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nancyjay__

Parkercomom wrote: »

The bickering on this site gets old quickly. Don't we all have the same goal...to lose weight? Just because someone may have a different opinion does not mean they should be ridiculed. I don't think even the experts agree...so why don't we all agree that none of us are experts on healthy eating. If we were, would we really need this site??

We are all not here for the same reason. And when it comes down to science a different opinion turns into incorrect information that is being passed along. People who debate and go back and forth are trying to keep this site from being another bs unreliable site and you don't have to be an expert to know most of the things discussed. So far they have helped me a lot and I'd like to believe that by not sugar coating things stupid myths are being busted and people are learning the truth and not wasting their money on detox teas or wraps. Plus healthy and weight loss are two different things. And some people can't afford an expert nutritionist. Why come to this site? Because of the passionate people people and well discussed topics. People don't get away with just an answer here if it's not backed up by logic and science someone will correct you and if I can't have an expert opinion why not have 20-30 people discuss it for me and come up with an educated well discussed answer

Sued0nim

nancyjay__ wrote: »

Parkercomom wrote: »

The bickering on this site gets old quickly. Don't we all have the same goal...to lose weight? Just because someone may have a different opinion does not mean they should be ridiculed. I don't think even the experts agree...so why don't we all agree that none of us are experts on healthy eating. If we were, would we really need this site??

We are all not here for the same reason. And when it comes down to science a different opinion turns into incorrect information that is being passed along. People who debate and go back and forth are trying to keep this site from being another bs unreliable site and you don't have to be an expert to know most of the things discussed. So far they have helped me a lot and I'd like to believe that by not sugar coating things stupid myths are being busted and people are learning the truth and not wasting their money on detox teas or wraps. Plus healthy and weight loss are two different things. And some people can't afford an expert nutritionist. Why come to this site? Because of the passionate people people and well discussed topics. People don't get away with just an answer here if it's not backed up by logic and science someone will correct you and if I can't have an expert opinion why not have 20-30 people discuss it for me and come up with an educated well discussed answer

donjtomasco

This mornings weight, 190.2, up 3.4 pounds from Thursday, 3.0 pounds higher then 7 days ago. I think I clearly proved my little point with jelly, maid and runner. For me, eating white bread, starches, french fries, and fried food caused my weight to go up, substantially (for me). But boy was the food good and fun. And it fit inside my daily calorie goal.

So call it what you want, I ate what I wanted, I ate within my calorie goals, and my weight went up. Period. But this is just me.

Oh and by the way, weight going up is even worse then weight not going down as fast. This was a complete reversal. And no, I am not going to mix it up with potato chips, cake, gummy wraps, and tortilla's today. For me I know what the results will be.

Cardio4Cupcakes

I love bread. I like wraps more though.

donjtomasco

Me too. Yesterday was very fun.

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janejellyroll

donjtomasco wrote: »

This mornings weight, 190.2, up 3.4 pounds from Thursday, 3.0 pounds higher then 7 days ago. I think I clearly proved my little point with jelly, maid and runner. For me, eating white bread, starches, french fries, and fried food caused my weight to go up, substantially (for me). But boy was the food good and fun.

The foods you gorged yourself on were high in sodium. Temporary water retention after eating meals high in sodium is a well-established phenomenon and has nothing to do with bread stalling weight loss. Your advice is still faulty. I am sorry to hear you backtracking and repeating it.

I ate bread yesterday and I hit a new low weight this morning. Of course, I understand that weight loss isn't about eating one food or eliminating a food.

maidentl

You didn't prove anything, Don. We all told you that your weight would be up and that it's water weight and temporary. You either like to argue (my guess) or you're being deliberately obtuse because yesterday you pretended that you understood and now you're claiming otherwise. You didn't just add a slice of bread to your day yesterday to see this dramatic gain. You ate a crapload of salty foods but want to blame the bread. Whatever floats your boat, but hopefully those following along at home realize that eliminating bread from the diet isn't necessary.

donjtomasco

The question was whether eating bread and fun foods and keeping it within my calorie goals would slow down my weight loss. That was the only question. The answer was not only yes, it slows mine down (not yours M2M, not Jellys, not Maids, not Runners, just mine), but I gained weight.

Twist it all you want. I could do this for another day, having some pastry for breakfast, a hamburger for lunch with some veggies, maybe some chips for snack, and some ice cream with my dinner, and keep it all within my calorie goals. But I don't need to prove to you people what I know these foods do to me.

So back to work eating the right foods. But yesterday was a fun experiment.

janejellyroll

donjtomasco wrote: »

The question was whether eating bread and fun foods and keeping it within my calorie goals would slow down my weight loss. That was the only question.

The question was whether you were correct to tell OP that bread stalls weight loss.

Your poor reading comprehension has taken yet another thread off track.

Bread does not stall weight loss. Gorging yourself on high sodium fried foods, pie, and crackers spread with ketchup may well result in temporary water retention, even if eaten within calorie goals. I, along with others, pointed this out yesterday.

This has nothing to do with bread.

3bambi3

donjtomasco wrote: »

The question was whether eating bread and fun foods and keeping it within my calorie goals would slow down my weight loss. That was the only question. The answer was not only yes, it slows mine down (not yours M2M, not Jellys, not Maids, not Runners, just mine), but I gained weight.

Twist it all you want. I could do this for another day, having some pastry for breakfast, a hamburger for lunch with some veggies, maybe some chips for snack, and some ice cream with my dinner, and keep it all within my calorie goals. But I don't need to prove to you people what I know these foods do to me.

So back to work eating the right foods. But yesterday was a fun experiment.

Are you seriously as dense as this thread makes you out to be? You think that eating 2,700+ calories yesterday and 5,000+ grams of sodium proves your point? Seriously? Do you not understand what water retention is? Do you understand that one day of eating does not a trend make?

You know, I could do a "study" as well where I ate 2,000 calories of chicken and vegetables covered in 5,000+ grams of salt and, guess what, I would see a weight gain the next day. By your logic, I could then claim that chicken and vegetables cause a slow down in weight loss.

donjtomasco

I knew that the results from my little eating experiment would upset particularly you jelly. You said my weight would not be affected the next day, I said it would, and it was. Not even close. Now you are changing what you are saying, which is what you do.

3bambi3

donjtomasco wrote: »

I knew that the results from my little eating experiment would upset particularly you jelly. You said my weight would not be affected the next day, I said it would, and it was. Not even close. Now you are changing what you are saying, which is what you do.

Tell me, do you think you would have had the same results from your "experiment" if you were to eat one piece of bread yesterday instead of a carb-bonanza? Or do you just think that everyone who says that eating bread won't stall your weight loss eats like you did yesterday all day, every day?

donjtomasco

Bambi, you entered late and it is not in proper context for you. You are using logic like I was which does not work with some posters here. I was asked to prove a very simple point which I did yesterday.

donjtomasco

And yes my body is feeling quite s bit denser.

janejellyroll

donjtomasco wrote: »

I knew that the results from my little eating experiment would upset particularly you jelly. You said my weight would not be affected the next day, I said it would, and it was. Not even close. Now you are changing what you are saying, which is what you do.

I said that you would probably see a temporary weight increase, probably due to water retention caused by the sodium in your food. I'm not upset beyond a vague distress that people with your level of competence in science and logic are regularly participating in our democratic process.

janejellyroll

donjtomasco wrote: »

Bambi, you entered late and it is not in proper context for you. You are using logic like I was which does not work with some posters here. I was asked to prove a very simple point which I did yesterday.

She has exactly the right context. You said that bread stalled weight loss and then you gorged yourself on sodium to "prove" what you said about bread. By the way, nobody ever asked you to prove anything.

You took it on yourself to eat all that food even after I pointed out that a "study" cannot be done with a single participant.

maidentl

Bambi can enter whenever she likes. You don't like it because she thinks you're wrong, too. You're not just a little wrong, you're epic levels of crazy wrong. You gained water weight. If you lost real weight in the past week, that meal did not wipe it out, it's just being masked by water weight. They're two different things and it doesn't matter how much you ignore that fact. Facts don't cease being facts just because you don't believe them.

janejellyroll

donjtomasco wrote: »

And yes my body is feeling quite s bit denser.

Mmm, I think we can agree on your level of density.

donjtomasco

And name calling is the next level that people go to, and you are doing a good job of name calling. It just shows that you can't be open to other people being correct about something.

And you think I would do this experiment for you? Wow, narcissistic to the hilt. No, I have kept reading posters and comments about what I thought to be true with me regarding bread and startches, and elected to prove to myself myself yesterday whether I was being sucked into a different line of thinking in some of these forums.

I merely proved what happens to my body when I add bread and starches and fried foods. Not to your body, to mine.

melimomTARDIS

i love bread, and my sensory issues kid eats between 4 and 8 slices a day. bread is the staff of life, yo.

bunsen_honeydew

Eat better quality bread. Bread is tasty. Don't waste your calories on the cheap fluffy white rubbish.

Cardio4Cupcakes

What is this even about, I thought we were all just having happy bread thoughts.

janejellyroll

donjtomasco wrote: »

And name calling is the next level that people go to, and you are doing a good job of name calling. It just shows that you can't be open to other people being correct about something.

And you think I would do this experiment for you? Wow, narcissistic to the hilt. No, I have kept reading posters and comments about what I thought to be true with me regarding bread and startches, and elected to prove to myself myself yesterday whether I was being sucked into a different line of thinking in some of these forums.

I merely proved what happens to my body when I add bread and starches and fried foods. Not to your body, to mine.

I'm very open to other people being correct. As soon as you are correct about something, I will acknowledge it. I didn't say you ate that food for me -- please try to respond to what I actually write instead of what you imagine that I wrote. You said you were asked to prove a point -- I was simply saying that nobody asked you to run a poorly designed experiment on yourself.

What you actually established is what happens when you gorge yourself on foods with a high sodium level. @maidentl and I both predicted, yesterday, that you would see a temporary water weight gain today.

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3bambi3

donjtomasco wrote: »

Bambi, you entered late and it is not in proper context for you. You are using logic like I was which does not work with some posters here. I was asked to prove a very simple point which I did yesterday.

Entering late doesn't mean I am unable to read previous posts, and I did. Pretty sure I understand what's going on in this thread.

On one front though, you and I are in total agreement: logic doesn't work with some posters here. I am quite sure, however, that we aren't thinking of the same posters...

Machka9

bunsen_honeydew wrote: »

Eat better quality bread. Bread is tasty. Don't waste your calories on the cheap fluffy white rubbish.

Yes! And nevermind the cheap fluffy white rubbish, we were eating cheap bland wholemeal bread ... so boring. Plus it would suddenly go moldy when we were halfway through a loaf.

A little over a year ago, we decided to try some better quality bread, and what a difference!!

I'm looking forward to toast for breakfast tomorrow.

maidentl

If you think it's true for you, that's cool, just stop telling other people junk like this:

donjtomasco wrote: »

I think bread slows down the speed of weight loss, but once you absorb that blip in weight loss time, you will get back to a normal time of losing weight. Conversely, if you drop the bread you might see a larger amount of weight come off. Especially white bread.

Machka9

Cardio4Cupcakes wrote: »

What is this even about, I thought we were all just having happy bread thoughts.

Most of us are ... I think.

Bread does indeed spark happy thoughts.