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Sheila00000 wrote: »amyrebeccah wrote: »Also, as to whether a pound a day weight loss is feasible to you, that will also depend on metabolism. Are you a 6'7" man?
No I'm a female, 5"2. But what ana said, that he was eating a higher nutrient food diet, wouldn't that eliminate any causes of him weakening his muscle mass even those he lost a pound a day? He exercised too, so his muscles were being used causing them to not get any weaker.
No--you can minimize your loss of muscle by eating more protein and doing strength training (not just cardio), but even so as your percentage of body fat decreases your likelihood of losing more muscle mass along with the fat increases (you are always going to lose some muscle mass). How you deal with this is decrease the deficit as you get closer to goal.
I had a DEXA and learned that in losing about 1.5 lbs/week even after I was close to and in the healthy weight category (based on BMI), I'd lost lots of fat, but also more muscle mass than I was comfortable with--even though I'd been strength training and gaining strength and eating lots of protein. So I lowered my deficit. Right now I'm much more comfortable aiming at .5/week for the last few lbs.
I was willing to do a 1000 cal deficit and lose 2-2.5 lbs/week when I was obese, since I had so much more fat to lose that the risk was less and besides for my health getting some of that off faster was more significant. Now, losing weight if a good bit is muscle mass is not of interest to me (since at this point I'm losing it for vanity and fitness and that wouldn't further either goal).
Penn Jillette had a great deal of extra fat to lose and is a big guy--as a small woman with less fat to lose, it doesn't make sense to compare yourself to him. Sometimes extreme deficits work well for those who have serious health issues and are seriously obese, and that's fine, but they should be doctor-monitored.0 -
I love the part where he doesn't restrict calories but eats no grains, wheat, etc.0
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I certainly wouldn't recommend eating 1k a day at his size. But then I wouldn't recommend being 300 whatever pounds and being on numerous meds for blood pressure.
Strict doctor's supervision, I hope.0 -
I love the part where he doesn't restrict calories but eats no grains, wheat, etc.
I like the
So, basically, an unbalanced diet is very healthy. Right."Now he isn't on a calorie-restrictive diet, but consumes no animal products, no processed grains, and no added sugar or salt. "I eat unbelievable amounts of food but just very, very, very healthy food."
It may be a hoax (time frame-wise), anyway nothing media should have exposed (but that's what media usually does, sensational "news" sell), it makes losing weight look both too hard and too damn easy, promotes unhealthy loss rates, degrades patience and makes others feel "undisciplined" or that their diet/exercise is "inadeqaute". Very, very dangerous, in my opinion.0 -
I don't think you need animal products or any of those other things he's avoiding to have a balanced diet. There are many plant protein sources. Sugar, salt and processed grains aren't necessary for anything.kommodevaran wrote: »I love the part where he doesn't restrict calories but eats no grains, wheat, etc.
I like the
So, basically, an unbalanced diet is very healthy. Right."Now he isn't on a calorie-restrictive diet, but consumes no animal products, no processed grains, and no added sugar or salt. "I eat unbelievable amounts of food but just very, very, very healthy food."
It may be a hoax (time frame-wise), anyway nothing media should have exposed (but that's what media usually does, sensational "news" sell), it makes losing weight look both too hard and too damn easy, promotes unhealthy loss rates, degrades patience and makes others feel "undisciplined" or that their diet/exercise is "inadeqaute". Very, very dangerous, in my opinion.
Not that I think he won't experience rebound gain. Most do. It's just how we are.
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1,000 calories a day is the kind of diet plan they put patients on for bariatric surgery. I would say if your not super morbidly obese or morbidly obese 1lb a day is not a good goal for you, its too much. They just usually do that because the health risks of being morbidly obese far outweigh the risk of losing weight so fast. Plus, loose skin after such quick weight loss? No thank you, no skin retightening surgery for me! I'd rather loose low and slow and let my body keep up with me and look fantastic when I'm done instead of "winning the race".0
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Yeah my BS meter just spiked. So he's trying to tell everyone that his maintenance was 4500 calories?...BS An athlete may have a maintenance level at 4500 calories but not an average person, celebrity or not. There's no way it was that high to create a deficit of 3500 calories per day.0
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I think it is quite interesting to note that he credits the restricive diet - and not the weight loss - for his improved health. And that he decided to continue the E/VLCD diet even after the initial, life threatening pounds were lost. The exerpt I read doesn't even tell if the process was medically supervised, just that he was told by his doctor to lose weight.
http://greatideas.people.com/2015/04/08/penn-jillette-weight-loss-las-vegas-home/0 -
Hope he's taking vitamins daily.0
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Ophra did something like this too. Then, she got fat again.
Exactly. When you lose that fast, the weight is unlikely to stay off. This is not the first time that Penn Jilette has lost a massive amount of weight, and sadly, it probably won't be the last time he needs to do so. That kind of yo-yo is really hard on your body.0 -
If it isn't something you can stick to forever then there is no point in doing it.0
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Why?kristenlarkin wrote: »If it isn't something you can stick to forever then there is no point in doing it.
Why must one plan to do something forever?
If CICO is really how it all works, wouldn't it apply?
By the same token, couldn't someone eat low carb (and create a deficit), get to their maintenance weight range, then eat moderate carb (not at a deficit) and maintain? No? Why not?
I'm not advocating what Penn did. Just questioning the "do it forever" statement.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Why?kristenlarkin wrote: »If it isn't something you can stick to forever then there is no point in doing it.
Why must one plan to do something forever?
If CICO is really how it all works, wouldn't it apply?
By the same token, couldn't someone eat low carb (and create a deficit), get to their maintenance weight range, then eat moderate carb (not at a deficit) and maintain? No? Why not?
I'm not advocating what Penn did. Just questioning the "do it forever" statement.
It's mostly directed at people who think "they're done" with the diet and go straight back to however they were eating beforehand, which is just gonna make them regain everything. I guess it should be more accurately called "If you don't have a plan on how you're gonna stay at your goal weight, there is no point in losing it." since the way you lose it and the way you maintain it doesn't necessarily have to be the same.0 -
Won't disagree there. I don't know if that's what kristinlarkin meant, however.stevencloser wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Why?kristenlarkin wrote: »If it isn't something you can stick to forever then there is no point in doing it.
Why must one plan to do something forever?
If CICO is really how it all works, wouldn't it apply?
By the same token, couldn't someone eat low carb (and create a deficit), get to their maintenance weight range, then eat moderate carb (not at a deficit) and maintain? No? Why not?
I'm not advocating what Penn did. Just questioning the "do it forever" statement.
It's mostly directed at people who think "they're done" with the diet and go straight back to however they were eating beforehand, which is just gonna make them regain everything. I guess it should be more accurately called "If you don't have a plan on how you're gonna stay at your goal weight, there is no point in losing it." since the way you lose it and the way you maintain it doesn't necessarily have to be the same.0 -
Good for Penn, he's a really bright guy who obviously has a tremendous will power and can achieve great things when he puts his mind to it. It's rather inspiring.0
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I love the part where he doesn't restrict calories but eats no grains, wheat, etc.
I assume you're being sarcastic but I don't understand why.
Animal products and grains (wheat, rice) are very calorie-dense. Many people report increased satiety when they eat more voluminous meals. You could eat pounds of broccoli for the same number of calories as a few slices of brioche bread.
The guy didn't count calories directly, but he cut calories by avoiding calorie-dense foods. That seems entirely reasonable to me.0 -
Sorry, TL;DR
No idea who that Penn guy is, but losing 1 lb a day means losing tons of muscle mass. That's why people end up skinny fat with lots of saggy skin.
No good. No good.0 -
I love the part where he doesn't restrict calories but eats no grains, wheat, etc.
I assume you're being sarcastic but I don't understand why.
Animal products and grains (wheat, rice) are very calorie-dense. Many people report increased satiety when they eat more voluminous meals. You could eat pounds of broccoli for the same number of calories as a few slices of brioche bread.
The guy didn't count calories directly, but he cut calories by avoiding calorie-dense foods. That seems entirely reasonable to me.
Exactly. So how hasn't he restricted calories but cut out entire food groups that have uh... calories?
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Why?kristenlarkin wrote: »If it isn't something you can stick to forever then there is no point in doing it.
Why must one plan to do something forever?
If CICO is really how it all works, wouldn't it apply?
By the same token, couldn't someone eat low carb (and create a deficit), get to their maintenance weight range, then eat moderate carb (not at a deficit) and maintain? No? Why not?
I'm not advocating what Penn did. Just questioning the "do it forever" statement.
If you can do low cal forever that is fine. You have to choose what you can do forever. It doesn't have to be low carb, I just chose low carb0 -
If you are eating healthy food I don't see anything wrong with 1000 to 1200 calories a day. Everyone loses weight differently. What works for one will not work for another therefore, do what works for you!0
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Just a guess here but was this super healthy food expensive, time consuming to prepare and possibly to difficult for a regular joe working a 40 hour a week job to follow?
1200 to my knowledge is a guideline and below this point normal people will find it hard to meet all their nutritional needs like vitamins etc.
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kristenlarkin wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Why?kristenlarkin wrote: »If it isn't something you can stick to forever then there is no point in doing it.
Why must one plan to do something forever?
If CICO is really how it all works, wouldn't it apply?
By the same token, couldn't someone eat low carb (and create a deficit), get to their maintenance weight range, then eat moderate carb (not at a deficit) and maintain? No? Why not?
I'm not advocating what Penn did. Just questioning the "do it forever" statement.
If you can do low cal forever that is fine. You have to choose what you can do forever. It doesn't have to be low carb, I just chose low carb
Sorry thought I was on another thread. If you can stick to close to 1000 calories a day for life you'll maintain. He isn't going to be able to go up to 2000 calories and a day and add back a lot of wheat and grains and not gain weight back is what I was saying. He will be able to up it a little. If this is a way to eat for life he will be fine as all diets. I don't know if he can eat that way for life though. I couldn't, but some people are different0 -
I love the part where he doesn't restrict calories but eats no grains, wheat, etc.
I assume you're being sarcastic but I don't understand why.
Animal products and grains (wheat, rice) are very calorie-dense. Many people report increased satiety when they eat more voluminous meals. You could eat pounds of broccoli for the same number of calories as a few slices of brioche bread.
The guy didn't count calories directly, but he cut calories by avoiding calorie-dense foods. That seems entirely reasonable to me.
Exactly. So how hasn't he restricted calories but cut out entire food groups that have uh... calories?
Because not eating foods that have calories, and not counting calories are not the same thing.0 -
Can you do it yes...is it bad it definitely can be and depends on the person and their goals...if your caloric intake drops too low it will result in muscle loss also...For a cutting cycle like im on now I try to stay around 2000 for my intake...all based on my size and goals. Which puts me at about 1.5 to 1 lb lost a week0
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How much muscle did they lose at that rate of loss?0
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »How much muscle did they lose at that rate of loss?
Not sure what it would come out too..big thing to take away is that you are starving your body when its that low. Can be done but doesn't mean that you are healthy.0 -
I love the part where he doesn't restrict calories but eats no grains, wheat, etc.
I assume you're being sarcastic but I don't understand why.
Animal products and grains (wheat, rice) are very calorie-dense. Many people report increased satiety when they eat more voluminous meals. You could eat pounds of broccoli for the same number of calories as a few slices of brioche bread.
The guy didn't count calories directly, but he cut calories by avoiding calorie-dense foods. That seems entirely reasonable to me.
Exactly. So how hasn't he restricted calories but cut out entire food groups that have uh... calories?
Because not eating foods that have calories, and not counting calories are not the same thing.
To restrict is to put an upper limit on something. Counting is 1,2,3 etc. He simply had a method for restricting his calories = a meal plan of some sort. Correct, he didn't count calories. But that wasn't my comment or his (per what I recall from the OP)
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Wait so .9 or 1 pound a day? Isn't that like 3500 cal deficit a day? So he eats 1000. Burns say 2k just sitting around. Needs to burn another 2500?
Would this not require several hours a day exercising?
Is this diet aimed at normal people to follow or aimed at people who don't work much like people with trust funds or retired people?
Or is he just showing it can be done.0 -
Wait so .9 or 1 pound a day? Isn't that like 3500 cal deficit a day? So he eats 1000. Burns say 2k just sitting around. Needs to burn another 2500?
Would this not require several hours a day exercising?
Is this diet aimed at normal people to follow or aimed at people who don't work much like people with trust funds or retired people?
Or is he just showing it can be done.
That was my point earlier. There is no way that someone his age, at his weight can maintain a 3500 calorie deficit per day for 3-4 months without being hospitalized.0
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