Since thick is in, should I stay at 145 on my 5'2 frame
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@ Somegirls:
I am 5 foot even and weigh 165. You don't look like you weigh 160 lbs. Wish I looked as good as you!
You look amazing! I hate my stomach. Wish I knew more exercises to work the abdominal muscles!SomeGirlSomewhere wrote: »I'm just under 5'3" and will be more than happy if I stay at my current weight of 160-ish lbs.
Since everyone else is sharing pics, here's what that looks like from both the front and the side!
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ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »FreedomMK2131 wrote: »If you are concerned about losing volume in your breasts, don't go under 140. I am 5'3" and went from 190 to 120 (over the course of a few years). I literally had skin bags which is NOT attractive. I resorted to. . . ahem. . . artificial volume to correct the problem. Having surgery is not much fun and nothing beats real ones!
On the other hand, I'm 5'4" and went from 170 to 122-123 and mine are fine. Proportionately they're bigger than they were before-- I went from a 36C to a 32D.
It's going to vary from person to person based on a lot of factors (mostly genetics).
Well you still lose a cup size.
I lost 80 pounds, I'm 5'5" and 132 pounds and I'm in 34D (or 36C). I was in 36 DD before. We're just pretty busty in my family.
For what it's worth, I shake my head at those huge artificial bums, personally. And yes I do judge the persons who do it as 'trash'.
Realistically someone probably feels the same way about something you do.
Personally I'm not bothered by such things but large butts are my aesthetic preference. I spend actual hours in the gym striving for a bigger backside even tho mine is already large. I'm sure someone thinks that makes me trashy but I probably don't much care for their aesthetic either.
My issue is people spending money to make it big enough to look like a cartoon character. Not with people with a naturally larger butt (even if they go to the gym to make it bigger - it still won't look as huge as the pictures above).
I think taking issue with how people spend their money or what others find to be asthetically pleasing is pretty silly, tbh. It is interesting tho, If I dedicate my life to a bigger butt than nature gave me it's fine (even tho even now my proportions are such that theres a 12 inch difference between waist and largest part of my butt which isn't that far off from those paid for ones. Amber Rose for example is 27-41, vs my 27-39) but if I buy a butt bigger than nature gave me it's trashy based off the totally subjective opinion of what's achievable. (That 2 inches makes all the difference I guess)
I mean you're entitled to think something is trash. Undoubtedly there is someone who holds the same opinion about something you do.
personally, i don't care what ordinary civilians do, i don't think the bodies discussed look "trashy", and i have no issue with surgery per se.
i do think though that what famous people do to their bodies matters more, inasmuch as they might set up unrealistic expectations. like OP is trying to work out her dietary and personal body and fitness goals according to an aesthetic that was achieved with money, so that's just going to set her up for frustration if she's not going to be doing surgery (most likely - some women do have naturally big bums, obviously, or the genetic potential to build them up without surgery).
If people want to look at women who are known to have had surgery and still hold that as their aesthetic goal then nothing anyone says here is going to help them. And, honestly, delusions about bodies come not just from famous people: people think that they can shrink wrap, tea drink, andnciffee enema their way to thinness so at least trying to emulate Amber Rose or Kim K will get you in a gym.
true about diet fads. is the AR/KK look getting people to the gym? i'm thinking maybe the waist training fad is related to it...
agree about any individual's personal issues, but on the other hand, there have been studies that have shown that women tested worse on self-esteem measures after being exposed to images in women's beauty magazines. media matters a lot in terms of setting up cultural norms.
It gets me in the gym so why not other women; I live me some big booty inspo. Waist training/the desire for a smaller waist has been around far longer that KK or AR so I wouldn't be too quick to give them credit for that.
And none of those women control the media nor should they be expected to alter their lives because some women let their self worth drop or want to aspire to that which they cannot achieve. That ish is called self esteem not "Pretty people make me sad esteem". I am never going to look like Kate Upton but I'm not letting that impact myself worth.
i feel that *all* people participating in media - creating representations or living them - do have some kind of responsibility, because they have a huge impact on how people feel about themselves. like study after study shows this is the case. i'm talking about anyone who does stuff that reaches a wider public - writers, filmmakers, artists, whoever. it's true that actors and people who are famous for being famous are lower down the chain of responsibility, because they're caught up in the game. they're damned if they do and damned if they don't, in lots of ways. their (necessary) goal is to stay in it by any means necessary. (again i don't have a problem with those means per se.) so this is working for them, ok. i agree with marissafit06 that being truthful about stuff that's been done is one way to be fair about it (and you said this earlier, it's known that KK and AR have done surgery).
i will say that despite all that, it's good that different body types are seeing the light of day and being validated. i personally have a big toosh and life was way harder when a) people like christy turlington and kate moss set the standard and b) jeans had NO stretch.0 -
Oh my I love this thread.....I am trying to study for an exam and I cannot stop reading!!
OP whatever weight is comfortable to you is what matters! I am 5'3 162 pear shape and I guess "thick". 30 1/2 in waist, 43 in hips, and I wear a 36D bra. I am told all the time I look fine and don't lose weight. Everyone tells me that. In my eyes, I'm fat. My waist needs to be smaller. I'll keep the rest as is if I could, but unfortunately I cannot spot reduce.
It's about you and your choice.0 -
marissafit06 wrote: »Although the only extent to which I think what celebrities do to their bodies matters is the impact they have on younger women when they lie about getting work done.
This is true. Every time KimK says her butt is real I weep a little inside. It isn't the size that's the issue, its that her thighs don't match. You don't get a booty like that without thighs to match, that just isn't how the human body is built.
I say just come clean. If every soccer mom in California can admit to a boob job these ladies can admit to butt enhancement.
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[/quote]i feel that *all* people participating in media - creating representations or living them - do have some kind of responsibility, because they have a huge impact on how people feel about themselves. like study after study shows this is the case. i'm talking about anyone who does stuff that reaches a wider public - writers, filmmakers, artists, whoever. it's true that actors and people who are famous for being famous are lower down the chain of responsibility, because they're caught up in the game. they're damned if they do and damned if they don't, in lots of ways. their (necessary) goal is to stay in it by any means necessary. (again i don't have a problem with those means per se.) so this is working for them, ok. i agree with marissafit06 that being truthful about stuff that's been done is one way to be fair about it (and you said this earlier, it's known that KK and AR have done surgery).
i will say that despite all that, it's good that different body types are seeing the light of day and being validated. i personally have a big toosh and life was way harder when a) people like christy turlington and kate moss set the standard and b) jeans had NO stretch. [/quote]
Truth.
When you keep seeing super skinny girls always getting praised, idc what anyone says esp for younger girls you believe that's the only way to be attractive- not true.
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jennifer_417 wrote: »If you are healthy and satisfied with how you look, then go for it.
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This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!0 -
veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
Thanks for your constructive criticism what helpful advice.
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anytime OP. ANYtime.0
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veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
I know for a fact a far number of the ladies in this thread are married/in long term relationships.
Not that your attempt at insults amount to much really, there are mass murders and criminals who manage to have people who will stick by them but some women with varying opinions on body image are the ones who'll be running into trouble? I mean....okay. Sure.0 -
veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
I know for a fact a far number of the ladies in this thread are married/in long term relationships.
Not that your attempt at insults amount to much really, there are mass murders and criminals who manage to have people who will stick by them but some women with varying opinions on body image are the ones who'll be running into trouble? I mean....okay. Sure.
you'll never know who i really meant though now will you?0 -
azulvioleta6 wrote: »There is something really unusual about her proportions. Is she...a little person?
A have short legs myself, but dang...
She's 5'6. I'd say it's the camera angle.Realistically someone probably feels the same way about something you do.
Personally I'm not bothered by such things but large butts are my aesthetic preference. I spend actual hours in the gym striving for a bigger backside even tho mine is already large. I'm sure someone thinks that makes me trashy but I probably don't much care for their aesthetic either.
So...
I'm all for it!
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veganbettie wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
I know for a fact a far number of the ladies in this thread are married/in long term relationships.
Not that your attempt at insults amount to much really, there are mass murders and criminals who manage to have people who will stick by them but some women with varying opinions on body image are the ones who'll be running into trouble? I mean....okay. Sure.
you'll never know who i really meant though now will you?
Wow, thanks for taking the heat off me veganbettie
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christinev297 wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
I know for a fact a far number of the ladies in this thread are married/in long term relationships.
Not that your attempt at insults amount to much really, there are mass murders and criminals who manage to have people who will stick by them but some women with varying opinions on body image are the ones who'll be running into trouble? I mean....okay. Sure.
you'll never know who i really meant though now will you?
Wow, thanks for taking the heat off me veganbettie
and your...what did she say...."orange" skin? because clearly people can't have different skin tones.... 0 -
veganbettie wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
I know for a fact a far number of the ladies in this thread are married/in long term relationships.
Not that your attempt at insults amount to much really, there are mass murders and criminals who manage to have people who will stick by them but some women with varying opinions on body image are the ones who'll be running into trouble? I mean....okay. Sure.
you'll never know who i really meant though now will you?
Alas no. I'll have to content myself with the irony of your post actually being one of the 'cattier' posts in this thread.0 -
azulvioleta6 wrote: »There is something really unusual about her proportions. Is she...a little person?
A have short legs myself, but dang...
She's 5'6. I'd say it's the camera angle.Realistically someone probably feels the same way about something you do.
Personally I'm not bothered by such things but large butts are my aesthetic preference. I spend actual hours in the gym striving for a bigger backside even tho mine is already large. I'm sure someone thinks that makes me trashy but I probably don't much care for their aesthetic either.
So...
I'm all for it!
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I am totally playing "Baby Got Back" on repeat now.0
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veganbettie wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
I know for a fact a far number of the ladies in this thread are married/in long term relationships.
Not that your attempt at insults amount to much really, there are mass murders and criminals who manage to have people who will stick by them but some women with varying opinions on body image are the ones who'll be running into trouble? I mean....okay. Sure.
you'll never know who i really meant though now will you?
Wow, thanks for taking the heat off me veganbettie and your...what did she say...."orange" skin? because clearly people can't have different skin tones....
And, to be honest, I don't know a single woman who wouldn't love to look like Amber Rose PRE-SURGERY. In fact, every woman I know that looks more like that post-surgery pic would kill for her natural fit shape. The implants make her look grotesque. It's one thing to be naturally bodacious. Quite another to get surgically altered to look like a physiological impossibility.
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Also note that the ladies in Sir Mix A Lot's video have normal fine hindquarters, not silly puffed up nonsense like Amber and Kim have now.
But, then, the good Sir did point out that Silicone Parts are made for Toys....so he was a refined gentleman in his tastes.
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veganbettie wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
I know for a fact a far number of the ladies in this thread are married/in long term relationships.
Not that your attempt at insults amount to much really, there are mass murders and criminals who manage to have people who will stick by them but some women with varying opinions on body image are the ones who'll be running into trouble? I mean....okay. Sure.
you'll never know who i really meant though now will you?
Alas no. I'll have to content myself with the irony of your post actually being one of the 'cattier' posts in this thread.
meeeh, I call them how I see them. Content yourself away.
After reading through the whole thread and seeing post after post of snark and rudeness, I figured I had to contribute somehow.
For a site built largely off of fulfilling our vanity (mine included) this thread really took the cake for me.
But I do like cake.0 -
veganbettie wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
I know for a fact a far number of the ladies in this thread are married/in long term relationships.
Not that your attempt at insults amount to much really, there are mass murders and criminals who manage to have people who will stick by them but some women with varying opinions on body image are the ones who'll be running into trouble? I mean....okay. Sure.
you'll never know who i really meant though now will you?
Wow, thanks for taking the heat off me veganbettie and your...what did she say...."orange" skin? because clearly people can't have different skin tones....
Oh my goodness, how crass
:laugh: :bigsmile:
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Also note that the ladies in Sir Mix A Lot's video have normal fine hindquarters, not silly puffed up nonsense like Amber and Kim have now.
But, then, the good Sir did point out that Silicone Parts are made for Toys....so he was a refined gentleman in his tastes.
Thankfully most butt enhancement is fat transfer so the good Sir probably wouldn't mind so much.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »angellll12 wrote: »I rather have some fat then be skinny with small breast, it's not womanly since we're being honest. I don't mind a little stomach, I'll probably go down to 130 and stop there and just workout to maintain and be healthy, I can look hot still without looking like I try so hard at the gym.
Um what? Having small breasts is not womanly?
Inb4 people try and say that "the opinion that small breasts is unfeminine" is the same as saying someone "matter-of-factly has too much body fat".Also note that the ladies in Sir Mix A Lot's video have normal fine hindquarters, not silly puffed up nonsense like Amber and Kim have now.
But, then, the good Sir did point out that Silicone Parts are made for Toys....so he was a refined gentleman in his tastes.
Totally off-topic, but I love that song with a high level of inappropriate for a 35yo woman.
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veganbettie wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
I know for a fact a far number of the ladies in this thread are married/in long term relationships.
Not that your attempt at insults amount to much really, there are mass murders and criminals who manage to have people who will stick by them but some women with varying opinions on body image are the ones who'll be running into trouble? I mean....okay. Sure.
you'll never know who i really meant though now will you?
Wow, thanks for taking the heat off me veganbettie and your...what did she say...."orange" skin? because clearly people can't have different skin tones....
And, to be honest, I don't know a single woman who wouldn't love to look like Amber Rose PRE-SURGERY. In fact, every woman I know that looks more like that post-surgery pic would kill for her natural fit shape. The implants make her look grotesque. It's one thing to be naturally bodacious. Quite another to get surgically altered to look like a physiological impossibility.
her body is still super mesmerizing. Even if she does look fake, and i'm a bad judge, i can never tell...she still looks pretty nifty. At least I think so. But so does Kim K. And even Khloe now. But apparently she hits the gym pretty hard now....
orrrr so other people have told me because I just seriously do not follow that celebrity dribble.0 -
you'll never know who i really meant though now will you?[/quote]angellll12 wrote: »
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I will go in my corner and cry now. forever. i'm crying. i'm dead.
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veganbettie wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
I know for a fact a far number of the ladies in this thread are married/in long term relationships.
Not that your attempt at insults amount to much really, there are mass murders and criminals who manage to have people who will stick by them but some women with varying opinions on body image are the ones who'll be running into trouble? I mean....okay. Sure.
you'll never know who i really meant though now will you?
Wow, thanks for taking the heat off me veganbettie and your...what did she say...."orange" skin? because clearly people can't have different skin tones....
And, to be honest, I don't know a single woman who wouldn't love to look like Amber Rose PRE-SURGERY. In fact, every woman I know that looks more like that post-surgery pic would kill for her natural fit shape. The implants make her look grotesque. It's one thing to be naturally bodacious. Quite another to get surgically altered to look like a physiological impossibility.Also note that the ladies in Sir Mix A Lot's video have normal fine hindquarters, not silly puffed up nonsense like Amber and Kim have now.
But, then, the good Sir did point out that Silicone Parts are made for Toys....so he was a refined gentleman in his tastes.
Glad to see that some of you do have common sense lol. I find it almost an insult to women in general that some women go for that completely sexualized look. It's not attractive. It's an open invitation for pervs and makes them look like sexual objects. But I guess it does reflect on their IQ... in a way I pity them if they felt they had to go to such extents to get attention, when they were so beautiful before.
Ok yeah I apparently have strong feelings about that.0 -
azulvioleta6 wrote: »There is something really unusual about her proportions. Is she...a little person?
A have short legs myself, but dang...
I think there's some photoshop madness going on with that picture. Look at her left calf on the image on the left. It's considerably smaller than her right calf, even taking the angle into consideration. Also, the angle at which her ankle comes out of her left shoe seems kind of weird. Her shoes seem really small overall but maybe she has tiny feet.0 -
veganbettie wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
I know for a fact a far number of the ladies in this thread are married/in long term relationships.
Not that your attempt at insults amount to much really, there are mass murders and criminals who manage to have people who will stick by them but some women with varying opinions on body image are the ones who'll be running into trouble? I mean....okay. Sure.
you'll never know who i really meant though now will you?
Wow, thanks for taking the heat off me veganbettie and your...what did she say...."orange" skin? because clearly people can't have different skin tones....
And, to be honest, I don't know a single woman who wouldn't love to look like Amber Rose PRE-SURGERY. In fact, every woman I know that looks more like that post-surgery pic would kill for her natural fit shape. The implants make her look grotesque. It's one thing to be naturally bodacious. Quite another to get surgically altered to look like a physiological impossibility.Also note that the ladies in Sir Mix A Lot's video have normal fine hindquarters, not silly puffed up nonsense like Amber and Kim have now.
But, then, the good Sir did point out that Silicone Parts are made for Toys....so he was a refined gentleman in his tastes.
Glad to see that some of you do have common sense lol. I find it almost an insult to women in general that some women go for that completely sexualized look. It's not attractive. It's an open invitation for pervs and makes them look like sexual objects. But I guess it does reflect on their IQ... in a way I pity them if they felt they had to go to such extents to get attention, when they were so beautiful before.
Ok yeah I apparently have strong feelings about that.
You don't think that women should be able to do whatever they want to do with their own body?
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veganbettie wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »veganbettie wrote: »This thread was incredibly amusing....
All I have to say is it really isn't going to matter what you look like if your attitude and personality are less than desirable. Sure. It will get you a date. And maybe a relationship for a while. But eventually acting and being the way that some of the people here are being...not naming names but.... it won't last long. But at least you'll look good for you I guess? I suppose really that's all that matters...But it didn't seem like that was your sole intent for asking the question sooooo....
Good luck spot reducing!
I know for a fact a far number of the ladies in this thread are married/in long term relationships.
Not that your attempt at insults amount to much really, there are mass murders and criminals who manage to have people who will stick by them but some women with varying opinions on body image are the ones who'll be running into trouble? I mean....okay. Sure.
you'll never know who i really meant though now will you?
Wow, thanks for taking the heat off me veganbettie and your...what did she say...."orange" skin? because clearly people can't have different skin tones....
And, to be honest, I don't know a single woman who wouldn't love to look like Amber Rose PRE-SURGERY. In fact, every woman I know that looks more like that post-surgery pic would kill for her natural fit shape. The implants make her look grotesque. It's one thing to be naturally bodacious. Quite another to get surgically altered to look like a physiological impossibility.Also note that the ladies in Sir Mix A Lot's video have normal fine hindquarters, not silly puffed up nonsense like Amber and Kim have now.
But, then, the good Sir did point out that Silicone Parts are made for Toys....so he was a refined gentleman in his tastes.
Glad to see that some of you do have common sense lol. I find it almost an insult to women in general that some women go for that completely sexualized look. It's not attractive. It's an open invitation for pervs and makes them look like sexual objects. But I guess it does reflect on their IQ... in a way I pity them if they felt they had to go to such extents to get attention, when they were so beautiful before.
Ok yeah I apparently have strong feelings about that.
Brilliantly said!!! I agree 100% .
On another note... Pervy men just drive me nuts!! I've flat out told more than one that its rude to stare. Women aren't animals in the zoo put on earth for men to gawk at. Some men think it is their right to obviously ogle women and think we are here solely and purely for their pleasure. Grrrrr this is a big sore point with me.....
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