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Bread??
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I've lost and kept off a lot of weight for years and never once did I give up bread
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Hey Jelly, I am doing a scientific study for you today. I have my morning weight (and past daily weights since Jan 1). I have noteaten today, so I have my breakfast calories to add to my lunch calories. I have 59 days straight of weighing less then I did on the 7th prior day.
For lunch I am having a fried catfish filet po-boy, on a white bread roll, with mayo and tartar sauce, fries and cole slaw. Might start out with some fried oysters. I love ketsup on top of crackers, so I will count how many of those I have. Might end it with some key lime pie.
I will log all the food items and calories and we will see if you are right, or if this meal maybe slows down my weight loss.
As always, my diary is open for anyone to look at. Yum Yum!!!
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I love Marks and Spencers spelt honey and sunflower bread we can get over here in uk and spelt is better for you 0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Hey Jelly, I am doing a scientific study for you today. I have my morning weight (and past daily weights since Jan 1). I have noteaten today, so I have my breakfast calories to add to my lunch calories. I have 59 days straight of weighing less then I did on the 7th prior day.
For lunch I am having a fried catfish filet po-boy, on a white bread roll, with mayo and tartar sauce, fries and cole slaw. Might start out with some fried oysters. I love ketsup on top of crackers, so I will count how many of those I have. Might end it with some key lime pie.
I will log all the food items and calories and we will see if you are right, or if this meal maybe slows down my weight loss.
As always, my diary is open for anyone to look at. Yum Yum!!!
A "study" of one subject doesn't establish anything.
Your assumption that weight loss is based only on what was eaten the subsequent day is faulty.
And even if you do gain weight tomorrow, how will you know that it wasn't the fried food? Or the potatoes? Or the pie? Or the sodium?
If you don't lose weight by tomorrow's weigh in, you will have demonstrated nothing.
The only thing this "study" demonstrates is that you have a poor understanding of the subject.
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I love bread and wheat flour products and am happier when I eat them. However I find that breads and other wheat products are generally high in calories, but they only fill me up for a while - I can eat a whole lot calorie-wise and be hungry a couple hours later, whereas rice and beans and meat are way more satiating for me.
Given the above I am trying to cut down on (not cut out) the wheat products I eat because eating them can end up being counterproductive to my goals. I'm also trying to add more whole grains to my diet in place of the tons of refined grains I love to eat. It's slow going but I'm getting there.
To answer your question, cutting out bread isn't necessary and bread isn't an "empty-calorie" food. Carbs are an important macronutrient, as are fats and proteins and some micronutrients I don't really care about (all of which are in bread to some varying degree). BUT like everything else you eat, you have to watch it because if you eat as much as you want while you're counting calories, you're going to end up having to cut back on important nutrient groups (protein and fats) just so you don't go way over your calorie limit.0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Hey Jelly, I am doing a scientific study for you today. I have my morning weight (and past daily weights since Jan 1). I have noteaten today, so I have my breakfast calories to add to my lunch calories. I have 59 days straight of weighing less then I did on the 7th prior day.
For lunch I am having a fried catfish filet po-boy, on a white bread roll, with mayo and tartar sauce, fries and cole slaw. Might start out with some fried oysters. I love ketsup on top of crackers, so I will count how many of those I have. Might end it with some key lime pie.
I will log all the food items and calories and we will see if you are right, or if this meal maybe slows down my weight loss.
As always, my diary is open for anyone to look at. Yum Yum!!!
Daily water fluctuation does not equal reduced metabolism.
Bread might cause more short term water retention if you are also increasing your carbs. Quite as likely (or more if you are blaming bread and not other carbs), you may be more likely to eat bread with other foods that have more sodium and cause water retention--either because it's in a restaurant commonly or because you happen to like high sodium lunch meats or fried things or the like on your bread.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »donjtomasco wrote: »Hey Jelly, I am doing a scientific study for you today. I have my morning weight (and past daily weights since Jan 1). I have noteaten today, so I have my breakfast calories to add to my lunch calories. I have 59 days straight of weighing less then I did on the 7th prior day.
For lunch I am having a fried catfish filet po-boy, on a white bread roll, with mayo and tartar sauce, fries and cole slaw. Might start out with some fried oysters. I love ketsup on top of crackers, so I will count how many of those I have. Might end it with some key lime pie.
I will log all the food items and calories and we will see if you are right, or if this meal maybe slows down my weight loss.
As always, my diary is open for anyone to look at. Yum Yum!!!
Quite as likely (or more if you are blaming bread and not other carbs), you may be more likely to eat bread with other foods that have more sodium and cause water retention
Like, for example, if you paired bread with fried fish, mayo, tartar sauce, fries, and coleslaw?0 -
psulemon
No, I did not know protein spiked insulin, but I did know about insulin contributing to the fullness feeling, along with leptin. I'll read that article today. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE good bread. The tastes and the amazing ability to hold delicious foods in the form of a sandwich or hamburger. I just choose to spend my calories on things I feel are more valuable. It's not 100% or die though. If I am forced to have bread because of location or situation, I'll eat and be happy. It's happened a couple times like at my daughter's hockey games. I don't think bread is poison!
And thanks for the graphic. Charts and graphs rock!
lemurcat12
Thanks for explaining where you think I go wrong. You make sense and now I have to read more to better my understanding. I likely still won't eat bread often. Everything else aside, my wife has to remove it from her intake, and it's easier to do that if it's not around.
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Jelly, does this mean that you are retracting your mantra of "if it fits into your calories you can eat whatever makes you happy"? Or are you now saying that you can gain wait eating whatever makes you happy, even if it is within your daily calorie goals? Can you clear up your messy thinking? I will check back in after a few bites. And I will post weight updates here for you. 0
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Yes lemur, like I said, a slowdown in weight loss at the scale. You say say this many different ways. And thank you jelly for indirectly agreeing with me. Ouch, that must have been hard on you......... 0
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Full transparency, I am under my daily calorie goal by 3,183 for the prior six days (not including the 3,000 that MFP gives me for my goal of 1# loss per week), so a very fair study will be to see what my morning weight is for the next 8 days. I have so many saved up calories in my bank to spend at lunch today.0
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I don't think I could go a day without eating bread.0
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Wow was that a fun lunch. I could only eat 1/2 of my side of fried okra. But I finished my 6 breaded and fried oysters (a la carte), a fried catfish filet po-boy (no mayo), and the other side of fries. Add 4 ounces of ketsup, 4 ounces of tartar sauce, 3 glasses of diet coke (fountain), lettuce and 2 slices of tomatoes. Now I need to load this meal in piece by piece.0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Jelly, does this mean that you are retracting your mantra of "if it fits into your calories you can eat whatever makes you happy"? Or are you now saying that you can gain wait eating whatever makes you happy, even if it is within your daily calorie goals? Can you clear up your messy thinking? I will check back in after a few bites. And I will post weight updates here for you.
That was never my mantra. My "mantra" is that weight loss is determined by CICO and that if you are creating a calorie deficit, you will lose weight.
Your claim that certain foods -- even if eaten within a calorie deficit -- will slow down weight gain is unproven. And it will be unproven if you fail to lose weight after a single day of eating a high carbohydrate, high fat, high sodium meal.
My thinking isn't messy. Your reading comprehension appears to be flawed, as you are attributing things to me that I have never written. And your thinking about science appears to be flawed as well, given the design of your "study."0 -
Mmmmmm, bread
If you can fit it into your calories and have no health reasons to watch your carb/gluten intake, keep it in there0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Full transparency, I am under my daily calorie goal by 3,183 for the prior six days (not including the 3,000 that MFP gives me for my goal of 1# loss per week), so a very fair study will be to see what my morning weight is for the next 8 days. I have so many saved up calories in my bank to spend at lunch today.
This is not a fair study, for the reasons that I pointed out above.
A "study" cannot be conducted on a single person. A "study" would not fail to eliminate other factors (fat, sodium, etc). A "study" would not be based on the flawed premise that weight loss is based solely on what one has consumed in the previous 24 hours.0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Yes lemur, like I said, a slowdown in weight loss at the scale. You say say this many different ways. And thank you jelly for indirectly agreeing with me. Ouch, that must have been hard on you.........
A temporary water weight increase has absolutely no bearing on the amount of actual body weight you are losing. If a person loses one pound of body weight per week, one week of a temporary water gain doesn't negate that loss, it just won't show up on the scale until later but it's still there. And as was pointed out, your water weight gain is likely going to be from a combination of all sorts of things in that meal, especially the sodium.
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Jelly said:
"My "mantra" is that weight loss is determined by CICO and that if you are creating a calorie deficit, you will lose weight."
Yes jelly, we said the same thing with diffefent words. Your reasoning is very slippery.
Yes I created a calorie deficit, so let's see what the scale says tomorrow morning. I hope you are correct. The scale does not lie if the logging is accurate.
Whew, so glad we finally hammered that one out.
JELLY AGREES WITH ME!!!! CAN SOMEBODY BE OUR WITNESS ????????? 0 -
Maidentl, I clearly stated that there would be a temporary decrease in rate of weight loss.
I think now, finally, you and I are saying the same thing too, just using different words.
Jelly, please don't have this thread closed also. Well, if you do, I will just do an addendum thread on if my weight loss DOES or DOES NOT slow down or not, based on my meal that fits into my CICO and budgeted daily calories.0 -
Well, your first mistake is assuming the scale doesn't lie.
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