Bread??
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greenlizard72 wrote: »It would be great if some people that have good information to spare wouldn't sprinkle it with derogatory comments, but that seems to be the nature of public forums. I take the good stuff no matter where it comes from and ignore bad stuff.
This is a fair point, IMO, and I try to do the same.0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »well, not the last one, the long one just before.
and yes, she did say that, maybe not "word for word" but it is what she said and meant. but i guess we all interpret and hear what we want and need to interpret and hear. which is why i try to find out as close to possible exactly what someone is trying to say before i disagree with them. otherwise, why disagree with a bunch of grey area and vagueness. I got a very simple answer from her and my results proved me correct and her not correct, "JUST" on that one point, and NOT on any global scale. Don't over judge and over analyse and globalize a very simple thing that I have done. It was very concise and precise and I clearly proved "JUST ONE POINT" whether anyone agrees with the point or not, or whether anyone thinks my "PERSONAL" experiment yesterday was "DENSE" or "STUPID" or whatever adjective has been chosen to call me.
I don't think I can be any clearer without getting this down to a sub kindergarden level. It was not and is not scientific. It was just a personal experiment to test what would happen if I ate bread, fried food, and other food that I have excluded in order to lose weight since January 1. It proved that for me these foods need to be avoided. It does not mean that you or anyone else can't lose any amount of weight eating some of these foods, or ALL of these foods, I am sure some of you can. And it is a personal choice. Eating these foods at the "LEAST" slowed down my weight loss (which was the simple question posed to me), and at most "ADDED" weight. Whether it was water retention or pieces of fried oyster stuck in my digestive track along with the hot dog and popcorn and fried okra, or anything else, my weight was negatively affected. The other poster said my weight would NOT be negatively affected.
Only after I have proven that "FOR ME" my weight was negatively affected, now there is the addition of "Well, it is water retention due to sodium". YES, NO KIDDIING!!! Genius comeback with that.
Was my "WEIGHT" affected by the food I ate yesterday, within my daily calorie goals? YES. It is that simple. You can make it as complicated as you want to make yourself feel better. And that is fine with me. We are all here to discuss, learn, read, express opinions and debate it all, like some of you have so astutely commented to. And I think that this is simply all that is being done.
You didn't prove anything you think you proved. What you did prove is that you don't know how human bodies works.
And again, do you think you would have seen the same results eating only a piece or two of bread yesterday instead of a whole day of fried, breaded and salty foods? I've asked three times now.0 -
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My trainer suggested pumpernickel or sourdough. Manly isn't it about portion control and will power?0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »greenlizard72 wrote: »It would be great if some people that have good information to spare wouldn't sprinkle it with derogatory comments, but that seems to be the nature of public forums. I take the good stuff no matter where it comes from and ignore bad stuff.
This is a fair point, IMO, and I try to do the same.
I do try to stay civil, but you have to admit, even a saint would lose his patience with this thread. :laugh:
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I don't believe all calories are created equal. But having said that I think that I would rather use something like swedish crisp bread for a lower count and a different carb level and use my calories more effectively for something more satisfying.0
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Eat the bread and enjoy. I miss bread as i have coeliac disease.0
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Maid, it was only after I said I would do this that others started complicating the issue, like they were somehow worried that I might actually prove my point to be correct. Go back and read the thread and you will see the timeline and how the positions changed once I said I would do exactly what I was told would produce NO weight fluxuations, since it is all about CICO and has nothing to do about WHAT YOU EAT. Sorry, you are you speaking without checking your facts, once again. If you are going to nitpic, then please accurately nitpic. This is exactly why I wanted to weed out all the grey area and find out exactly what the opinion was and prediction was about what my body would do and how it would perform. Pretty assumptive that people think that they know so much including how MY BODY will react to food eating behavior. This is called narcissism. I will call it what it is.0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Maid, it was only after I said I would do this that others started complicating the issue, like they were somehow worried that I might actually prove my point to be correct. Go back and read the thread and you will see the timeline and how the positions changed once I said I would do exactly what I was told would produce NO weight fluxuations, since it is all about CICO and has nothing to do about WHAT YOU EAT. Sorry, you are you speaking without checking your facts, once again. If you are going to nitpic, then please accurately nitpic. This is exactly why I wanted to weed out all the grey area and find out exactly what the opinion was and prediction was about what my body would do and how it would perform. Pretty assumptive that people think that they know so much including how MY BODY will react to food eating behavior. This is called narcissism. I will call it what it is.
Nobody was ever worried that your poorly designed "study" would prove your point. As another person observed above, the only thing established is your faulty understanding of how the human body works.0 -
I very rarely eat bread because for me it's not worth the calories and doesn't keep me full. However, I do use 70 calorie wraps and sometimes use the rounds for sandwiches. BUT if you like bread you should have it.0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Maid, it was only after I said I would do this that others started complicating the issue, like they were somehow worried that I might actually prove my point to be correct. Go back and read the thread and you will see the timeline and how the positions changed once I said I would do exactly what I was told would produce NO weight fluxuations, since it is all about CICO and has nothing to do about WHAT YOU EAT. Sorry, you are you speaking without checking your facts, once again. If you are going to nitpic, then please accurately nitpic. This is exactly why I wanted to weed out all the grey area and find out exactly what the opinion was and prediction was about what my body would do and how it would perform. Pretty assumptive that people think that they know so much including how MY BODY will react to food eating behavior. This is called narcissism. I will call it what it is.
No one ever said you would not have weight fluctuations. That absolutely did not happen. If you think it did, show it to us. Because I can show you at least three examples of people telling you that you would show a gain in water weight today. We all have weight fluctuations, it is how the human body works. It is actually extremely simple and no one is complicating this except you.0 -
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jelly, you are so wrong. you said my weight would NOT be affected. you only changed you comments after i layed out my experiment for lunch. you are quite a piece of work. and so is your sister maidentl. quite delusional.-4
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Pretty amusing thread. A man starts a "1 day study" that people from the beginning say is a flawed method" in order to prove something no one actually said. Then gets results and he claims people are upset about because it proved him right and what they said was wrong, but proven wrong about something they never said, just what he interprets, which makes no sense. In the end the study was great because it showed the man doesn't understand science. Or humor because somehow he believes calling me M2M funny somehow. M2M understands science and feels sorry for the man that put tons of work into a 1 day study to prove nothing to anyone.
THIS, Yes.0 -
katcarter55 wrote: »I don't believe all calories are created equal. But having said that I think that I would rather use something like swedish crisp bread for a lower count and a different carb level and use my calories more effectively for something more satisfying.
crisp bread is actually higher in calories than toast if you get the same weight of it.0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »jelly, you are so wrong. you said my weight would NOT be affected. you only changed you comments after i layed out my experiment for lunch. you are quite a piece of work. and so is your sister maidentl. quite delusional.
I said that bread consumption would not cause a stall in weight loss. That you cannot understand the difference between a stall in weight loss and a temporary water weight gain due to gorging on high sodium foods was not something a reasonable person could anticipate.
The only delusions displayed on this thread are your own. Once again, a thread has been hijacked by your inability or unwillingness to understand what others are saying.
I apologize that I didn't specify what I thought was clear: bread consumption, as part of a balanced diet, will not stall weight loss. It will not override your body's ability to burn energy. But binging on fried foods that are high in sodium and including bread as part of that meal may well result in temporary water weight gain.
I can't believe that some people needed that spelled out. But maybe this will end the confusion. I'll remember to break down the obvious for you in the future so you can avoid binges.0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »jelly, you are so wrong. you said my weight would NOT be affected. you only changed you comments after i layed out my experiment for lunch. you are quite a piece of work. and so is your sister maidentl. quite delusional.
Nope. They said that your weight would not be affected in the long term, and this is true.
Who is delusional here? The people who think that eating bread will not affect weight loss when taken in the context of your overall diet, or the person who bases their dietary decisions on the results of one day of eating?
And I'm still waiting for answers to my question.0 -
I am low carb (under 100 net most days.... but not today!) and I often have a slice of whole wheat bread for breakfast with cream cheese. I'm fine with it. However if I start my day with a donut (ahem, I did today!) or croissant, muffin, etc and so forth, I find that my days only go downhill from there. Each person has to determine for themselves what are their trigger foods: I can eat a Tbsp of peanut butter and stop there, happily but I have coworkers who will sit and eat the whole jar (ok, only half a cup - but really!) and I can eat 2 Tbsp of icecream but sit me in front of a fresh loaf of sourdough and that sucker is demolished!0
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donjtomasco wrote: »jelly, you are so wrong. you said my weight would NOT be affected. you only changed you comments after i layed out my experiment for lunch. you are quite a piece of work. and so is your sister maidentl. quite delusional.
Nope. They said that your weight would not be affected in the long term, and this is true.
Who is delusional here? The people who think that eating bread will not affect weight loss when taken in the context of your overall diet, or the person who bases their dietary decisions on the results of one day of eating?
And I'm still waiting for answers to my question.
Somehow, I doubt you'll ever receive that answer.0 -
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lemurcat12 wrote: »greenlizard72 wrote: »It would be great if some people that have good information to spare wouldn't sprinkle it with derogatory comments, but that seems to be the nature of public forums. I take the good stuff no matter where it comes from and ignore bad stuff.
This is a fair point, IMO, and I try to do the same.
I do try to stay civil, but you have to admit, even a saint would lose his patience with this thread. :laugh:
That's true too!0 -
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OK, really? Now you're just making things up. You were told multiple times yesterday before you weighed in this morning that your weight would be up due to water retention. It's absolutely ludicrous to say it was only claimed after the fact. It's right here in black and white, date and time stamped even. Come on! You never once acknowledged that any other element in your meal would contribute to this "weight gain." You have stated repeatedly that it's the bread. Your actual weight was not affected, you're just holding on to water and holding on to the mistaken belief that this has slowed you down somehow.
I would agree with this.0 -
greenlizard72 wrote: »psulemon
No, I did not know protein spiked insulin, but I did know about insulin contributing to the fullness feeling, along with leptin. I'll read that article today. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE good bread. The tastes and the amazing ability to hold delicious foods in the form of a sandwich or hamburger. I just choose to spend my calories on things I feel are more valuable. It's not 100% or die though. If I am forced to have bread because of location or situation, I'll eat and be happy. It's happened a couple times like at my daughter's hockey games. I don't think bread is poison!
And thanks for the graphic. Charts and graphs rock!
And that is fine. Anything that can help you succeed is what is important. For me, bread is in most of my days but i haven't had pasta in a year or two. Not because its bad but when given a choice between pasta or meat, meat always wins.0 -
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For me it is almost worthless because it does not feel me up so why should I eat it. Unless it is french bread. Then it tastes great, but other than that I would rather get my calories from something that feels me up.0
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