and had similar energy expenditures as those who did not drink soda?
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Well, the full text of the study was not provided, so I cannot answer that question for you. I was just addressing his comment that older people have slower metabolisms and this somehow influenced the results...it did not.
Diet drinkers vs non consumed the same numbers of calories per day drift?MoiAussi93 wrote: »
EVERYBODY in the study was over 65. So all of their metabolisms had slowed due to aging. The point is that those who drank the soda had waists that grew MORE than those who didn't.What's great about the study is that it links it to adults 65 and over increasing their waist size. Not like in the 9 years they studied them that metabolism likely also slowed due to aging.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutritionMoiAussi93 wrote: »
EVERYBODY in the study was over 65. So all of their metabolisms had slowed due to aging. The point is that those who drank the soda had waists that grew MORE than those who didn't.What's great about the study is that it links it to adults 65 and over increasing their waist size. Not like in the 9 years they studied them that metabolism likely also slowed due to aging.
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So in the full text does it say diet soda drinkers consumed the same calories every day and had similar energy expenditures as those who did not drink soda?
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Actually there was no control group. Studies like this are usually "questionnaires" if they are that long. If it was questionnaire, how accurate is the information from the participants? We have NO IDEA what the diet was of any of the people in the study. Could the leaner people been more physically active versus those that weren't that may have drank diet soda daily?What's great about the study is that it links it to adults 65 and over increasing their waist size. Not like in the 9 years they studied them that metabolism likely also slowed due to aging.
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You do realize that there was a control group right? There's always a control group in prospective studies.
Were the eating patterns exactly the same as 9 years previously? Did any get diabetes along the way (since it's a higher risk to attain in elderly years)?
More questions than actual answers.
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I'm not worried about diet sodas. As long as you don't live off it you'll be fine. I'm one of those people that it actually helps me stave of my sweet tooth most of the time, as long as I don't drink like more than a can or two a day (I don't usually drink it daily, too). I'm a researcher and I know that many studies don't take into account individual differences, so let's just not forget that when reading articles. Science never means things are proven, they just have tendencies to go a certain way.
Don't really agree with that. Science does prove things, but not with just one study. It needs to be many specific studies done over time, with full control of all variables. And the results need to be repeatable with separate studies done by others. Which a lot of "diet" studies don't do very well.
I personally don't drink diet soda because I can't stand the aspertame aftertaste.0 -
I posted a huge wall of text on my facebook page about this. Rather than posting it here though, I'll cliff note it.
The study used dietary recall to assess diet soda consumption annually. We have plenty of evidence that dietary recall sucks. So it raises the question whether or not the assessment of soda consumption was accurate. Additionally, I'd question whether the inaccuracies would be greater in people age 65+ who this was used for.
And even if the assessment is accurate, you still can't establish that diet soda CAUSED people to gain waist circumference. It's quite feasible that the people who had the highest diet soda consumption were also making other choices that would lead them to gain waist circumference at a faster rate than people who chose not to drink diet soda.
Since we have evidence that adherence to the diet is a massively important factor to successful weight management, I think it's reasonable to include diet soda in your diet IF it helps you consume fewer calories. And if for some reason you believe that diet soda causes you to eat more calories, it might be reasonable to remove it or limit it.
But I don't think we can conclude that diet soda CAUSES obesity.
(See here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22301929 and perhaps here too:http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oby.20737/pdf)0 -
I drink a glass of either Coke Zero or Pepsi Max with my lunch (depends on what Walmart decides to do a price-drop for that week). But I am not fat. Oh well.0
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Anecdotal but I've drank diet sodas since I was a kid (my mother was diabetic, that's all she'd buy). Never been obese, always had a small waist even when overweight. ::Shrug::0
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I posted a huge wall of text on my facebook page about this. Rather than posting it here though, I'll cliff note it.
The study used dietary recall to assess diet soda consumption annually. We have plenty of evidence that dietary recall sucks. So it raises the question whether or not the assessment of soda consumption was accurate. Additionally, I'd question whether the inaccuracies would be greater in people age 65+ who this was used for.
And even if the assessment is accurate, you still can't establish that diet soda CAUSED people to gain waist circumference. It's quite feasible that the people who had the highest diet soda consumption were also making other choices that would lead them to gain waist circumference at a faster rate than people who chose not to drink diet soda.
Since we have evidence that adherence to the diet is a massively important factor to successful weight management, I think it's reasonable to include diet soda in your diet IF it helps you consume fewer calories. And if for some reason you believe that diet soda causes you to eat more calories, it might be reasonable to remove it or limit it.
But I don't think we can conclude that diet soda CAUSES obesity.
(See here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22301929 and perhaps here too:http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oby.20737/pdf)
Another issue I have is with quotes from the researcher. It almost sounds like they WANTED to find diet soda guilty.
And given a big enough dataset (like in say the "China study") you can find a lot of stuff you want if you try hard enough:0
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