The truth about "I still eat the foods I love"
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LimitedBluEdition wrote: »
OMG Me too! 106 pounds so far!!!!0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
What does eating 0 skittles instead 20 skittles (rather than the 1000 you want) imply?mamapeach910 wrote: »
Yes, but you haven't given up Skittles completely, which is what saying you've given something up implies.
I see you're here to play word games.
Why not just stick to the one about how we all moderate EVERYTHING?
and I'm laughing that we're talking about skittles!
You can't eat 0 of anything.
ok let's play mess with gricean pragmatics!
Hey, you left yourself open for that one
Zero consumption of skittles means just that. Zero consumption. You gave them up.
980 Skittles passed by me. I didn't eat a single one. Zero consumption of them. I gave up eating every Skittle that I said "No" to.
For not giving up anything, that's an awful lot of giving up.
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SingRunTing wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »If a small serving of ice cream isn't "worth it," then you need to evaluate why you'd consider a "food you love."
Honestly, if you need a full pint to feel like you got your ice cream on, you might be either buying crappy ice cream or eating too fast. Or maybe you just don't like ice cream as much as you think you do. Everyone needs to examine his or her own TRUE preferences and loves. Shoving food in your face without thinking about it isn't a love, it's a bad habit. When you break down tasty treats into proper portion sizes, it doesn't take that much to fit them into even a fairly low calorie limit. (I was eating premium gelato every night when I was at 1300, and I didn't have to starve myself all day to do it.) And, if you take the time to enjoy your treats, they will satisfy you.
^^This. Seriously.
And considering that, in my experience, most ice cream is ~160 calories per serving, its really not that hard to fit it in.
160 calories worth of ice cream is just sad...
May be sad for you, but not for everyone. I was just discussing the same exact things about habits and our perception. I grew up eating just one serving, and often even half a serving (kid's popsicle size). It feels plenty much to me because that's the amount I've always eaten even when I weighed more than 300 pounds, and because everyone I ever knew ate 1/2-1 serving and more seemed (and still seems) unnecessary.
I think that's the point really. Everyone should find an approach that works for them and not worry about what other people are doing. 160 calories of ice cream is sad to me, and I'd rather eat the whole pint. I just find a way to eat the whole pint, even if that means I only eat 4 pints a year - to me that's moderation (moderating frequency).
I find it fascinating that even amongst people who generally agree, there's still an undercurrent of 'you're not doing it right' (General observation - not directed at you).
That begs the question, why do people feel compelled to share any time they see someone who does the opposite of what works for them? Someone talks about looking forward to their cheat meal, the post telling them they should stop putting toxins in their body or that calling it a "cheat" is setting up for failure is not helping them in any way. Someone talks about how they constantly overeat pasta and have to give them up for a while, the post telling them "I eat it all the time" or if they don't eat it they're guaranteed to binge is not helping them in any way.
The answer to this is easy and pretty interesting. It's the reason the "share" and "like" buttons are popular. It's the same reason why fad diets (or any product, really) take off through word of mouth and anecdotes. Why some people more than others tend to be drawn into a cult mentality. The answer is: because we're human, we're social, and we're self-centered. The combination of all 3 encourages sharing. I don't want to make this long, it's just one of the topics that fascinate me.
Example: Person A talks about looking forward to cheat meal. (sharing out of sense of belonging)
Person B says: It's toxins! (sharing to educate - feeling they have more knowledge in the matter others may not have)
Person C says: You should not call it cheating! (sharing to help prevent failure - feeling they have gone through the same path and they are doing person A a social favor)
Person D says: I'm looking forward to my cheat meal too! (sharing for conformity and, again, sense of belonging)
Person E says: I don't do cheat meals. (sharing to re-affirm self and get a better idea of who they are)
Person F says: I've always wondered about cheat meals, I read this and that. (sharing because it's a topic or a cause they are interested in or feel strongly about)
...etc
Where the conflicts arise is when any of these people speak like there is only one version of "right" and it is theirs.
Same here. It seems people fall into two categories, those who live and let live, and those who take everyone else's behavior or words personally. Seems like all of these threads boil down to people saying the same thing, and arguing because they don't agree on what the definition of "is" is.
If it bothers you, don't participate.
A lot of people enjoy a good debate on semantics. It's entertaining. If it doesn't entertain you, then just click on the red x on the top of the screen and move along. Problem solved.
Found the 2nd group.0 -
SingRunTing wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »If a small serving of ice cream isn't "worth it," then you need to evaluate why you'd consider a "food you love."
Honestly, if you need a full pint to feel like you got your ice cream on, you might be either buying crappy ice cream or eating too fast. Or maybe you just don't like ice cream as much as you think you do. Everyone needs to examine his or her own TRUE preferences and loves. Shoving food in your face without thinking about it isn't a love, it's a bad habit. When you break down tasty treats into proper portion sizes, it doesn't take that much to fit them into even a fairly low calorie limit. (I was eating premium gelato every night when I was at 1300, and I didn't have to starve myself all day to do it.) And, if you take the time to enjoy your treats, they will satisfy you.
^^This. Seriously.
And considering that, in my experience, most ice cream is ~160 calories per serving, its really not that hard to fit it in.
160 calories worth of ice cream is just sad...
May be sad for you, but not for everyone. I was just discussing the same exact things about habits and our perception. I grew up eating just one serving, and often even half a serving (kid's popsicle size). It feels plenty much to me because that's the amount I've always eaten even when I weighed more than 300 pounds, and because everyone I ever knew ate 1/2-1 serving and more seemed (and still seems) unnecessary.
I think that's the point really. Everyone should find an approach that works for them and not worry about what other people are doing. 160 calories of ice cream is sad to me, and I'd rather eat the whole pint. I just find a way to eat the whole pint, even if that means I only eat 4 pints a year - to me that's moderation (moderating frequency).
I find it fascinating that even amongst people who generally agree, there's still an undercurrent of 'you're not doing it right' (General observation - not directed at you).
That begs the question, why do people feel compelled to share any time they see someone who does the opposite of what works for them? Someone talks about looking forward to their cheat meal, the post telling them they should stop putting toxins in their body or that calling it a "cheat" is setting up for failure is not helping them in any way. Someone talks about how they constantly overeat pasta and have to give them up for a while, the post telling them "I eat it all the time" or if they don't eat it they're guaranteed to binge is not helping them in any way.
The answer to this is easy and pretty interesting. It's the reason the "share" and "like" buttons are popular. It's the same reason why fad diets (or any product, really) take off through word of mouth and anecdotes. Why some people more than others tend to be drawn into a cult mentality. The answer is: because we're human, we're social, and we're self-centered. The combination of all 3 encourages sharing. I don't want to make this long, it's just one of the topics that fascinate me.
Example: Person A talks about looking forward to cheat meal. (sharing out of sense of belonging)
Person B says: It's toxins! (sharing to educate - feeling they have more knowledge in the matter others may not have)
Person C says: You should not call it cheating! (sharing to help prevent failure - feeling they have gone through the same path and they are doing person A a social favor)
Person D says: I'm looking forward to my cheat meal too! (sharing for conformity and, again, sense of belonging)
Person E says: I don't do cheat meals. (sharing to re-affirm self and get a better idea of who they are)
Person F says: I've always wondered about cheat meals, I read this and that. (sharing because it's a topic or a cause they are interested in or feel strongly about)
...etc
Where the conflicts arise is when any of these people speak like there is only one version of "right" and it is theirs.
Same here. It seems people fall into two categories, those who live and let live, and those who take everyone else's behavior or words personally. Seems like all of these threads boil down to people saying the same thing, and arguing because they don't agree on what the definition of "is" is.
If it bothers you, don't participate.
A lot of people enjoy a good debate on semantics. It's entertaining. If it doesn't entertain you, then just click on the red x on the top of the screen and move along. Problem solved.
Found the 2nd group.
Yup, you're right. I enjoy debates. I like being a part of them or just watching them. Which is why I hang out here.
If I didn't enjoy them, I wouldn't hang out here.0 -
OP here. It appears this thread has gotten away from me! And whetted my appetite for skittles at the same time!0
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Yeah, not playing the April Fool's word games.
I'll just say this.
Rice. It's okay, but I never eat it.
I haven't given it up, though.
Why? I might eat it, some day. For now, it's not worth the calories.
Brownies. They're fantastic. I never eat them.
I did give them up. (But might be ready to reintroduce them)
I gave them up because I couldn't control the quantity in which I ate them.
I grew up Catholic. When people said they gave up something for Lent, it meant they just didn't have it. At all. Such a simple concept.
Have fun with the semantics.0 -
SingRunTing wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »If a small serving of ice cream isn't "worth it," then you need to evaluate why you'd consider a "food you love."
Honestly, if you need a full pint to feel like you got your ice cream on, you might be either buying crappy ice cream or eating too fast. Or maybe you just don't like ice cream as much as you think you do. Everyone needs to examine his or her own TRUE preferences and loves. Shoving food in your face without thinking about it isn't a love, it's a bad habit. When you break down tasty treats into proper portion sizes, it doesn't take that much to fit them into even a fairly low calorie limit. (I was eating premium gelato every night when I was at 1300, and I didn't have to starve myself all day to do it.) And, if you take the time to enjoy your treats, they will satisfy you.
^^This. Seriously.
And considering that, in my experience, most ice cream is ~160 calories per serving, its really not that hard to fit it in.
160 calories worth of ice cream is just sad...
May be sad for you, but not for everyone. I was just discussing the same exact things about habits and our perception. I grew up eating just one serving, and often even half a serving (kid's popsicle size). It feels plenty much to me because that's the amount I've always eaten even when I weighed more than 300 pounds, and because everyone I ever knew ate 1/2-1 serving and more seemed (and still seems) unnecessary.
I think that's the point really. Everyone should find an approach that works for them and not worry about what other people are doing. 160 calories of ice cream is sad to me, and I'd rather eat the whole pint. I just find a way to eat the whole pint, even if that means I only eat 4 pints a year - to me that's moderation (moderating frequency).
I find it fascinating that even amongst people who generally agree, there's still an undercurrent of 'you're not doing it right' (General observation - not directed at you).
That begs the question, why do people feel compelled to share any time they see someone who does the opposite of what works for them? Someone talks about looking forward to their cheat meal, the post telling them they should stop putting toxins in their body or that calling it a "cheat" is setting up for failure is not helping them in any way. Someone talks about how they constantly overeat pasta and have to give them up for a while, the post telling them "I eat it all the time" or if they don't eat it they're guaranteed to binge is not helping them in any way.
The answer to this is easy and pretty interesting. It's the reason the "share" and "like" buttons are popular. It's the same reason why fad diets (or any product, really) take off through word of mouth and anecdotes. Why some people more than others tend to be drawn into a cult mentality. The answer is: because we're human, we're social, and we're self-centered. The combination of all 3 encourages sharing. I don't want to make this long, it's just one of the topics that fascinate me.
Example: Person A talks about looking forward to cheat meal. (sharing out of sense of belonging)
Person B says: It's toxins! (sharing to educate - feeling they have more knowledge in the matter others may not have)
Person C says: You should not call it cheating! (sharing to help prevent failure - feeling they have gone through the same path and they are doing person A a social favor)
Person D says: I'm looking forward to my cheat meal too! (sharing for conformity and, again, sense of belonging)
Person E says: I don't do cheat meals. (sharing to re-affirm self and get a better idea of who they are)
Person F says: I've always wondered about cheat meals, I read this and that. (sharing because it's a topic or a cause they are interested in or feel strongly about)
...etc
Where the conflicts arise is when any of these people speak like there is only one version of "right" and it is theirs.
Same here. It seems people fall into two categories, those who live and let live, and those who take everyone else's behavior or words personally. Seems like all of these threads boil down to people saying the same thing, and arguing because they don't agree on what the definition of "is" is.
If it bothers you, don't participate.
A lot of people enjoy a good debate on semantics. It's entertaining. If it doesn't entertain you, then just click on the red x on the top of the screen and move along. Problem solved.
Found the 2nd group.
Yup, you're right. I enjoy debates. I like being a part of them or just watching them. Which is why I hang out here.
If I didn't enjoy them, I wouldn't hang out here.
Never said that. Using your logic, everyone who asks why people choose one protein powder over another are "bothered" by those who use a different protein powder. Asking why someone logs at the start of the week is being "bothered" by their logging. See the pattern here? I'm not the one with an issue about what other people do, all I did was ask why.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
What does eating 0 skittles instead 20 skittles (rather than the 1000 you want) imply?mamapeach910 wrote: »
Yes, but you haven't given up Skittles completely, which is what saying you've given something up implies.
I see you're here to play word games.
Why not just stick to the one about how we all moderate EVERYTHING?
and I'm laughing that we're talking about skittles!
You can't eat 0 of anything. ok let's play mess with gricean pragmatics!
Hey, you left yourself open for that one
Zero consumption of skittles means just that. Zero consumption. You gave them up.
980 Skittles passed by me. I didn't eat a single one. Zero consumption of them. I gave up eating every Skittle that I said "No" to.
For not giving up anything, that's an awful lot of giving up.
but if you ate the other 20 then you did not give them up ..I believe your original example was passing up 980 and eating 20 ...now you are moving the goalposts...or just ignoring what you said about the other 20.
either way you original statement was 100% wrong.
but, we can play this game all day ...
it is rather amusing...0 -
SingRunTing wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »If a small serving of ice cream isn't "worth it," then you need to evaluate why you'd consider a "food you love."
Honestly, if you need a full pint to feel like you got your ice cream on, you might be either buying crappy ice cream or eating too fast. Or maybe you just don't like ice cream as much as you think you do. Everyone needs to examine his or her own TRUE preferences and loves. Shoving food in your face without thinking about it isn't a love, it's a bad habit. When you break down tasty treats into proper portion sizes, it doesn't take that much to fit them into even a fairly low calorie limit. (I was eating premium gelato every night when I was at 1300, and I didn't have to starve myself all day to do it.) And, if you take the time to enjoy your treats, they will satisfy you.
^^This. Seriously.
And considering that, in my experience, most ice cream is ~160 calories per serving, its really not that hard to fit it in.
160 calories worth of ice cream is just sad...
May be sad for you, but not for everyone. I was just discussing the same exact things about habits and our perception. I grew up eating just one serving, and often even half a serving (kid's popsicle size). It feels plenty much to me because that's the amount I've always eaten even when I weighed more than 300 pounds, and because everyone I ever knew ate 1/2-1 serving and more seemed (and still seems) unnecessary.
I think that's the point really. Everyone should find an approach that works for them and not worry about what other people are doing. 160 calories of ice cream is sad to me, and I'd rather eat the whole pint. I just find a way to eat the whole pint, even if that means I only eat 4 pints a year - to me that's moderation (moderating frequency).
I find it fascinating that even amongst people who generally agree, there's still an undercurrent of 'you're not doing it right' (General observation - not directed at you).
That begs the question, why do people feel compelled to share any time they see someone who does the opposite of what works for them? Someone talks about looking forward to their cheat meal, the post telling them they should stop putting toxins in their body or that calling it a "cheat" is setting up for failure is not helping them in any way. Someone talks about how they constantly overeat pasta and have to give them up for a while, the post telling them "I eat it all the time" or if they don't eat it they're guaranteed to binge is not helping them in any way.
The answer to this is easy and pretty interesting. It's the reason the "share" and "like" buttons are popular. It's the same reason why fad diets (or any product, really) take off through word of mouth and anecdotes. Why some people more than others tend to be drawn into a cult mentality. The answer is: because we're human, we're social, and we're self-centered. The combination of all 3 encourages sharing. I don't want to make this long, it's just one of the topics that fascinate me.
Example: Person A talks about looking forward to cheat meal. (sharing out of sense of belonging)
Person B says: It's toxins! (sharing to educate - feeling they have more knowledge in the matter others may not have)
Person C says: You should not call it cheating! (sharing to help prevent failure - feeling they have gone through the same path and they are doing person A a social favor)
Person D says: I'm looking forward to my cheat meal too! (sharing for conformity and, again, sense of belonging)
Person E says: I don't do cheat meals. (sharing to re-affirm self and get a better idea of who they are)
Person F says: I've always wondered about cheat meals, I read this and that. (sharing because it's a topic or a cause they are interested in or feel strongly about)
...etc
Where the conflicts arise is when any of these people speak like there is only one version of "right" and it is theirs.
Same here. It seems people fall into two categories, those who live and let live, and those who take everyone else's behavior or words personally. Seems like all of these threads boil down to people saying the same thing, and arguing because they don't agree on what the definition of "is" is.
If it bothers you, don't participate.
A lot of people enjoy a good debate on semantics. It's entertaining. If it doesn't entertain you, then just click on the red x on the top of the screen and move along. Problem solved.
Found the 2nd group.
Yup, you're right. I enjoy debates. I like being a part of them or just watching them. Which is why I hang out here.
If I didn't enjoy them, I wouldn't hang out here.
Never said that. Using your logic, everyone who asks why people choose one protein powder over another are "bothered" by those who use a different protein powder. Asking why someone logs at the start of the week is being "bothered" by their logging. See the pattern here? I'm not the one with an issue about what other people do, all I did was ask why.
The problem is that there's a different why for different threads and you've asked this question before and don't like the answers you get.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »If a small serving of ice cream isn't "worth it," then you need to evaluate why you'd consider a "food you love."
Honestly, if you need a full pint to feel like you got your ice cream on, you might be either buying crappy ice cream or eating too fast. Or maybe you just don't like ice cream as much as you think you do. Everyone needs to examine his or her own TRUE preferences and loves. Shoving food in your face without thinking about it isn't a love, it's a bad habit. When you break down tasty treats into proper portion sizes, it doesn't take that much to fit them into even a fairly low calorie limit. (I was eating premium gelato every night when I was at 1300, and I didn't have to starve myself all day to do it.) And, if you take the time to enjoy your treats, they will satisfy you.
^^This. Seriously.
And considering that, in my experience, most ice cream is ~160 calories per serving, its really not that hard to fit it in.
160 calories worth of ice cream is just sad...
May be sad for you, but not for everyone. I was just discussing the same exact things about habits and our perception. I grew up eating just one serving, and often even half a serving (kid's popsicle size). It feels plenty much to me because that's the amount I've always eaten even when I weighed more than 300 pounds, and because everyone I ever knew ate 1/2-1 serving and more seemed (and still seems) unnecessary.
I think that's the point really. Everyone should find an approach that works for them and not worry about what other people are doing. 160 calories of ice cream is sad to me, and I'd rather eat the whole pint. I just find a way to eat the whole pint, even if that means I only eat 4 pints a year - to me that's moderation (moderating frequency).
I find it fascinating that even amongst people who generally agree, there's still an undercurrent of 'you're not doing it right' (General observation - not directed at you).
That begs the question, why do people feel compelled to share any time they see someone who does the opposite of what works for them? Someone talks about looking forward to their cheat meal, the post telling them they should stop putting toxins in their body or that calling it a "cheat" is setting up for failure is not helping them in any way. Someone talks about how they constantly overeat pasta and have to give them up for a while, the post telling them "I eat it all the time" or if they don't eat it they're guaranteed to binge is not helping them in any way.
The answer to this is easy and pretty interesting. It's the reason the "share" and "like" buttons are popular. It's the same reason why fad diets (or any product, really) take off through word of mouth and anecdotes. Why some people more than others tend to be drawn into a cult mentality. The answer is: because we're human, we're social, and we're self-centered. The combination of all 3 encourages sharing. I don't want to make this long, it's just one of the topics that fascinate me.
Example: Person A talks about looking forward to cheat meal. (sharing out of sense of belonging)
Person B says: It's toxins! (sharing to educate - feeling they have more knowledge in the matter others may not have)
Person C says: You should not call it cheating! (sharing to help prevent failure - feeling they have gone through the same path and they are doing person A a social favor)
Person D says: I'm looking forward to my cheat meal too! (sharing for conformity and, again, sense of belonging)
Person E says: I don't do cheat meals. (sharing to re-affirm self and get a better idea of who they are)
Person F says: I've always wondered about cheat meals, I read this and that. (sharing because it's a topic or a cause they are interested in or feel strongly about)
...etc
Where the conflicts arise is when any of these people speak like there is only one version of "right" and it is theirs.
Same here. It seems people fall into two categories, those who live and let live, and those who take everyone else's behavior or words personally. Seems like all of these threads boil down to people saying the same thing, and arguing because they don't agree on what the definition of "is" is.
If it bothers you, don't participate.
A lot of people enjoy a good debate on semantics. It's entertaining. If it doesn't entertain you, then just click on the red x on the top of the screen and move along. Problem solved.
Found the 2nd group.
Yup, you're right. I enjoy debates. I like being a part of them or just watching them. Which is why I hang out here.
If I didn't enjoy them, I wouldn't hang out here.
Never said that. Using your logic, everyone who asks why people choose one protein powder over another are "bothered" by those who use a different protein powder. Asking why someone logs at the start of the week is being "bothered" by their logging. See the pattern here? I'm not the one with an issue about what other people do, all I did was ask why.
The problem is that there's a different why for different threads and you've asked this question before and don't like the answers you get.
Funny, I have several answers to the question right in this thread who seemed perfectly capable of discussing it without feeling threatened or "bothered" by it. Maybe you see what you want to see?0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »If a small serving of ice cream isn't "worth it," then you need to evaluate why you'd consider a "food you love."
Honestly, if you need a full pint to feel like you got your ice cream on, you might be either buying crappy ice cream or eating too fast. Or maybe you just don't like ice cream as much as you think you do. Everyone needs to examine his or her own TRUE preferences and loves. Shoving food in your face without thinking about it isn't a love, it's a bad habit. When you break down tasty treats into proper portion sizes, it doesn't take that much to fit them into even a fairly low calorie limit. (I was eating premium gelato every night when I was at 1300, and I didn't have to starve myself all day to do it.) And, if you take the time to enjoy your treats, they will satisfy you.
^^This. Seriously.
And considering that, in my experience, most ice cream is ~160 calories per serving, its really not that hard to fit it in.
160 calories worth of ice cream is just sad...
May be sad for you, but not for everyone. I was just discussing the same exact things about habits and our perception. I grew up eating just one serving, and often even half a serving (kid's popsicle size). It feels plenty much to me because that's the amount I've always eaten even when I weighed more than 300 pounds, and because everyone I ever knew ate 1/2-1 serving and more seemed (and still seems) unnecessary.
I think that's the point really. Everyone should find an approach that works for them and not worry about what other people are doing. 160 calories of ice cream is sad to me, and I'd rather eat the whole pint. I just find a way to eat the whole pint, even if that means I only eat 4 pints a year - to me that's moderation (moderating frequency).
I find it fascinating that even amongst people who generally agree, there's still an undercurrent of 'you're not doing it right' (General observation - not directed at you).
That begs the question, why do people feel compelled to share any time they see someone who does the opposite of what works for them? Someone talks about looking forward to their cheat meal, the post telling them they should stop putting toxins in their body or that calling it a "cheat" is setting up for failure is not helping them in any way. Someone talks about how they constantly overeat pasta and have to give them up for a while, the post telling them "I eat it all the time" or if they don't eat it they're guaranteed to binge is not helping them in any way.
The answer to this is easy and pretty interesting. It's the reason the "share" and "like" buttons are popular. It's the same reason why fad diets (or any product, really) take off through word of mouth and anecdotes. Why some people more than others tend to be drawn into a cult mentality. The answer is: because we're human, we're social, and we're self-centered. The combination of all 3 encourages sharing. I don't want to make this long, it's just one of the topics that fascinate me.
Example: Person A talks about looking forward to cheat meal. (sharing out of sense of belonging)
Person B says: It's toxins! (sharing to educate - feeling they have more knowledge in the matter others may not have)
Person C says: You should not call it cheating! (sharing to help prevent failure - feeling they have gone through the same path and they are doing person A a social favor)
Person D says: I'm looking forward to my cheat meal too! (sharing for conformity and, again, sense of belonging)
Person E says: I don't do cheat meals. (sharing to re-affirm self and get a better idea of who they are)
Person F says: I've always wondered about cheat meals, I read this and that. (sharing because it's a topic or a cause they are interested in or feel strongly about)
...etc
Where the conflicts arise is when any of these people speak like there is only one version of "right" and it is theirs.
Same here. It seems people fall into two categories, those who live and let live, and those who take everyone else's behavior or words personally. Seems like all of these threads boil down to people saying the same thing, and arguing because they don't agree on what the definition of "is" is.
If it bothers you, don't participate.
A lot of people enjoy a good debate on semantics. It's entertaining. If it doesn't entertain you, then just click on the red x on the top of the screen and move along. Problem solved.
Found the 2nd group.
Yup, you're right. I enjoy debates. I like being a part of them or just watching them. Which is why I hang out here.
If I didn't enjoy them, I wouldn't hang out here.
Never said that. Using your logic, everyone who asks why people choose one protein powder over another are "bothered" by those who use a different protein powder. Asking why someone logs at the start of the week is being "bothered" by their logging. See the pattern here? I'm not the one with an issue about what other people do, all I did was ask why.
The problem is that there's a different why for different threads and you've asked this question before and don't like the answers you get.
Funny, I have several answers to the question right in this thread who seemed perfectly capable of discussing it without feeling threatened or "bothered" by it. Maybe you see what you want to see?
so you bring something up, people question/comment on it, and the people who question/comment on your original statement are the ones bothered by said original statement? Yea....ok.
why even bring it up in the first place?
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I'm starting to make myself earn it, so that most days feel like "treat" days. Last night I designed my cheeseburger for today (852 calories). I just did my first 1 hour walk (around 3.5 mph), going to get the ingredients at Walmart, do another 1/2 hour walk, create my dream burger and salad (another 200), eat luxuriously while playing on my 'puter, rest, digest, another 1/2 hour walk, then done, satisfied and I can plan tomorrows dream plate. I'm starting to love this.0
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
What does eating 0 skittles instead 20 skittles (rather than the 1000 you want) imply?mamapeach910 wrote: »
Yes, but you haven't given up Skittles completely, which is what saying you've given something up implies.
I see you're here to play word games.
Why not just stick to the one about how we all moderate EVERYTHING?
and I'm laughing that we're talking about skittles!
You can't eat 0 of anything. ok let's play mess with gricean pragmatics!
Hey, you left yourself open for that one
Zero consumption of skittles means just that. Zero consumption. You gave them up.
980 Skittles passed by me. I didn't eat a single one. Zero consumption of them. I gave up eating every Skittle that I said "No" to.
For not giving up anything, that's an awful lot of giving up.
but if you ate the other 20 then you did not give them up...
I've given up eating the first 980 no matter what I choose do with the last 20.
For not giving anything up, that's an awful lot of giving up...
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
What does eating 0 skittles instead 20 skittles (rather than the 1000 you want) imply?mamapeach910 wrote: »
Yes, but you haven't given up Skittles completely, which is what saying you've given something up implies.
I see you're here to play word games.
Why not just stick to the one about how we all moderate EVERYTHING?
and I'm laughing that we're talking about skittles!
You can't eat 0 of anything. ok let's play mess with gricean pragmatics!
Hey, you left yourself open for that one
Zero consumption of skittles means just that. Zero consumption. You gave them up.
980 Skittles passed by me. I didn't eat a single one. Zero consumption of them. I gave up eating every Skittle that I said "No" to.
For not giving up anything, that's an awful lot of giving up.
but if you ate the other 20 then you did not give them up...
I've given up eating the first 980 no matter what I choose do with the last 20.
For not giving anything up, that's an awful lot of giving up...
well, here is your original example:
If you ate 1000 Skittles a day before and only 20 Skittles a day now, you've given up 980 Skittles.
eating 20 skittles is not giving them up.
but since you are never wrong I am sure you will have some kind of amusing retort as to how you are still right...
if you say you gave up smoking but still smoked three cigarettes a week, have you given up smoking?0 -
if you say you gave up smoking but still smoked three cigarettes a week, have you given up smoking?
You tell me, in your own words. A dude goes from a pack a day to 3 cigs a week - what has he done if not given up a lot of cigarettes?
Oh, look, you already did...If you ate 1000 Skittles a day before and only 20 Skittles a day now, you've given up 980 Skittles.
So we both agree that I've given up eating a crap-load of Skittles.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »If a small serving of ice cream isn't "worth it," then you need to evaluate why you'd consider a "food you love."
Honestly, if you need a full pint to feel like you got your ice cream on, you might be either buying crappy ice cream or eating too fast. Or maybe you just don't like ice cream as much as you think you do. Everyone needs to examine his or her own TRUE preferences and loves. Shoving food in your face without thinking about it isn't a love, it's a bad habit. When you break down tasty treats into proper portion sizes, it doesn't take that much to fit them into even a fairly low calorie limit. (I was eating premium gelato every night when I was at 1300, and I didn't have to starve myself all day to do it.) And, if you take the time to enjoy your treats, they will satisfy you.
^^This. Seriously.
And considering that, in my experience, most ice cream is ~160 calories per serving, its really not that hard to fit it in.
160 calories worth of ice cream is just sad...
May be sad for you, but not for everyone. I was just discussing the same exact things about habits and our perception. I grew up eating just one serving, and often even half a serving (kid's popsicle size). It feels plenty much to me because that's the amount I've always eaten even when I weighed more than 300 pounds, and because everyone I ever knew ate 1/2-1 serving and more seemed (and still seems) unnecessary.
I think that's the point really. Everyone should find an approach that works for them and not worry about what other people are doing. 160 calories of ice cream is sad to me, and I'd rather eat the whole pint. I just find a way to eat the whole pint, even if that means I only eat 4 pints a year - to me that's moderation (moderating frequency).
I find it fascinating that even amongst people who generally agree, there's still an undercurrent of 'you're not doing it right' (General observation - not directed at you).
That begs the question, why do people feel compelled to share any time they see someone who does the opposite of what works for them? Someone talks about looking forward to their cheat meal, the post telling them they should stop putting toxins in their body or that calling it a "cheat" is setting up for failure is not helping them in any way. Someone talks about how they constantly overeat pasta and have to give them up for a while, the post telling them "I eat it all the time" or if they don't eat it they're guaranteed to binge is not helping them in any way.
The answer to this is easy and pretty interesting. It's the reason the "share" and "like" buttons are popular. It's the same reason why fad diets (or any product, really) take off through word of mouth and anecdotes. Why some people more than others tend to be drawn into a cult mentality. The answer is: because we're human, we're social, and we're self-centered. The combination of all 3 encourages sharing. I don't want to make this long, it's just one of the topics that fascinate me.
Example: Person A talks about looking forward to cheat meal. (sharing out of sense of belonging)
Person B says: It's toxins! (sharing to educate - feeling they have more knowledge in the matter others may not have)
Person C says: You should not call it cheating! (sharing to help prevent failure - feeling they have gone through the same path and they are doing person A a social favor)
Person D says: I'm looking forward to my cheat meal too! (sharing for conformity and, again, sense of belonging)
Person E says: I don't do cheat meals. (sharing to re-affirm self and get a better idea of who they are)
Person F says: I've always wondered about cheat meals, I read this and that. (sharing because it's a topic or a cause they are interested in or feel strongly about)
...etc
Where the conflicts arise is when any of these people speak like there is only one version of "right" and it is theirs.
Same here. It seems people fall into two categories, those who live and let live, and those who take everyone else's behavior or words personally. Seems like all of these threads boil down to people saying the same thing, and arguing because they don't agree on what the definition of "is" is.
If it bothers you, don't participate.
A lot of people enjoy a good debate on semantics. It's entertaining. If it doesn't entertain you, then just click on the red x on the top of the screen and move along. Problem solved.
Found the 2nd group.
Yup, you're right. I enjoy debates. I like being a part of them or just watching them. Which is why I hang out here.
If I didn't enjoy them, I wouldn't hang out here.
Never said that. Using your logic, everyone who asks why people choose one protein powder over another are "bothered" by those who use a different protein powder. Asking why someone logs at the start of the week is being "bothered" by their logging. See the pattern here? I'm not the one with an issue about what other people do, all I did was ask why.
The problem is that there's a different why for different threads and you've asked this question before and don't like the answers you get.
Funny, I have several answers to the question right in this thread who seemed perfectly capable of discussing it without feeling threatened or "bothered" by it. Maybe you see what you want to see?
Threatened or bothered?
Hardly.
I stand by my answer that there's a different why for different threads.
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SingRunTing wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »bennettinfinity wrote: »SingRunTing wrote: »If a small serving of ice cream isn't "worth it," then you need to evaluate why you'd consider a "food you love."
Honestly, if you need a full pint to feel like you got your ice cream on, you might be either buying crappy ice cream or eating too fast. Or maybe you just don't like ice cream as much as you think you do. Everyone needs to examine his or her own TRUE preferences and loves. Shoving food in your face without thinking about it isn't a love, it's a bad habit. When you break down tasty treats into proper portion sizes, it doesn't take that much to fit them into even a fairly low calorie limit. (I was eating premium gelato every night when I was at 1300, and I didn't have to starve myself all day to do it.) And, if you take the time to enjoy your treats, they will satisfy you.
^^This. Seriously.
And considering that, in my experience, most ice cream is ~160 calories per serving, its really not that hard to fit it in.
160 calories worth of ice cream is just sad...
May be sad for you, but not for everyone. I was just discussing the same exact things about habits and our perception. I grew up eating just one serving, and often even half a serving (kid's popsicle size). It feels plenty much to me because that's the amount I've always eaten even when I weighed more than 300 pounds, and because everyone I ever knew ate 1/2-1 serving and more seemed (and still seems) unnecessary.
I think that's the point really. Everyone should find an approach that works for them and not worry about what other people are doing. 160 calories of ice cream is sad to me, and I'd rather eat the whole pint. I just find a way to eat the whole pint, even if that means I only eat 4 pints a year - to me that's moderation (moderating frequency).
I find it fascinating that even amongst people who generally agree, there's still an undercurrent of 'you're not doing it right' (General observation - not directed at you).
That begs the question, why do people feel compelled to share any time they see someone who does the opposite of what works for them? Someone talks about looking forward to their cheat meal, the post telling them they should stop putting toxins in their body or that calling it a "cheat" is setting up for failure is not helping them in any way. Someone talks about how they constantly overeat pasta and have to give them up for a while, the post telling them "I eat it all the time" or if they don't eat it they're guaranteed to binge is not helping them in any way.
The answer to this is easy and pretty interesting. It's the reason the "share" and "like" buttons are popular. It's the same reason why fad diets (or any product, really) take off through word of mouth and anecdotes. Why some people more than others tend to be drawn into a cult mentality. The answer is: because we're human, we're social, and we're self-centered. The combination of all 3 encourages sharing. I don't want to make this long, it's just one of the topics that fascinate me.
Example: Person A talks about looking forward to cheat meal. (sharing out of sense of belonging)
Person B says: It's toxins! (sharing to educate - feeling they have more knowledge in the matter others may not have)
Person C says: You should not call it cheating! (sharing to help prevent failure - feeling they have gone through the same path and they are doing person A a social favor)
Person D says: I'm looking forward to my cheat meal too! (sharing for conformity and, again, sense of belonging)
Person E says: I don't do cheat meals. (sharing to re-affirm self and get a better idea of who they are)
Person F says: I've always wondered about cheat meals, I read this and that. (sharing because it's a topic or a cause they are interested in or feel strongly about)
...etc
Where the conflicts arise is when any of these people speak like there is only one version of "right" and it is theirs.
Same here. It seems people fall into two categories, those who live and let live, and those who take everyone else's behavior or words personally. Seems like all of these threads boil down to people saying the same thing, and arguing because they don't agree on what the definition of "is" is.
If it bothers you, don't participate.
A lot of people enjoy a good debate on semantics. It's entertaining. If it doesn't entertain you, then just click on the red x on the top of the screen and move along. Problem solved.
Found the 2nd group.
Yup, you're right. I enjoy debates. I like being a part of them or just watching them. Which is why I hang out here.
If I didn't enjoy them, I wouldn't hang out here.
Never said that. Using your logic, everyone who asks why people choose one protein powder over another are "bothered" by those who use a different protein powder. Asking why someone logs at the start of the week is being "bothered" by their logging. See the pattern here? I'm not the one with an issue about what other people do, all I did was ask why.
I don't understand where this came from. It has nothing to do with what I posted. I said that if the debates that happen on here bother you, then don't hang out here so much.
I said nothing about "if you respond to other people, you must be bothered by their choices".
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